3500 swap Alero in the works...

[99Alero_Boy]

Originally Posted by 2003SCT

If you like Aleros, here is the nicest one ANYWHERE...only 14 miles.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Final...#ht_500wt_1182


CHRIS

Overpriced and has floated from dealership to dealership......I think the last time it was posted it was in Wisconsin.

[2003SCT]

Originally Posted by 99Alero_Boy

Overpriced and has floated from dealership to dealership......I think the last time it was posted it was in Wisconsin.

Yeah, it looks like they have a brand new Olds Intrigue as well. I would gather that the person who buys either of these is a very "specific" type of buyer. N-bodies, as are most regular vehicles, not exactly collectors items...even if the company has gone away.


CHRIS

[mfuller]

Originally Posted by 99Alero_Boy

Overpriced and has floated from dealership to dealership......I think the last time it was posted it was in Wisconsin.

Why do you say it's overpriced?
Even if it is 8 years old. with only 14 miles on the clock, it's pratically new.
With all due respect, prove me wrong by finding something else as nice for the same price.

[2003SCT]

Originally Posted by mfuller

Why do you say it's overpriced?
Even if it is 8 years old. with only 14 miles on the clock, it's pratically new.
With all due respect, prove me wrong by finding something else as nice for the same price.

I'm wondering what it will actually sell for. I guess its at $10K now with 15 bids so far....it would be one of those cars I would pick up if I won the lottery and had a warehouse to keep interesting cars. I would have it along side stuff like this.....a 1996 Impala SS with only 586 miles on it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-...ht_4914wt_1161

CHRIS

[billytheman1188]

that cut wire doesn't matter....i wasn't thinking....3400 harness is getting swapped over along with a bunch of other stuff. Got the subframe/engine dropped yesterday. Next thing to do is swap over all the accessories. I'm gonna be using the 3400 upper intake for now (shaving off the 3400 sfi though since it wont be a 3400 ). Still got a lot to do but were getting there. Def not a weekend job . With work the next couple days i'm not gonna be able to get over there till thursday...then we have the weekend to finish it. I'm trying to get pics sent to my email from my phone but it doesn't wanna cooperate.

[unchained_01]

keep up the good work Bill !!!

[billytheman1188]

Originally Posted by unchained_01

keep up the good work Bill !!!

Thank you sir. Can't wait to get this in...i miss my car. I'm driving an 05 Xterra which certainly isn't a bad vehicle to be driving while mine is down....but the gas sucks

Also, it kind of sucks i have to use the 3400 upper/my old TB cause i'm losing a lot power doing that. I wanna eventually have the 3500 upper and lower port&polished with a 62mm TB....but i have to wait

[unchained_01]

xterra mileage sucks !!! And small planned steps make a good build .

[billytheman1188]

Started swapping parts over to the 3500 today. Fuel rail/injectors are in. When taking the 3500 rail off the ends of 3 of the injectors fell into the LIM....so we had to get a wire and fish them out....took about 40 min but we didn't wanna have to it off, reseal it...too much extra work for 3 little plastic pieces. Swapped over the thermo housing, engine mount, grinded off the 3400 sfi on the UIM and were gonna polish it so it looks nice under there Lots of grinding....we tried having a little fun and mixing the aluminum shavings with some rust (but the rust chunks weren't fine enough) to make thermite........didn't wanna light. Anyways....we were gonna swap over the harmonic balancer but it was getting dark. That, along with many other things will get done saturday. Hopefully sunday were dropping it in.

My 3400 uim has all kinds of oil on the sides....PCV valve was ****ed. . Gotta clean that and the TB out good.


OH YEA....the lower right bolt on the headers....PITA....had to wrench it out but for a while we were struggling to get it loose. It's in such a tight spot....we weren't even mad cause we felt bad for the guy who had to put them on (i took it to a shop years ago to get them installed). Finally got it after hammering on it a little to "break it free". Overall good day....coming along nicely.

[Starglow]

Given the time you spent grinding on the 3400 UIM, you could have easily used the 3500 UIM instead if you got the MMS swap kit. Adding the vacuum port is about the only work needed and everything else is plug-N-play after that. I guess I don't understand the value add of wasting so much time on using the 3400 UIM that offers lower performance over the 3500 UIM.

[unchained_01]

Keep up the good work Bill !!! Now as far as the statement about the 3500 manifold. I am on the fence about using one. I have heard/read that they have a tendency to lean out on number 5/6 pistons. So before I use one I will have to do more research Sorry to thread jack. Bill. Post pics please !!!

[billytheman1188]

Originally Posted by Starglow

Given the time you spent grinding on the 3400 UIM, you could have easily used the 3500 UIM instead if you got the MMS swap kit. Adding the vacuum port is about the only work needed and everything else is plug-N-play after that. I guess I don't understand the value add of wasting so much time on using the 3400 UIM that offers lower performance over the 3500 UIM.

