DHP tuner nearby??

[chris_gt_74]

Anyone here near Palestine Texas that has a DHP tuner that would be willing to get my bin from my pcm? I'd even consider renting it if someone didn't mind shipping it to me long enough to dump my pcm. I'd pay shipping of course. The reason I'm looking is because I am only able to locate 1 2005 Grand Am GT bin from the internet. It is claimed to be stock but it is not. Plus I hate the relearn procedure every time I flash the damn thing. I figure getting my own bin from my pcm would help greatly since I know it's stock and I will not have to relearn every time I flash. I already have a pro hptuners kit but wanted the bin for some stuff that hptuners can't touch.

[AaronGTR]

What re-learn are you talking about? The fuel trims, or the security? If it's fuel trim, you should be resetting that and relearning them every time anyway unless you don't make any fuel changes, in which case you should have the option when you do a write not to reset them (HP should offer that I think?). If it's security, it just sets a security DTC when you re-write the PCM and you should be able to just delete it.

Anyway, I thought HP tuners offered pretty much everything now that DHP did? I know the tiny tuner app has more settings than DHP, but you should be able to use that with HPT as well as long as you have a BIN file to work on. Shouldn't you be able to pull the stock BIN off your PCM with HPT? What is it you want to change that they don't support?

I dunno... I guess I'm just a little baffled because there are a bunch of people on here who are always talking about how much DHP sucks and how HPT is better and they wished they had gone with HPT originally before they bought DHP powertuners.

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

What re-learn are you talking about? The fuel trims, or the security? If it's fuel trim, you should be resetting that and relearning them every time anyway unless you don't make any fuel changes, in which case you should have the option when you do a write not to reset them (HP should offer that I think?). If it's security, it just sets a security DTC when you re-write the PCM and you should be able to just delete it.

Anyway, I thought HP tuners offered pretty much everything now that DHP did? I know the tiny tuner app has more settings than DHP, but you should be able to use that with HPT as well as long as you have a BIN file to work on. Shouldn't you be able to pull the stock BIN off your PCM with HPT? What is it you want to change that they don't support?

I dunno... I guess I'm just a little baffled because there are a bunch of people on here who are always talking about how much DHP sucks and how HPT is better and they wished they had gone with HPT originally before they bought DHP powertuners.

The relearn I'm talking about is the security one. I have a stock bin file for my year grand am but it did not come from my car. Also while diggin through the bin it is not stock which is why I wanted my own bin file from my pcm. Not to mention my post a while back about flickering lights, that was somehow connected with the bin I got from the internet. Since I flashed back to stock the flickering disappeared.

Hptuners will not output a bin file. They use their own file format that is encrypted. I emailed support and they basically called me a thief or a hacker because I asked to have my hpt file decrypted by them and to send me the bin file back. I argued back and forth a few times clearly explaining what I wanted the bin file for and they were still pissy about it.

I only need DHP to extract my bin from my pcm. I don't want to tune with it.

[AaronGTR]

They won't even let you upload your own stock bin from your own PCM?! : How is that stealing? It's GM's code, not theirs. They don't own it, you do, and it's not a tuned file like from a purchased PCM like DHP 1.0... that's ghey. +1 for DHP.

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

They won't even let you upload your own stock bin from your own PCM?! : How is that stealing? It's GM's code, not theirs. They don't own it, you do, and it's not a tuned file like from a purchased PCM like DHP 1.0... that's ghey. +1 for DHP.

Tell me about it. It pissed me off. They acted like I asked for their ****ing code or something. All I wanted was my bin extracted which I attached to the 1st email and only asked that they email me my bin file back.

Here's the emails:

Me:

I have a request that I am hoping you guys can help me out with. I have my stock hpt file from my 05 Grand Am GT. I have located a single bin file that matches my OS version and year model that is suppose to be a stock bin. Well after some research it seems the file is not stock and has something wrong with it that is affecting my charging system. My best bet I can think of is to see if I can somehow get my own bin file from my vehicle extracted from my hpt file. I understand you guys have your own proprietary format to prevent the bin files from being freely distributed but this is not the case with myself. I need it for my own personal use specifically for my car and my tuner. I don't know if you guys do this sort of thing or not but I would be very greatful if I could have mine extracted from the hpt file. I would go the DHP route which outputs in bin format but I have asked around for anyone close to me that could pull it and there are none. Thanks in advance and I hope ya'll can help me out.

