My 3400/3500 Build - Page 3

blckgagt · 05-14-2011, 09:53 PM

Id be curious to see some before and after dyno results given that you had a dyno done before the build of course. Always wondered how much you could benefit from this.

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-14-2011, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blckgagt

Id be curious to see some before and after dyno results given that you had a dyno done before the build of course. Always wondered how much you could benefit from this.

To drive and pay for a dyno where Im at would have been around $250...

I AM going to get a post-build Dyno soon. Would have been nice to see the Gain from the comp upper and lower, with magnaflow cat and muffler. its not too much but numbers would have showed

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-16-2011, 10:04 AM

I drive to Stockton yesterday, Its just about 300 miles round trip, Half freeway driving, half hill driving.
I wouldn't say I was really easy nor hard on the throttle, But I didnt have to fuel up on the way home! I made it all 300 miles on a fill-up.
About 5 minutes before we got home my gas light come on.
So Id say 2-4 MPG improvement on first tank of gas.

Before I was averaging about 250-270 miles a tank.

blckgagt · 05-16-2011, 10:10 AM

Nice man....I was getting about 240-260 per tank on mine before all the work was done. 2-4mpg is a size-able improvement. I'm kind of curious to see what mine will be getting...

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02GT_SkyHigh · 05-16-2011, 11:58 AM

I noticed that the car has to search less for power when I need it,
and the higher RPM's are way smoother. Maybe cause of the heads alone or cause of the TCE lifter springs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blckgagt

Nice man....I was getting about 240-260 per tank on mine before all the work was done. 2-4mpg is a size-able improvement. I'm kind of curious to see what mine will be getting...

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Nice! Before I just had the ported upper and lower.
Lol
In or out of boost?

Conflagrations by the way. 400Hp is incredible I bet!

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-16-2011, 02:14 PM

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-21-2011, 10:58 PM

Minor problem, stupid mistake, but plenty fixable.
I have a small oil leak right at the ridge of the block on BOTH sides.....

So apparently even though the 3500 gasket set has the new ridge gasket. I drilled for it and installed it properly.
I FAILED to put RTV silicone at the edge of the ridge gasket against the heads.
I plan on tearing down in the next 3 days to fixxxxx... Whoo...

AaronGTR · 05-22-2011, 07:04 AM

Yep, you still need to put a little bit of rtv in the corners where the gaskets meet. Actually I still recommend putting a thin layer on both sides of the middle gasket just to be safe, but that may be overkill.

blckgagt · 05-22-2011, 08:52 AM

Better safe than sorry.

O1GAGT · 05-22-2011, 09:28 AM

I always put a thin line of RTV down the middle of the orange valley gasket and never had a problem.

I feel for you man, it sucks tearing down something that you thought you had done and out of the way. I have been there on more than one occasion and it is frusterating. The good thing is, I bet it will never happen again in another build. We live and we learn!

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-24-2011, 06:29 PM

I cant wait to get into it, It is the smallest leak, but now I choose where to park cause I dont want to have people tell me I have a leak. About a quarter size if it sits for like 8+ hrs. Every now and then a small drop gets on the exhaust also.
It is such an easy fix. But 2 hours or wrenching before putting it back together. Im guessing 5 hours, shooting for 4.

Ok I planned on doing it today, but instead of getting off early we called in more concrete. Were ahead on the job schedule now, but there is a 60% chance of rain tomorrow.
So this probably happening this weekend.

Some pics of what keeps me away from my car...

HOYS · 05-24-2011, 09:40 PM

Are you going to reuse the torque to yield bolts? Why did you drill holes in the block for the nubs instead of cutting them off? I try to keep all my metal shavings away from my lifter valley

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-25-2011, 09:49 AM

Drilling the ridge was no problem after Heli-coiling 3 rocker threads with the heads on the motor. -->Misfiring #3 After LIM swap
I actually cut about half the tabs off so I didnt have to drill 5/8" into my block. All the shavings from the block got caught on the magnetized drill bit.
I will clean and re-loctite all the LIM bolt threads, All the others should be ok.

