Maybe back to an N-Body! Package questions?

carsarecool · 10-10-2012, 08:23 AM

**edit: New posts with tech questions**

Hey all -

Looking for info on the Getrag 5 spd in an 04 Alero - searched but didn't find much, is it the F23?

Background: Used to have a 99 GA til 2005 (where most of my posts came from) traded for a Maxima, then a RedLine, now I'm driving an 04 GTO, but need a winter beater - looking at a 2004 Alero EcoTec 5spd with 121k for $2495

Family member had a 99 Alero 3400, and I had the 2.4 Grand Am, so I'm quite familiar with the N-body parts, wheel bearing issues, brakes etc only thing is both our cars were auto, therefore I'm not too familiar with the 5 speed.

Also, the package is weird....it's listed as a GL, and it's got alloys, cruise, power locks and a spoiler, but crank windows and no traction control which makes me think it's a GX with a few options. Thoughts/opinions?

carsarecool · 10-10-2012, 10:17 AM

Should also clarify that it's got OEM Olds alloys and OE spoiler, which is why I was wondeirng about the option package.

carsarecool · 10-10-2012, 06:07 PM

Picking up the Alero tomorrow. No one cares?

shiwnath · 10-10-2012, 06:19 PM

Yeah the 5 speed is the F23. Not too sure about the option package... it may be a GL1 or GL2 I'm guessing. My girlfriend's 04 Eco GL Alero doesnt have ABS or Traction either, but it came with 15" alloys and a spoiler.. They stopped making ABS/Trac a standard feature in 01 or 02 I think.

AleroB888 · 10-10-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carsarecool

Picking up the Alero tomorrow. No one cares?

Yeah, cool, I like Aleros. The 5-speed is the only version I didn't have.

carsarecool · 10-10-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AleroB888

Yeah, cool, I like Aleros. The 5-speed is the only version I didn't have.

Haha I was just bein douche-y......kinda excited actually; I know the Eco's are pretty stout engines.

bricooper78 · 10-10-2012, 08:23 PM

Yea, read up on SpyHunter's 2.4 stout may not be the word for them

carsarecool · 10-11-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bricooper78

Yea, read up on SpyHunter's 2.4 stout may not be the word for them

Haha I'll have to search for that - they're a different family of engines, though, right? The 2.4 TC vs. the 2.2 Ecotec?

bricooper78 · 10-11-2012, 07:04 PM

I believe you are correct, mine was a 3.4, I didn't do a ton of reading on them specifically. I just kinda absorbed a drip here and there from what these guys have discussed in the few years I've been prowling around these parts.

Yea, that other thread on here, they're puttin' up links, check 'em out. b-e-a-s-t!

carsarecool · 10-12-2012, 10:30 AM

Picked it up yesterday - going to change the oil, trans fluid & pump out/refill the clutch and power steering reservoirs. It doesn't have ABS, thought that was standard on all n-bodies after 1999?

rocketfast123 · 10-12-2012, 11:09 AM

2002 is when gm got cheap. I have a loaded 2001 Alero 2.4 5-speed, ABS and ECT. I did not know later Aleros did not have fog lights or rear disk, also standard mickey mouse mirrors. My car has break away ones.

The F23 is a good trans, it just has a gear rattle at low speeds. They say to over fill it a little to stop it. I just changed my fluid and put some royal purple ATF in it, over filled it little and almost no noise.

carsarecool · 10-12-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketfast123

2002 is when gm got cheap. I have a loaded 2001 Alero 2.4 5-speed, ABS and ECT. I did not know later Aleros did not have fog lights or rear disk, also standard mickey mouse mirrors. My car has break away ones.

The F23 is a good trans, it just has a gear rattle at low speeds. They say to over fill it a little to stop it. I just changed my fluid and put some royal purple ATF in it, over filled it little and almost no noise.

That was also the first year of the EcoTec in the N-bodies right?

I saw the manual spec's 1.8 quarts for drain/fill, but searching all over the interwebs some are putting 2+ in, and there was mention of a TSB that said use 3 to quiet it, but I know too MUCH fluid can be as damaging as too little.

& Yeah this thing has drum brakes in the back....was a bit surprised to see that on an 04 when my moms 99 had disc.

stewartfn18 · 10-12-2012, 01:31 PM

hey i have a question. Are cars cool?

sleepyalero · 10-12-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by carsarecool

That was also the first year of the EcoTec in the N-bodies right?

I saw the manual spec's 1.8 quarts for drain/fill, but searching all over the interwebs some are putting 2+ in, and there was mention of a TSB that said use 3 to quiet it, but I know too MUCH fluid can be as damaging as too little.

