Anyone see these?? Scam?? Too good to be true at that price??

[sugar ray]

Browsing Ebay. I have an 02 GA 3.4. No fancy turbo just a regular 3.4
For $25 you gotta be kidding?? When I first purchased my GA 10 years ago brand new power chips were like $250+

Are they cheap now because an 02 is considered an old model?? Are these chips advising premium fuel like most chips?? I always felt chips requiring premium fuel wiped out any chip advantage in fuel savings just for the fact you have to spend extra $$$$ to make the chip do its thing

Anyways....have a peek.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERFORMANCE-...88fc71&vxp=mtr

[sugar ray]

NEVER MIND!!! found this post in another forum. Looks like its nothing more then a resistor over that fancy cover:

QUOTE:i bought one for my buic park ave didnt see any difference, might have been less fuel milage. took it off and tore it apare. the only thing inside the filling material (to hide what is inside) was the two wires connected to a 2kohms 20% resistor. real hi tech huh!!! they even used the cheapest resistor they could find... this is a big rip off and i should have know better. tried to contact the company to thank them for the rip off but i cant get past their faq questions.... mever again...ps spread the word

[HOYS]

Most people don't buy these...

[blckgagt]

Fuel chips are worthless! Go boost or go home.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by blckgagt

Fuel chips are worthless! Go boost or go home.

I love my grand am..but as clearly demonstrated by yourself and countless others these cars not good platforms to boost. i could turbo my riding lawn mower, but why?

[blckgagt]

It was a joke man.....I agree that boosting these cars are expensive to make reliable but it's doable. Most of the problems I've had could of been avoided though.

[geldartb]

Originally Posted by HOYS

Most people don't buy these...

since they are a complete joke and worthless.

gotta give the guy who makes them props along with all the suckers he get's to buy them.

Originally Posted by locoman99

i could turbo my riding lawn mower, but why?

for the obvious reason of it would be cool

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I love my grand am..but as clearly demonstrated by yourself and countless others these cars not good platforms to boost. i could turbo my riding lawn mower, but why?

Because it is most likely a two stroke and boosting a two stroke really doesn't do much :P

[locoman99]

Fuel chips are a scam...no doubt and everyone calls them out but a cai is a waste of money on a stock engine and everyone acts like it should be one of your first engine mods. The stock airbox and ducting with a clean hiflow filter prob can support 250hp with ease. If u think u need more induction a larger throttle body is not much more expensive than a cai would cost. The exhaust on these cars is the first restriction to making power.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by HOYS

Because it is most likely a two stroke and boosting a two stroke really doesn't do much :P

FALSE.... A two stoke makes better power under boost than a four stroke. The turbocharger on an emd710 weighs as much three grandams..

[zukiracer19]

3xxx's aren't good platforms to boost?? JACKASS.

[AaronGTR]

Total scam. If it was that easy to add 35hp AND get 4mpg better by plugging in a $25 part.... the manufacturer would have designed the car with it from the beginning! OEM's spend millions of dollars fine tuning drive train management systems that will give the maximum HP possible while being within the fuel mileage and emissions target of their market for a given car, and while keeping a margin of safety for reliable operation and long life of the vehicle.

Any cheap gimmick product like this most likely either doesn't work at all... or it improves one aspect while sacrificing one or more of the others.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by zukiracer19

3xxx's aren't good platforms to boost?? JACKASS.

No, not really, especially in an n body ... 60v6 in an fbody, maybe. There is nothing about this engine or this platform that lends itself to being boosted. a pushrod v6 transverse mount fwd with a weak transaxle with little aftermarker support does not lend itself well to boosting. Sorry thats the truth. Will it make more power? Yes..any engine would. It can be done..no doubt anything can be, i am not saying that. But spending ten grand in upgrades to turn a high 14 second car into a 13 second car speaks for itself in terms of practicality.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by locoman99

No, not really, especially in an n body ... 60v6 in an fbody, maybe. There is nothing about this engine or this platform that lends itself to being boosted. a pushrod v6 transverse mount fwd with a weak transaxle with little aftermarker support does not lend itself well to boosting. Sorry thats the truth. Will it make more power? Yes..any engine would. It can be done..no doubt anything can be, i am not saying that. But spending ten grand in upgrades to turn a 14 second car into a 12 second car speaks for itself in terms of practicality.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. And I speak from experience. Yes, the engine responds reasonably well to boost and makes more HP... but it is NOT cheap or easy to boost one of these engines. The efficiency is also limited by the engine/trans configuration and space available in the engine bay. Just look at the lengths to which Nick-G has gone in turbo build in his efforts to maximize the potential of his build. Eliminating many components and systems, relocating things such as the PS pump, and even rotating the intake manifold. Costly, difficult, and far from stock. And yes, then there is the crappy stock trans, the expense and limited availability of parts, and limited experience and testing of high power boosted setups in the community.