PS I can give proof of ownership of the vehicle the hpt was pulled from if necessary. But anyway I have attached my hpt file just in case ya'll can provide the bin for me.

Them:

Unfortunately not, we do not offer binary conversions because this would make our software easy to reverse engineer. Sorry but this is not a service we offer.

Me:

While I understand your stance regarding your software. It's a real bummer for a user such as myself that is not a full blown tuner. I bought your tuner package for the scanning ability and to tune my car. I have no interest in reversing your software or the hpt format. I will continue my search for a true stock bin I guess. Thanks

Them:

Why not have gm flash it to stock so you know its stock, then just reread with our software.

Me:

I already have the stock tune. I also have the stock hpt file from my pcm . I wanted the bin extracted from the hpt to gain access to the unsupported tables hptuners doesn't have.

Them:

Yeah as stated we aren’t going to convert our protected files so that you can use another software package modify or reverse engineer our work.

Me:

Tiny tuner is hardly a competitor. It's a freeware editor with zero flash ability and no hardware support. I want to use it purely for the extra tables your software does not provide and your format is not supported obviously. I asked to be sent my bin file and not the ability to extract it myself. You should consider implementing the tables the freeware provides atleast especially since yours is $500+ and theirs is free. I didn't know having my own bin extracted was that big a deal, sorry. Thanks for the help.

That was the last correspondence with them.

Bitches!! That's what $500+ bucks gets you. Being called a thief for wanting access to your own pcm information.

[AaronGTR]

Have you tried getting in touch with gectec? I know he is in TX and I thought he had a DHP? Not totally sure about that though... and I don't know how far away he is.

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Have you tried getting in touch with gectec? I know he is in TX and I thought he had a DHP? Not totally sure about that though... and I don't know how far away he is.

Yeah he's in the Longview, TX area I think, like 45 minutes or so from me. He is the one that's been helping me tune. I've emailed him but not about getting my own bin from my pcm.

[HOYS]

HPTuners switched to a propreitary file type when they introduced VCM enhancements for the GenIII V8 cars. Linky to the Enchancements.

These are improvements they made to the OS and custom OS'es that they worked on...so it is their code.

The problem is that our car's never got any VCM Enhancements (and never will!) because...people don't need and probably wouldn't understand a 2bar SD tune.

HPT is spending their time on bigger and better things than dinky N-Body OSes. They just released a ZL1 definition and are working on having Dodge cars supported so they can broaden their customer base...yet they still find time to help me out and get the OS from my mini-van supported in under two weeks.

I hate to say it, but I think you should of known this before you bought HPT...

Also, you do know you can flash a similar OS that you have a .bin file of (say from the same year/powertrain) and it should work on your PCM (provided that your PCM hardware number is the same as the hardware number the OS .bin file came off of).

So this way: Have stock .bin file > Make modifications in Tiny Tuner > Import into HPT (they still support opening of .bin files) > Make the changes in HPT that you want > Flash to car.

Also, if you get a pre 2.0.xxxxx version of HPTuners (look on LS1tech), you can install it, activate your cable through it like you would with a newer version, and pull a .bin file from the car.

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by HOYS

HPTuners switched to a propreitary file type when they introduced VCM enhancements for the GenIII V8 cars. Linky to the Enchancements.

These are improvements they made to the OS and custom OS'es that they worked on...so it is their code.

The problem is that our car's never got any VCM Enhancements (and never will!) because...people don't need and probably wouldn't understand a 2bar SD tune.

HPT is spending their time on bigger and better things than dinky N-Body OSes. They just released a ZL1 definition and are working on having Dodge cars supported so they can broaden their customer base...yet they still find time to help me out and get the OS from my mini-van supported in under two weeks.

I hate to say it, but I think you should of known this before you bought HPT...

Also, you do know you can flash a similar OS that you have a .bin file of (say from the same year/powertrain) and it should work on your PCM (provided that your PCM hardware number is the same as the hardware number the OS .bin file came off of).

So this way: Have stock .bin file > Make modifications in Tiny Tuner > Import into HPT (they still support opening of .bin files) > Make the changes in HPT that you want > Flash to car.

