WOT-Tech intakes vs. MMS intakes

[slw240sx]

I was suggesting to milzy that you two do a challenge. offer up one setup from each company. they are both flow tested at an independant source, or flow tested with both parties present. The fact that you and milzy are not all that far away from each other a meet up should be easy enough. the loosing party pays for the flow bench and the set of intakes for the customer at the cost of the instakes not retail cover time and materials.

I think this would be a good way for both companies to garnish some reputation for being open and willing to go above and beyond for the customers of GAGT. The customer gets a nice setup for free and will help give either shop a nice word of mouth applause.

Think about it guys!


Jon

[Mac0083]

if mike and ben want to do the above testing face-off on their most aggressive cams, i'd volunteer my car.

but i think we all doubt any face-off will ever happen.


but a good idea though jon

"Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is" Flow Bench Face-Off 2010

[slw240sx]

If i did porting work i would do this kind of challenge in a heart beat. I love showing off my skills, but sadly this isn't in my bag of tricks. I have never even done a DIY port job.
in our little market niche we dont really worry about P&P on any parts, our gains are more worth wild by just adding a pound or two of boost. 3X00 motors it looks like you really have to open them up. Nissans and hondas both flow really well from the factory so gains are marginal and money is better spent on cam and turbo upgrades.

[Mac0083]

Originally Posted by slw240sx

...i would do this kind of challenge in a heart beat. I love showing off my skills...

i would too. i'm the same way.
if i'm not already the best at something, then i want to know how my opponent beat me. that's how i've learned lots of stuff.
when i win and later my opponent one-ups me, then i just get better and later i one-up them back.
i'm not afraid to share with somebody my trade secrets, because if they out do me, i'll just refine my stuff and in the end i have an even better product!

back and forth competition makes the race interesting (and more pure)

So... ( THEORETICALLY explaining why i think this would be a good thing for the g a community) assuming that ben's out-flow mike's, if mike then copied ben's design and made it just a bit better so he could have the bragging rights, then ben would have to refine that design even more to produce the superior product again.

in the end, the g a community gets even better flowing intakes than are available today. competition is a good thing for consumers. prices fall, and quality increases.

[gectek]

^ Wow, you know I have some witty retort to say to all of that, but honestly I do not believe you will understand it.

What you are talking about is NOT competition. Its fraud. Thank you, come again

[Mac0083]

Originally Posted by gectek

^ Wow, you know I have some witty retort to say to all of that, but honestly I do not believe you will understand it.

What you are talking about is NOT competition. Its fraud. Thank you, come again

go on bitch, try it.
it'll hone my skills...



there's a difference between copying an existing design and improving upon one

[Vegeta]

What do you do for a living? Can I copy your work and give it to a competitor so you have to do a better job?

[Mac0083]

i'm satisfied in saying that i have no competition. i have competitors. but no competition. go ahead.

Ben, if Mike began producing intakes that he could prove were flowing better than yours, how long would it take for you to rectify that???

[Vegeta]

How old are you?

[gectek]

If you "follow" someone elses design to get to where you are but you do not give them credit for it and try to pass it along as your own, then it is fraud. There is no bitch here, there is no bring it on. What are you fresh out of high school? Just because you know 2 of the larger N body performance shops owners names gives you no clout and nothing to stand on.

Im sure your "skills" would be no match for my keyboard sword.

heh i hate nose hairs too..

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by HOYS

Wrong, MMS intake porting is done in house.

didn't used to be. I know for a fact when he first started offering ported heads and manifolds they where done by another shop. Mani's might be done in house now... don't know about heads.

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

Let's see a flow test challenge, **which will never happen, IMO**, between the options. Then you'll know what suits you best dependent on your needs.

Well, Ben has already done a flow test comparison between both their cylinder heads. Not sure about intake manifolds, but considering the last results and the fact he uses a flow bench and Milzy does not, I think the results would be pretty obvious.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by slw240sx

If i did porting work i would do this kind of challenge in a heart beat. I love showing off my skills, but sadly this isn't in my bag of tricks. I have never even done a DIY port job.
in our little market niche we dont really worry about P&P on any parts, our gains are more worth wild by just adding a pound or two of boost. 3X00 motors it looks like you really have to open them up. Nissans and hondas both flow really well from the factory so gains are marginal and money is better spent on cam and turbo upgrades.

Only too true my friend. GM has made substantial improvements to the port and runner designs over the years, but the bottom line is it is not a high rpm high flow engine. It is still a pushrod v6 with 2 valves per cylinder. As far as head flow goes, it can't really compete with a DOHC 4 valve head 4 cylinder for flow volume or efficiency. It can still opened up a bit, and of course adding boost pressure can help it out a lot too, but there is still a limit to how much it will flow.

[Mac0083]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

How old are you?

you're asking ME?

look at your avatar

j/k man, dragon ball z for life!

Originally Posted by Mac0083

Ben, if Mike began producing intakes that he could prove were flowing better than yours, how long would it take for you to rectify that???

but you didn't answer my Question

[Vegeta]

Your question is absurd, much like your belief that stealing my work is a viable solution to increase competition.

[Mac0083]

Originally Posted by Mac0083

Ben, if Mike began producing intakes that he could prove were flowing better than yours, how long would it take for you to rectify that???

Originally Posted by Vegeta

Your question is absurd...

Absurd? why?
it's absurd only because you think...
a) milzy could never produce better intakes than you, or
b) ?


if a) is the correct answer, then you have a lot of confidence in your skill/craft/trade. and if you have too much confidence in yourself, occaisionally you'll say stupid things like i did earlier.

[Vegeta]

How long would it take for me to "rectify" that. 5 decades.

[stewartfn18]

this thread wwent downhill fast, theres only a few people that are making viable and relevant posts

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Only too true my friend. GM has made substantial improvements to the port and runner designs over the years, but the bottom line is it is not a high rpm high flow engine. It is still a pushrod v6 with 2 valves per cylinder. As far as head flow goes, it can't really compete with a DOHC 4 valve head 4 cylinder for flow volume or efficiency. It can still opened up a bit, and of course adding boost pressure can help it out a lot too, but there is still a limit to how much it will flow.

and that's why I snapped everybody off a few years ago w/ a crappily built up quad.

[bigstribs]

^---Oh Snap

Either way you look at it your question will never get resolved here! Get both throw them on your car and go to the dyno poof then sell the other set. The arguements and petty BS argueing will never stop and you'll never get an answer!