[gtjoshua1]

That exact chip worked for my uncle. He put it in an 04 Grand Prix and he got a 23 HP gain. And now gets 6 MPG more.I was shocked.

[zukiracer19]

Originally Posted by locoman99

No, not really, especially in an n body ... 60v6 in an fbody, maybe. There is nothing about this engine or this platform that lends itself to being boosted. a pushrod v6 transverse mount fwd with a weak transaxle with little aftermarker support does not lend itself well to boosting. Sorry thats the truth. Will it make more power? Yes..any engine would. It can be done..no doubt anything can be, i am not saying that. But spending ten grand in upgrades to turn a high 14 second car into a 13 second car speaks for itself in terms of practicality.

You mean realistically a Low-Mid 15 maybe even 16 second car is some areas to a 13 second car with as little as 1500-2000$ isn't really that bad.

I ran a 14.013 @ 103mph with no first gear, slipping trans, exhaust leak, on 4 psi in 2nd, 10 psi in 3rd.

If I would've had my trans fixed by then I'm willing to put money on low 13s on 6 psi. maybe even closer to 13 flat/high 12s on a higher psi like 12. I've spent 1300 on my setup. IMO Transmission was really the only flaw... But I did blow a headgasket when I spiked 17 psi messing around with a Bolted on GTO. It went up way to quick to let off and by that time coolant was everywhere. (But 17 psi Felt like it pulled harder then my friends vortec supercharged mustang... No joke )

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by zukiracer19

You mean realistically a Low-Mid 15 maybe even 16 second car is some areas to a 13 second car with as little as 1500-2000$ isn't really that bad.

I ran a 14.013 @ 103mph with no first gear, slipping trans, exhaust leak, on 4 psi in 2nd, 10 psi in 3rd.

If I would've had my trans fixed by then I'm willing to put money on low 13s on 6 psi. maybe even closer to 13 flat/high 12s on a higher psi like 12. I've spent 1300 on my setup. IMO Transmission was really the only flaw... But I did blow a headgasket when I spiked 17 psi messing around with a Bolted on GTO. It went up way to quick to let off and by that time coolant was everywhere. (But 17 psi Felt like it pulled harder then my friends vortec supercharged mustang... No joke )

I rest my case...
Ps. it was the goat was the one messing around with you..not the other way around.

[zukiracer19]

My car is faster then the goat, I gave him a ride before we raced on 15 psi and he said I'll beat him . I pulled him hard till it creeped.

Cars I've raced at track go as: LS1 RX7, Built Supra, SRT-4, Ford Lightning. The ford lightning was low 12s high 11s all night, I heard him over talking saying it was stock from factory lmao... yea right.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by zukiracer19

My car is faster then the goat, I gave him a ride before we raced on 15 psi and he said I'll beat him . I pulled him hard till it creeped.

Cars I've raced at track go as: LS1 RX7, Built Supra, SRT-4, Ford Lightning. The ford lightning was low 12s high 11s all night, I heard him over talking saying it was stock from factory lmao... yea right.

I call bs on you my freind...stock ls2 gto is a hi 12 car...boltons to easy 11s or better. My 9 yo daughter could drive one around your ga on 20lbs before it exploded into smoking pile of fail.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by gtjoshua1

That exact chip worked for my uncle. He put it in an 04 Grand Prix and he got a 23 HP gain. And now gets 6 MPG more.I was shocked.

And he has proof of this?

Originally Posted by zukiracer19

My car is faster then the goat, I gave him a ride before we raced on 15 psi and he said I'll beat him . I pulled him hard till it creeped.

Cars I've raced at track go as: LS1 RX7, Built Supra, SRT-4, Ford Lightning. The ford lightning was low 12s high 11s all night, I heard him over talking saying it was stock from factory lmao... yea right.

I call BS on this too.... but then again that's normal for you zuki.