The Grand Ma has a weak start with a good battery...

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-01-2012, 06:09 PM

Okay, the past week my car has been giving an oddly weak start. It's not consistent, but it doesn't help that I have a miss at WOT between 4200-4600rpms. Plugs are going to be changed in a few months, but what could be the source of a weak start? Battery is fine, cranking voltage is good, and the alternator is charging the battery properly. Signs of an ailing starter? Crank or cam sensor? I only have troublecodes for my annoying P0420 code, and the misfire at WOT.

unchained_01 · 02-01-2012, 06:19 PM

Have you taken the starter and had it tested or checked the ground at the starter ? BTW. How old is grand ma ? Lol

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-01-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by unchained_01

Have you taken the starter and had it tested or checked the ground at the starter ? BTW. How old is grand ma ? Lol

Never tested the starter directly.

It's a 2003, with 152K on the clock.

unchained_01 · 02-01-2012, 07:04 PM

Yeah Chris I would have it checked. Any of the big box part stores. Do it for free.

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-01-2012, 07:18 PM

How exactly? There's almost zero access to the starter from the engine bay...and I really don't feel like yanking out the damn thing unless it's getting replaced.

HOYS · 02-01-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

How exactly? There's almost zero access to the starter from the engine bay...and I really don't feel like yanking out the damn thing unless it's getting replaced.

You have to take it off...

Two bolts for the inspection/access overs (12mm)

Two bolts holding it to the block (15mm)

Two wires with one 13mm nut

One wire with a 8mm nut...

10 minutes.

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-01-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HOYS

You have to take it off...

Two bolts for the inspection/access overs (12mm)

Two bolts holding it to the block (15mm)

Two wires with one 13mm nut

One wire with a 8mm nut...

10 minutes.

That doesn't fix my case of not giving a fock.

But seriously, if it's the starter, I'll deal. I get wholesale prices on parts, and have access to a lift at work. It does have 152K on the starter, so I'm not exactly surprised it's a possibility.

unchained_01 · 02-01-2012, 07:41 PM

Yeah you have gotten alot of life out of it it's the only one it's had.

[ChaosweaveR] · 02-01-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by unchained_01

Yeah you have gotten alot of life out of it it's the only one it's had.

Yup, original. Has that distinct original Delco sound on startup.

The starter has the Delco tags on it as well, and I never saw work for starter replacement in the car's work history in the small amount of paperwork that came with it.

locoman99 · 02-01-2012, 08:11 PM

I have seen this before. Perhaps the ignition switch is not being turned with enough force to start the car. One fast test you can do is find soneone with less limp wrist to start the car and see if that causes it to start quicker.

BJPbrandon2448 · 02-01-2012, 08:26 PM

LMFAO!!!

Its Chaos vs. Zuki all over again!!! the hilarious insults back and forth will now officially begin!!!

westerndragon · 02-08-2012, 05:22 PM

if its a weak crank but your holding a batt charge its 90% your starter because if it were the alt your batt would drain away just replace the starter i think i paid 60$ for a new on and its pretty simple to change out

sleepyalero · 02-08-2012, 06:27 PM

i got you beat with 176k on stock starter

hope that fixes your problem

[ChaosweaveR] · 04-13-2012, 07:19 AM

Might as well update:

It was the starter. Died in the middle of February. $130 and a week later, it lived again. Luckily, my mom acquired a new/used car, so I wasn't stuck driving the 94 Sentra death trap.

Instead I cruised around in an 03 PT Cruiser Limited. Leather, heated seats, power everything, very nice sound system...I didn't mind at all.

rocketfast123 · 04-13-2012, 07:31 AM

Death traps build character

[ChaosweaveR] · 04-13-2012, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rocketfast123

Death traps build character

Bah, this one was past it's prime or entertainment value.

street_fire · 04-13-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

i got you beat with 176k on stock starter

hope that fixes your problem

Lol got u beat. 212k on stock starter

plus a bonus I still got the stock gaskets.

[ChaosweaveR] · 04-13-2012, 09:24 AM

That's in kilometers.

