Is a grand am worth modifying.

[chuckclose1]

Originally Posted by Nick-G

It won't happen. Why spend nearly twice as much money just to have two when you will get the same results with just one?

that dont mean someone wont do it

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

that dont mean someone wont do it

Ill laugh at them when they do it.

[chuckclose1]

Originally Posted by Nick-G

Ill laugh at them when they do it.

i wont. i know several people in the balt/ dc area that have upgraded from one to two turbos in some of the ricers around here and they all saw some pretty good gains. so im not so sure if the right person does it that it cant be benificial.

so i look foward to seeing it fail or not

[boost21]

Where would you plan on running the piping? Why do most supra people "upgrade" from twins to a single turbo?

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

i wont. i know several people in the balt/ dc area that have upgraded from one to two turbos in some of the ricers around here and they all saw some pretty good gains. so im not so sure if the right person does it that it cant be benificial.

so i look foward to seeing it fail or not

It will fail the cost majorly outweighs the benefits it's simply not an ideal setup for these cars.

[Mike Jung]

Is there a difference from Dual Turbo's & Twin Turbo's ?

Because, just because you have 2 turbos doesn't mean you have Twin Turbos (?).

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

I won't even go into how stupid this post is. Lets just say I can contradict every single thing you are complaining about. There isn't a logical statistically backed up thing to anything you've said.

[2000 GT Coupe]

My thoughts on the dual turbo's if you do a compound set up, rather then 2 singles feeding each engine side one turbo feeding the other, a smaller one that spools quicker feeding a larger one so you have more boost faster and it can still run into the higher rpm that would take care of the normal problems wouldn't it?

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by 2000 GT Coupe

My thoughts on the dual turbo's if you do a compound set up, rather then 2 singles feeding each engine side one turbo feeding the other, a smaller one that spools quicker feeding a larger one so you have more boost faster and it can still run into the higher rpm that would take care of the normal problems wouldn't it?

The only problems with running two turbochargers instead of one is

1) Their is hardly enough space to make it work if their even is enough space.
2) Like said before it's expensive as hell to do
3) It won't do anything... sure you would have less lag if only single turbo setups had problems with lag...

One turbo with the right specs will perform just as well if not better.

[2000 GT Coupe]

I understand about the room, and that is probably the biggest factor in my opinion.
I know that dual and even quad turbos will get you impressive #'s but the problem is getting the setup right.
I read about a 3/4 ton doge cummins that does the 1/4 in 7 seconds he has over 60lbs of boost from idle to redline.

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by 2000 GT Coupe

I know that dual and even quad turbos will get you impressive #'s but the problem is getting the setup right.

What i'm getting at here is that yes they will get you impressive numbers but a single turbo will get you the same numbers and it will be more cost effective and easier to do.

These cars just don't need twin turbo's.

[kse73]

Originally Posted by AleroB888

"Had I known then what I know now" is one of the main reasons for this website, but if you don't have the competitive, willing to take a risk spirit to begin with, you are missing the main point, and shouldn't be modding anything -- GTOs, Blazers, whatever -- it's what can you do that's creative, and better compared to the same model car.
If you are starting out with the notion that "I have to have a 12 second car," and don't have the patience, by all means, plunk down the cash in advance for one.



I also modded my first car, a '55 Ford, when all the other teenagers wanted '55 Chevys or Mustangs. It was a graduation present, and cost $250.00. I probably spent about 500 dollars modding it, amateur body work, three-2-barrel intake, etc., and had fun and actually learned something from it.

Then I got a '65 442, when everybody said, "Whut's that, ya shoulda got a Super Bee." I could have, didn't want to. So that got modded as well, and was a sleeper for back then.

Could I have spent less money in the process? Maybe. But I wouldn't really do it much differently if I had it to do over.

And look at it this way -- if you buy a GTO, you almost HAVE to mod it....

or you just might wind up getting beat by a GrandAm.

The 5 Grand Ams that can break into the 12s? Yea, wouldn't want to meet them.

As for the rest of the post, I'm not really sure why you're directing your comments towards me. You feel the way you do about your experience with cars and I feel the way I do about mine. It doesn't make your thoughts on modding any more valid than mine.

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by kse73

The 5 Grand Ams that can break into the 12s? Yea, wouldn't want to meet them.

As for the rest of the post, I'm not really sure why you're directing your comments towards me. You feel the way you do about your experience with cars and I feel the way I do about mine. It doesn't make your thoughts on modding any more valid than mine.

Because your whole atitude is "Yeah, I modded my GrandAm, but I wasn't so smart back then."

Something is either valid or invalid, but it is stupid to start arguing that "12's aren't FAST, 11's are FAST... "No, 9's are FAST," etc. etc. That's why there are different classes in racing. And if FAST is your only reason for modding, just buy an 11 second car.

[kse73]

Originally Posted by AleroB888

Because your whole atitude is "Yeah, I modded my GrandAm, but I wasn't so smart back then."

Something is either valid or invalid, but it is stupid to start arguing that "12's aren't FAST, 11's are FAST... "No, 9's are FAST," etc. etc. That's why there are different classes in racing. And if FAST is your only reason for modding, just buy an 11 second car.

If I had known that thousands in go fast parts would end up as they did for my car, I wouldn't have done it. I spent whole summers saving up for the mods that didn't do a whole lot for the car. And no, I wasn't so smart back then. The Grand Am was NOT an ideal car to mod. I still don't know why you're preaching to me. It was my experience and my opinion. No need to keep flappin the gums.

[kse73]

And like I said earlier in the thread..... the GA was all I had so I made due. I don't look down on people for choosing to mod a Grand Am. I may look down on them if they do so in poor taste, but that is still up to them. My views embody my personal experience and feelings regarding the modding of my car. I did make it MY car and it looked damn good (if I do say so myself). BUT if I had to do it all over again, I would have done it differently. If that upsets you, I'm sorry. It is just the way it is.

[cardude007617]

the making due point is good.

whats your gto run btw?

[kse73]

Originally Posted by cardude007617

the making due point is good.

whats your gto run btw?

Best so far is a 12.8 on 235 summer tires and a 2.2 60' . I SHOULD be low 12's but I haven't come near them yet. I haven't made any runs with the proper rubber either. Once I learn how to drive and cut the 60's down, I'll get there eventually.

[cardude007617]

shoulda gotton automatic then..... jk

[kse73]

Originally Posted by cardude007617

shoulda gotton automatic then..... jk

I DID! Thats the sad part, . I only have 12 passes under my belt and can't help but spin the **** out of my tires. In my defense, 235's were WAY too small to propel the amount of power I have (which isn't that much....but rubber is our friend)

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by kse73

If I had known that thousands in go fast parts would end up as they did for my car, I wouldn't have done it. I spent whole summers saving up for the mods that didn't do a whole lot for the car. And no, I wasn't so smart back then.

Yeah, you are right, that wasn't so smart. But one issue is if less money could have been spent on better mods.

Originally Posted by kse73

The Grand Am was NOT an ideal car to mod. I still don't know why you're preaching to me. It was my experience and my opinion.

I am just replying to your posts. What is an ideal car to mod? One where you can knock 3 seconds off the baseline E.T? Or room to upgrade appearance / accessories?

Originally Posted by kse73

I don't look down on people for choosing to mod a Grand Am. I may look down on them if they do so in poor taste, but that is still up to them. My views embody my personal experience and feelings regarding the modding of my car. I did make it MY car and it looked damn good (if I do say so myself).

That sounds a lot better. But it....just....wasn't....FAST.