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Old 02-15-2010, 02:25 PM   #1
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Question 3400 to 3800 swap

Does anybody know if it's possible to drop a 3.8 s/c into a 2002 Grand Am? If so, what needs to be done to make it function like a 3.8 and not a typical garbage 3.4? I have heard so many different comments and ideas, I can't even understand whether this swap is actually possible.

If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated

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Old 02-15-2010, 02:28 PM   #2
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its possible. use the search button. top right corner. has been brought up several times. most responses will be that its pointless to even bother.
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Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

Why cant newbs use the Search button?

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Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

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Old 02-15-2010, 03:02 PM   #5
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:05 PM   #6
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Why would you want to swap in a boat anchor?

Why do the newbs start these threads every week?

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IBTL.

i used the SEARCH button....in the posts there still isnt a straight answer.
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:06 PM   #7
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still get the back and forth answers im trying to sort out to get my mind made up
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:08 PM   #8
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Yes it has been done, but you will be basically swapping the whole front end and I don't just mean the motor. By the time you finish you would have spent alot of time and money. If I had the money I would go with Milzys' stage 2 kit, also on Mikes site he is selling crate engines built the way you want. Here is the link http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...=MMS_Crate3400

I'm not in any way telling you not to do the swap, but I find it would be easier to do the Milzy crate motor built to your liking.
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the point is, anything is possible with enough time and money... and yes, it has been done, but the fabrication and effort it would take to get it to bolt up and properly work really are not worth it. You'd be better off supercharging the 3.4, turbo charging the I4, or just starting with a whole new project all together depending on how fast you wanna go.
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OK, hows this.

The only sucessful swap had to use the two PCM's in tandem so youll have a whole wiring harness nightmare on your hands. The guy who did this said that it took him a year to get the car to even run. Im sure you dont have that kind of time on your hands nor the experience if you have to come in and ask if its possible.

If you do it youll be a pioneer, nobody is going to hold your hand along the way. Thats the harsh reality and why everyone gets pissy when this question gets asked over and over because the answer is always the same.


The 3400 is capable of out-performing the 3800 with FAR less work with a turbocharger and some other engine upgrades.

Youll find information and parts on WOT-Tech and Milzys site. Just an FYI Mike takes foreeeeever to get things done, all of those kits have been 'in development' for a long time.
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:55 PM   #11
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straight answer. you want a 3800? buy a car with a 3800 already in it. dont waste your time doin a swap.
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Does anybody know if it's possible to drop a 3.8 s/c into a 2002 Grand Am? If so, what needs to be done to make it function like a 3.8 and not a typical garbage 3.4? I have heard so many different comments and ideas, I can't even understand whether this swap is actually possible.

If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

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Don't you mean the other way around? What needs to be done to make a garbage 3.8 function like the much better designed and more advanced 3.4?
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Don't you mean the other way around? What needs to be done to make a garbage 3.8 function like the much better designed and more advanced 3.4?
Seriously. My friend had a 99 GTP and, don't get me wrong it was fast and had power, but when that motor is in a boat like a Grand Prix its not that impressive. (Back in the 60s Dodge put 440s in Monacos and 383s Superbees. Doesn't mean a Monaco will outrun a Superbee.) That 3.8 wasn't that impressive anyway and if it ever came down to it, I don't think that Grand Prix would have been faster than my Grand AM.
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if you want a swap. go 3500 or go ecotec.
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While your at it why not make it rear engined RWD... that wouldn't be pointless either.
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