Also, if you get a pre 2.0.xxxxx version of HPTuners (look on LS1tech), you can install it, activate your cable through it like you would with a newer version, and pull a .bin file from the car.

Yeah I know the N body crowd is little fish to them. I also understand they own the code but that doesn't explain to me why they think that by giving me my bin file (they personally extract it) will allow me to completely hack their stuff. It was a **** you answer if you ask me. As for I shoulda known, no I didn't. I didn't know certain tables weren't available in hptuners. How would I without owning it or using it before? I have already went the bin method you refer to. I only found 1 single bin that matched my os. It was not stock and also caused issues with my bcm for whatever reasons. But I did not know about the older version of hptuner being able to download as a bin file. If that's true then iy will solve my problem.

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by chris_gt_74

Yeah I know the N body crowd is little fish to them. I also understand they own the code but that doesn't explain to me why they think that by giving me my bin file (they personally extract it) will allow me to completely hack their stuff. It was a **** you answer if you ask me. As for I shoulda known, no I didn't. I didn't know certain tables weren't available in hptuners. How would I without owning it or using it before? I have already went the bin method you refer to. I only found 1 single bin that matched my os. It was not stock and also caused issues with my bcm for whatever reasons. But I did not know about the older version of hptuner being able to download as a bin file. If that's true then iy will solve my problem.

Who did you contact? Bill?

Also, did you change the VIN after re flashing the different OS? What is the OSID of your stock OS?

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by HOYS

Who did you contact? Bill?

Also, did you change the VIN after re flashing the different OS? What is the OSID of your stock OS?

Yes I think he was the one who emailed me back. Yes the VIN matched as well as the OSID. Mine is OS 12594385.

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by chris_gt_74

Yes I think he was the one who emailed me back. Yes the VIN matched as well as the OSID. Mine is OS 12594385.

What were the issues with your BCM? I'm not 100% on the 2005's but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't have ANY issues flashing a stock OSID over another of the same OSID...

[chris_gt_74]

I'm not entirely sure what was up. I was experiencing light flickering from all interior lights, brake lights, and headlights anytime the ac was turned on. Pulsing did not change with rpm's either. Everyone around said change the alternator and check grounds and the battery. Well I did all those and the issue still remained. So I flashed back to stock and the problem seemed to vanish. As a test a week later I flashed the problematic tune back and the issue reappeared. So back to stock I went. This is why I really wanted my own bin from my pcm because I know it's not tampered with at all.

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by chris_gt_74

I'm not entirely sure what was up. I was experiencing light flickering from all interior lights, brake lights, and headlights anytime the ac was turned on. Pulsing did not change with rpm's either. Everyone around said change the alternator and check grounds and the battery. Well I did all those and the issue still remained. So I flashed back to stock and the problem seemed to vanish. As a test a week later I flashed the problematic tune back and the issue reappeared. So back to stock I went. This is why I really wanted my own bin from my pcm because I know it's not tampered with at all.

Is it the .bin from 60*?

[chris_gt_74]

Originally Posted by HOYS

Is it the .bin from 60*?

Yes. It was the only one I could locate.

[chris_gt_74]

I'm not seeing a download for 1.7.0 vcm suite anywhere. Well any version other than 2.22 for that matter.

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by chris_gt_74

Yes. It was the only one I could locate.

Hm, yeah I don't know of any other ones online. Do you know the ECU's hardware model number?

[HOYS]

Originally Posted by chris_gt_74

I'm not seeing a download for 1.7.0 vcm suite anywhere. Well any version other than 2.22 for that matter.

Its not on HPT's website. Your going to have to find someone with a super old version of the HPT disk. I know where one is...but I have to drive and go get it.

How badly do you want it? :P

[chris_gt_74]

Lol well only if it will work. It used the serial interface so if the software works with the usb style like the new one's I'd like to get it somehow. But if it don't work I don't need it.

I'm not sure the hardware number. I'd have to go look.

[AaronGTR]

Yeah, it sucks... but it seems like the only way to really do everything you want would be if you had DHP, tiny tuner, AND HPT. That's assuming you really need HPT at all. Only reason I would get it at this point would be if I was keeping my GA but also got an LSx car and wanted to tune both with the same setup.