3500 upper will go on eventually. As of right now its the 3400....for some reason i think theres more involved than just adding the vacuum port. Also...it's kind of a waste to use the 3500 and then have the 3400 TB on....still decreases performance. Right now i'm not being picky....i just need to get the car back on the road. I can deal with the decrease in performance...i'm looking for reliability right now...not so much performance....yet

Eventually when i make a trip to ohio im gonna stop in to milzy and have him put the port and polished upper and lower 3500 intake manis on with a 62mm tb. Then he can tune right there....DONE.

Originally Posted by unchained_01

Keep up the good work Bill !!! Now as far as the statement about the 3500 manifold. I am on the fence about using one. I have heard/read that they have a tendency to lean out on number 5/6 pistons. So before I use one I will have to do more research Sorry to thread jack. Bill. Post pics please !!!

Thread jack? haha...not at all. I would like more convo on this topic so go right ahead! I'm not one of the people who gets all mad when someone starts talking about something else. I would post pics but i can't get them from my phone to my email....i even tried making a new email and sending it...still nothing. It DID send to my gmail account BUT idk the password....LOL....i use gmail on my phone and it always stays logged in so i never put the PW in. I tried to retrieve it but google is stupid....i have to pay $3 to get my password....LAME. Yea, its only 3 dollars but i don't wanna pay just for a password.

[unchained_01]

You will get it figured out eventually !! And I will see if I can find those posts about the differences in those 2 manifolds. And Paul and a few guys should be able to help with the tuning end I am still a noob and have only done a tried a few things with DHP Pay for a password ??!! I wouldn't either.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by Starglow

Given the time you spent grinding on the 3400 UIM, you could have easily used the 3500 UIM instead if you got the MMS swap kit. Adding the vacuum port is about the only work needed and everything else is plug-N-play after that. I guess I don't understand the value add of wasting so much time on using the 3400 UIM that offers lower performance over the 3500 UIM.

Actually the stock FPR doesn't clear the neck on the 3500 UIM either so you also need to grind clearance on that. The performance difference between the two uppers is minimal. Most of the power gain on the 3500 comes from the larger displacement, higher CR, and design of the cylinder head ports. Not from the intake manifolds. Using the 3400 upper is just easier because... no modifications necessary.

[billytheman1188]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Actually the stock FPR doesn't clear the neck on the 3500 UIM either so you also need to grind clearance on that. The performance difference between the two uppers is minimal. Most of the power gain on the 3500 comes from the larger displacement, higher CR, and design of the cylinder head ports. Not from the intake manifolds. Using the 3400 upper is just easier because... no modifications necessary.

Thats good to know (the performance is minimal between the two) cause i was a little bummed if i was gonna be losing a good amount of power....but like i said i just want this engine in and done! Most time consuming thing i've ever done to a car. Great learning experience though. The 3400 upper looks SICK polished....gonna be the only polished thing under the hood but w/e . Tomorrow were back at it!

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Actually the stock FPR doesn't clear the neck on the 3500 UIM either so you also need to grind clearance on that. The performance difference between the two uppers is minimal. Most of the power gain on the 3500 comes from the larger displacement, higher CR, and design of the cylinder head ports. Not from the intake manifolds. Using the 3400 upper is just easier because... no modifications necessary.

The stock FPR does fit.

Do I need to take a picture of my car? Stock stock stock.

Don't talk if you haven't done it.



Edited for proof.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by HOYS

The stock FPR does fit.

Do I need to take a picture of my car? Stock stock stock.

Don't talk if you haven't done it.



Edited for proof.

Dude, just STFU already.

When everyone on 60degreev6 first started doing this swap, back before you'd even heard of this engine, they had problems with the FPR touching the manifold and had to grind out a tiny notch in the manifold to keep it from touching. There are obviously going to be differences from engine to engine in tolerances and such so maybe yours fit on there.... maybe it fits but it's touching, but it shouldn't. Looks pretty close to me.

You forget I've had this car and followed this scene about 4 times longer than you have. Think next time before you open your crap hole and reply with a little less attitude and a little more respect unless you want points.

[Fireball]

It certainly didn't clear my FPR without extra work (spacers, grinding, unbolting the fuel rail and pulling hard).

[AaronGTR]

That's exactly what I'm saying. There's a little bit of play in the position of the fuel rails and in the position of the UIM, and probably a little variation in the thickness of the casting on some manifolds. Some may just fit... some may not. Either way, even if it will fit you don't want the FPR actually touching the mani, so if it's close you need to sand/grind some clearance on the neck of the mani. Doesn't usually take much. I've seen the pics of it done.

[billytheman1188]

No more grinding on the upper....just gonna slap it on there, **** it. No patience for it. Today we swapped over the crank pulley.....took us quite a while cause the teeth on his puller kept slipping but we got it. We put the pulley from the 3400 on the 5 and then we realized....****....the sensor........and we were just talking about it like 5 min before about how we gotta clean it. So....took it off again....wanted to bang my head against the wall. Tranny is un bolted....tomorrow were taking the 34 out and dropping the 35 in. by thursday it should be running. (mon tues wed we cant work on it). Kind of annoyed its not getting done this weekend but w/e.