& Yeah this thing has drum brakes in the back....was a bit surprised to see that on an 04 when my moms 99 had disc.

time for a rear disc conversion.

carsarecool · 10-13-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stewartfn18

hey i have a question. Are cars cool?

I'm not certain at this point....fairly sure, but need to check and get back to you. Haha, back in the day when I joined, couldn't decide on a username so ended up with that

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

time for a rear disc conversion.

How difficult is that? Just need pads/rotors/calipers and a caliper bracket?

carsarecool · 10-16-2012, 12:06 PM

Hey,

got deleted already...Ugg boots...

sleepyalero · 10-16-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by carsarecool

I'm not certain at this point....fairly sure, but need to check and get back to you. Haha, back in the day when I joined, couldn't decide on a username so ended up with that

How difficult is that? Just need pads/rotors/calipers and a caliper bracket?

im not entirely sure. never had to do it, im sure there is a thread about it in here somewhere where someone has done it

carsarecool · 10-29-2012, 10:29 AM

Bump - is the front wheel bearing the same with no ABS? Auto parts stores & GM parts stores online list only one bearing, with or without ABS, & I know they have a connector for it - same part?

unchained_01 · 10-29-2012, 05:53 PM

yes same part now do you abs or not ?

carsarecool · 10-29-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by unchained_01

yes same part now do you abs or not ?

Nope, no ABS or Traction control

10-10-2012, 08:23 AM	#1
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Possibly another N-body..package/trans questions **edit: New posts with tech questions** Hey all - Looking for info on the Getrag 5 spd in an 04 Alero - searched but didn't find much, is it the F23? Background: Used to have a 99 GA til 2005 (where most of my posts came from) traded for a Maxima, then a RedLine, now I'm driving an 04 GTO, but need a winter beater - looking at a 2004 Alero EcoTec 5spd with 121k for $2495 Family member had a 99 Alero 3400, and I had the 2.4 Grand Am, so I'm quite familiar with the N-body parts, wheel bearing issues, brakes etc only thing is both our cars were auto, therefore I'm not too familiar with the 5 speed. Also, the package is weird....it's listed as a GL, and it's got alloys, cruise, power locks and a spoiler, but crank windows and no traction control which makes me think it's a GX with a few options. Thoughts/opinions? Last edited by carsarecool; 10-30-2012 at 09:54 PM.

10-10-2012, 06:19 PM	#4
shiwnath GAGT - Member AKA: Trevor Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Kitchener, Ontario Age: 31 Posts: 169 Vehicle: 2000 Olds Alero Sedan	Yeah the 5 speed is the F23. Not too sure about the option package... it may be a GL1 or GL2 I'm guessing. My girlfriend's 04 Eco GL Alero doesnt have ABS or Traction either, but it came with 15" alloys and a spoiler.. They stopped making ABS/Trac a standard feature in 01 or 02 I think. __________________ 2000 Silvermist GL2 Sedan w/ LX9 3500 V6 TCE 65mm throttle body, ported 3400 upper intake manifold, ported 3500 lower intake manifold and heads, WOT-Tech Strip performance cam 276/264 adv duration .536"/.520" lift , COMP Cams 26915 Valve Springs, 28# Trailblazer Injectors, TOG headers, Custom PCM tune and 4th Gen Camaro front calipers

10-12-2012, 01:31 PM	#13
stewartfn18 GAGT - Senior Member AKA: David Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oldsmar,FL Age: 32 Posts: 2,049 Vehicle: 04 vette, 14 R6	hey i have a question. Are cars cool? __________________ MODS: Not Enough

10-29-2012, 05:53 PM	#19
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	yes same part now do you abs or not ? __________________ Building my own concept

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10-10-2012, 10:17 AM	#2
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Should also clarify that it's got OEM Olds alloys and OE spoiler, which is why I was wondeirng about the option package.

10-10-2012, 06:07 PM	#3
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Picking up the Alero tomorrow. No one cares?

10-12-2012, 10:30 AM	#10
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Picked it up yesterday - going to change the oil, trans fluid & pump out/refill the clutch and power steering reservoirs. It doesn't have ABS, thought that was standard on all n-bodies after 1999?

10-16-2012, 12:06 PM	#16
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Hey, got deleted already...Ugg boots...

10-29-2012, 10:29 AM	#18
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Bump - is the front wheel bearing the same with no ABS? Auto parts stores & GM parts stores online list only one bearing, with or without ABS, & I know they have a connector for it - same part?