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Skinny Wolfe
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WOT-Tech intakes vs. MMS intakes
Does anyone know what the difference is or which intake is better between WOT-Tech's Competition ported combo upper and lower intake and Milzy Motorsports upper and lower intake's?
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When you add in the $10 to open up the tb opening, WOT-Tech charges $5 more than we do, and we include Genuine GM gaskets, not Felpro. I'm not sure if they also include gaskets for the EGR, but we do.
I notice you're from OH, so if you can, why not stop by our 7500 sq-ft shop in Dayton, OH and see for yourself what MMS is all about.
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WOT-Tech
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Genuine plastic lower intake gaskets. Not something I recommend. I offer the manifold set minus gaskets anyway (which include new lower intake bolts, how about yours Milzy?)
If you want the best performance, the comp series is it. If you want to save money, sportsman series is the best bang for your buck. If you want porting that doesn't compare to what WOT-Tech does, anyone else will do. |
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Nothing against either of you, as I know you both know where I stand, but I think the responses should be from members, not the shop owners.
Oh, and since when does gaskets and bolts have anything to do with how the part will perform? I'm sorry, but it seems like a reach to tell some that the parts come with XXX's gaskets, while not saying anything about the actual product. If I take a dremel to a UIM, and include GM gaskets and new bolts, does that make mine better than both of yours? OT - Member since 2007, and this is your 1st post? Crazy... /OT |
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lolGM
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I just remember who blew up a computer at the GA meet at Milzy's...
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g.i. dont you feel the love?
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lolGM
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WOT-Tech
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Actually that computer works now. My OBD2 tuning is still in the research phase. No one has paid me anything for the N body tuning. I paid for my mistake and made things right. When my OBD2 tuning is available, it will be the best possible tune I can offer.
My porting is based on years and years of experience. Many sets of heads and manifolds have been destroyed during R&D. I simply don't think it is fair to judge my company's products available for sale to an R&D mishap on an unrelated product. I don't think Milzy's rep based on releasing products vs what he says is coming soon really means anything in regards to his manifold set either. I don't think the OP is going to get anything useful in this thread, but wait and see. Id be happy to answer any questions that are asked of me. |
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And all that has been stated so far pertains to this question, how?
Buy both, do a non-biased comparison, post your results, and then get a refund for the set you don't want to keep. I can't guarantee that either company would be open to this, but it would be worth it to ask. Problem here is, everyone already has a preference, and will just bash the other company's product, so you will never know. |
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lolGM
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WOT-Tech
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But you made the comment for a reason, which is more important than saying names.
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lolGM
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It was just a comment. Anyone should understand that your computer tuning ability has just about nothing to do with your ability to make quality products, which I am sure you do regardless. As I said on GAOC, I'm looking into purchasing ported intakes from you in the near future and hope to make a good writeup on performance gains. With my proximity to Mike, I would wonder if he would be okay with lending me a pair to take to the track and compare (If your still reading Mike). Nothing is better than results to compare. |
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Skinny Wolfe
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You know I was not looking into getting people in a heated conversation I was just looking for a honest answer. Sorry if I started a uproar over this question. If someone has a decent answer please let me know. I just would like to do it once and not have to do it again.
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BlingWithBallz
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Either one is pretty good.
If you want comments from someone with personal experience... I have bought products from both companies. Cam from Milzy, ported lower intake and TB from WOT tech. For porting work I would go with WOT. Not that Milzy's stuff is bad or doesn't produce results. It's just that in order to really get the full benefit of porting, there can't be any guess work. You have to test flow with a flow bench and WOT tech has done extensive flow testing to develop their own parts, as well as testing several competitors products. WOT intakes flow the most, and cars with their products currently hold the highest NA hp and track times. If you're looking for the ultimate combo to extract every last hp, that is the way to go. On the other hand, if you just want a decent gain and don't want the trouble of installing them yourself, Milzy is probably pretty close to you and I'm sure he would take care of you and do a good install. Just depends on what you are looking for most.
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Skinny Wolfe
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Yeah I am looking for the most flow but also not looking to get anyone upset. I have gotten parts from Milzy before and have been very happy with them. I just didn't know if there was really a difference in them. Thanks for your response AaronGTR.
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GAGT - Senior Member
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I have seen both porting work side to side and I would have to say that the WOT Tech manifolds are like artwork compared to the MMS ported equivalent.
As far as I know Ben at WOT Tech ports his parts and has spent numerous hours and years behind the die grinder and flow bench, where Mike at MMS does not port his own parts and farms it out to another person.
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lolGM
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WOT-Tech
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Yeah, he got hired to work at MMS this year I believe.
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Let's see a flow test challenge, **which will never happen, IMO**, between the options. Then you'll know what suits you best dependent on your needs.
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