So in reality that's about 86,000 miles.

geldartb · 04-13-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

That's in kilometers.

So in reality that's about 86,000 miles.

around 132k miles

afterdeath07 · 04-13-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by street_fire

Lol got u beat. 212k on stock starter

plus a bonus I still got the stock gaskets.

bam 207000 miles

now watch it die

02-01-2012, 06:09 PM	#1
[ChaosweaveR] So that's Vtec... AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Medford, NY Age: 34 Posts: 6,783 Vehicle: ‘15 Honda Accord Sport	The Grand Ma has a weak start with a good battery... Okay, the past week my car has been giving an oddly weak start. It's not consistent, but it doesn't help that I have a miss at WOT between 4200-4600rpms. Plugs are going to be changed in a few months, but what could be the source of a weak start? Battery is fine, cranking voltage is good, and the alternator is charging the battery properly. Signs of an ailing starter? Crank or cam sensor? I only have troublecodes for my annoying P0420 code, and the misfire at WOT. __________________ 2015 Honda Accord Sport Sedan: K24W 2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES: 4G64

02-01-2012, 06:19 PM	#2
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	Have you taken the starter and had it tested or checked the ground at the starter ? BTW. How old is grand ma ? Lol __________________ Building my own concept Last edited by unchained_01; 02-01-2012 at 06:27 PM.

02-01-2012, 07:04 PM	#4
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	Yeah Chris I would have it checked. Any of the big box part stores. Do it for free. __________________ Building my own concept

02-01-2012, 07:18 PM	#5
[ChaosweaveR] So that's Vtec... AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Medford, NY Age: 34 Posts: 6,783 Vehicle: ‘15 Honda Accord Sport	How exactly? There's almost zero access to the starter from the engine bay...and I really don't feel like yanking out the damn thing unless it's getting replaced. __________________ 2015 Honda Accord Sport Sedan: K24W 2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES: 4G64

02-01-2012, 07:41 PM	#8
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	Yeah you have gotten alot of life out of it it's the only one it's had. __________________ Building my own concept

02-01-2012, 08:11 PM	#10
locoman99 710ci...per cylinder AKA: mitch conner Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 518 Vehicle: 1999 ga gt1.	I have seen this before. Perhaps the ignition switch is not being turned with enough force to start the car. One fast test you can do is find soneone with less limp wrist to start the car and see if that causes it to start quicker.

02-01-2012, 08:26 PM	#11
BJPbrandon2448 GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Brandon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Fremont Ohio Posts: 1,027 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT	LMFAO!!! Its Chaos vs. Zuki all over again!!! the hilarious insults back and forth will now officially begin!!!

02-08-2012, 05:22 PM	#12
westerndragon GAGT - Member AKA: Eric Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lewiston Maine Posts: 601 Vehicle: 1999 GT1	if its a weak crank but your holding a batt charge its 90% your starter because if it were the alt your batt would drain away just replace the starter i think i paid 60$ for a new on and its pretty simple to change out __________________ NOM NOM NOM!

02-08-2012, 06:27 PM	#13
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	i got you beat with 176k on stock starter hope that fixes your problem __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

04-13-2012, 07:19 AM	#14
[ChaosweaveR] So that's Vtec... AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Medford, NY Age: 34 Posts: 6,783 Vehicle: ‘15 Honda Accord Sport	Might as well update: It was the starter. Died in the middle of February. $130 and a week later, it lived again. Luckily, my mom acquired a new/used car, so I wasn't stuck driving the 94 Sentra death trap. Instead I cruised around in an 03 PT Cruiser Limited. Leather, heated seats, power everything, very nice sound system...I didn't mind at all. __________________ 2015 Honda Accord Sport Sedan: K24W 2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES: 4G64

04-13-2012, 09:24 AM	#18
[ChaosweaveR] So that's Vtec... AKA: Chris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Medford, NY Age: 34 Posts: 6,783 Vehicle: ‘15 Honda Accord Sport	That's in kilometers. So in reality that's about 86,000 miles. __________________ 2015 Honda Accord Sport Sedan: K24W 2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES: 4G64

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