HOYS · 05-25-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02GT_SkyHigh

Drilling the ridge was no problem after Heli-coiling 3 rocker threads with the heads on the motor. -->Misfiring #3 After LIM swap
I actually cut about half the tabs off so I didnt have to drill 5/8" into my block. All the shavings from the block got caught on the magnetized drill bit.
I will clean and re-loctite all the LIM bolt threads, All the others should be ok.

The bolts are torque once and done.

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-25-2011, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOYS

The bolts are torque once and done.

Head bolts, ya.
LIM bolts, if Im not supposed to, I guess when it breaks its another teardown

HOYS · 05-25-2011, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02GT_SkyHigh

Head bolts, ya.
LIM bolts, if Im not supposed to, I guess when it breaks its another teardown

LIM Bolts are as well. Thats why they sell replacements unlike UIM bolts.

AaronGTR · 05-25-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOYS

LIM Bolts are as well. Thats why they sell replacements unlike UIM bolts.

The new bolts are, but only because they come with a pre-applied loctite that doesn't work twice if you reinstall the bolts. They are not like the head bolts where after you torque them once they aren't good anymore.

I personally never use those new LIM bolts. I always clean and re-use the old bolts with new red loctite applied. Done my own LIM probably half a dozen times and probably half a dozen more on other peoples cars. Not a leak yet.

eckoxl · 05-27-2011, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

The new bolts are, but only because they come with a pre-applied loctite that doesn't work twice if you reinstall the bolts. They are not like the head bolts where after you torque them once they aren't good anymore.

I personally never use those new LIM bolts. I always clean and re-use the old bolts with new red loctite applied. Done my own LIM probably half a dozen times and probably half a dozen more on other peoples cars. Not a leak yet.

Yup, same. My LIM bolts are original from 1999.

02GT_SkyHigh · 05-27-2011, 10:24 PM

Going tomorrow to buy my girlfriend a 2000 malibu!
I has a 3100 and he just had all new gaskets put on! Im stoked.
I can put my old 3400 heads on it and vroom BABY!

...Maybe

05-14-2011, 09:39 PM	#41
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	__________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

05-14-2011, 09:53 PM	#42
blckgagt ~Turbocharged~ AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Age: 37 Posts: 1,265 Vehicle: 99 GAGT, 07 Vette	Id be curious to see some before and after dyno results given that you had a dyno done before the build of course. Always wondered how much you could benefit from this. __________________ 400whp 435wtq - MMS Race Block w/ 8.5:1 comp ratio, Eagle H-beam rods. MMS Stage 2 heads, Turbo Cam, chromemoly pushrods, GM gaskets. MMS 65 mm Turbo Kit w 60lb/hr injectors, Walbro fuel pump, powdercoated engine. MMS 3.29 4t65eHD conv., 3500 stall TC. Milzy headers w/ downpipe, magnaflow exhaust, FFP Pulley, f/r strut braces, Msd 8.5 SC wires, *** bodykit, Bilstein Coilovers. 17x8 AE 185s. Pioneer HU, B/A speakers. Baer brakes. Wot-tech engine mount. SB Rear Swaybar. ES Poly links

05-16-2011, 10:04 AM	#44
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	I drive to Stockton yesterday, Its just about 300 miles round trip, Half freeway driving, half hill driving. I wouldn't say I was really easy nor hard on the throttle, But I didnt have to fuel up on the way home! I made it all 300 miles on a fill-up. About 5 minutes before we got home my gas light come on. So Id say 2-4 MPG improvement on first tank of gas. Before I was averaging about 250-270 miles a tank. __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 05-16-2011 at 10:07 AM.

05-16-2011, 10:10 AM	#45
blckgagt ~Turbocharged~ AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Age: 37 Posts: 1,265 Vehicle: 99 GAGT, 07 Vette	Nice man....I was getting about 240-260 per tank on mine before all the work was done. 2-4mpg is a size-able improvement. I'm kind of curious to see what mine will be getting.... __________________ 400whp 435wtq - MMS Race Block w/ 8.5:1 comp ratio, Eagle H-beam rods. MMS Stage 2 heads, Turbo Cam, chromemoly pushrods, GM gaskets. MMS 65 mm Turbo Kit w 60lb/hr injectors, Walbro fuel pump, powdercoated engine. MMS 3.29 4t65eHD conv., 3500 stall TC. Milzy headers w/ downpipe, magnaflow exhaust, FFP Pulley, f/r strut braces, Msd 8.5 SC wires, *** bodykit, Bilstein Coilovers. 17x8 AE 185s. Pioneer HU, B/A speakers. Baer brakes. Wot-tech engine mount. SB Rear Swaybar. ES Poly links

05-16-2011, 02:14 PM	#47
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	__________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 05-21-2011 at 01:33 PM.

05-21-2011, 10:58 PM	#48
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Minor problem, stupid mistake, but plenty fixable. I have a small oil leak right at the ridge of the block on BOTH sides..... So apparently even though the 3500 gasket set has the new ridge gasket. I drilled for it and installed it properly. I FAILED to put RTV silicone at the edge of the ridge gasket against the heads. I plan on tearing down in the next 3 days to fixxxxx... Whoo... __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 05-22-2011 at 12:37 AM.

05-22-2011, 07:04 AM	#49
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Yep, you still need to put a little bit of rtv in the corners where the gaskets meet. Actually I still recommend putting a thin layer on both sides of the middle gasket just to be safe, but that may be overkill. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

05-22-2011, 08:52 AM	#50
blckgagt ~Turbocharged~ AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Age: 37 Posts: 1,265 Vehicle: 99 GAGT, 07 Vette	Better safe than sorry. __________________ 400whp 435wtq - MMS Race Block w/ 8.5:1 comp ratio, Eagle H-beam rods. MMS Stage 2 heads, Turbo Cam, chromemoly pushrods, GM gaskets. MMS 65 mm Turbo Kit w 60lb/hr injectors, Walbro fuel pump, powdercoated engine. MMS 3.29 4t65eHD conv., 3500 stall TC. Milzy headers w/ downpipe, magnaflow exhaust, FFP Pulley, f/r strut braces, Msd 8.5 SC wires, *** bodykit, Bilstein Coilovers. 17x8 AE 185s. Pioneer HU, B/A speakers. Baer brakes. Wot-tech engine mount. SB Rear Swaybar. ES Poly links

05-22-2011, 09:28 AM	#51
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	I always put a thin line of RTV down the middle of the orange valley gasket and never had a problem. I feel for you man, it sucks tearing down something that you thought you had done and out of the way. I have been there on more than one occasion and it is frusterating. The good thing is, I bet it will never happen again in another build. We live and we learn! __________________ "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

05-24-2011, 06:29 PM	#52
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	I cant wait to get into it, It is the smallest leak, but now I choose where to park cause I dont want to have people tell me I have a leak. About a quarter size if it sits for like 8+ hrs. Every now and then a small drop gets on the exhaust also. It is such an easy fix. But 2 hours or wrenching before putting it back together. Im guessing 5 hours, shooting for 4. Ok I planned on doing it today, but instead of getting off early we called in more concrete. Were ahead on the job schedule now, but there is a 60% chance of rain tomorrow. So this probably happening this weekend. Some pics of what keeps me away from my car... __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

05-24-2011, 09:40 PM	#53
HOYS lolGM AKA: Colin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,102 Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS	Are you going to reuse the torque to yield bolts? Why did you drill holes in the block for the nubs instead of cutting them off? I try to keep all my metal shavings away from my lifter valley

05-25-2011, 09:49 AM	#54
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Drilling the ridge was no problem after Heli-coiling 3 rocker threads with the heads on the motor. -->Misfiring #3 After LIM swap I actually cut about half the tabs off so I didnt have to drill 5/8" into my block. All the shavings from the block got caught on the magnetized drill bit. I will clean and re-loctite all the LIM bolt threads, All the others should be ok. __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 05-25-2011 at 09:56 AM.

05-27-2011, 10:24 PM	#60
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Going tomorrow to buy my girlfriend a 2000 malibu! I has a 3100 and he just had all new gaskets put on! Im stoked. I can put my old 3400 heads on it and vroom BABY! ...Maybe __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 05-28-2011 at 01:37 AM.

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