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[geldartb]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

Because you said so right?

Look, it's fairly obvious that you're terribly insecure and feel threatened by me, otherwise you'd have lost interest a long time ago. Don't worry, I get it. You lack a coherent, logical means of expressing yourself, you're emotionally infantile and you can't read or understand what people post because you don't want to and don't have the patience anyway so when someone comes along who wants to use the forum properly, you get a little burned that you'll be that much less important unless you flame the guy, the threat, into oblivion. It's textbook psychology. You're a common phenotype on the internet and you're exploiting a commonly misunderstood and particularly hated topic as body armour to get away with your ridiculous and inexplicable behaviour. Go ahead and laugh all you want but I know that all the comradery and ego stroking you and others like you use to feel like you have a place in the universe, is purposeless and just makes everyone else loathe you more.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

Because you said so right?

Look, it's fairly obvious that you're terribly insecure and feel threatened by me, otherwise you'd have lost interest a long time ago. Don't worry, I get it. You lack a coherent, logical means of expressing yourself, you're emotionally infantile and you can't read or understand what people post because you don't want to and don't have the patience anyway so when someone comes along who wants to use the forum properly, you get a little burned that you'll be that much less important unless you flame the guy, the threat, into oblivion. It's textbook psychology. You're a common phenotype on the internet and you're exploiting a commonly misunderstood and particularly hated topic as body armour to get away with your ridiculous and inexplicable behaviour. Go ahead and laugh all you want but I know that all the comradery and ego stroking you and others like you use to feel like you have a place in the universe, is purposeless and just makes everyone else loathe you more.

Such a wall of text. You love me so much. <3 You're doing exactly what I want.

But back on topic here, have you actually used an eBay electric turbocharger? Do you have solid evidence of power increases rather than generic claims? You've never shown proof of actual power gains with your car or any car for that matter. Stop yapping, you've had probably our most knowledgable member (AaronGTR) dismiss your crap just like that as well as most of the regulars on here laugh at this joke of a modification.

Seriously, you really think you're going to gain positive reception for this scam? You've only become entertainment. Dance puppet, dance.

[geldartb]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

Such a wall of text. You love me so much. <3 You're doing exactly what I want.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

Because you said so right?

Look, it's fairly obvious that you're terribly insecure and feel threatened by me, otherwise you'd have lost interest a long time ago. Don't worry, I get it. You lack a coherent, logical means of expressing yourself, you're emotionally infantile and you can't read or understand what people post because you don't want to and don't have the patience anyway so when someone comes along who wants to use the forum properly, you get a little burned that you'll be that much less important unless you flame the guy, the threat, into oblivion. It's textbook psychology. You're a common phenotype on the internet and you're exploiting a commonly misunderstood and particularly hated topic as body armour to get away with your ridiculous and inexplicable behaviour. Go ahead and laugh all you want but I know that all the comradery and ego stroking you and others like you use to feel like you have a place in the universe, is purposeless and just makes everyone else loathe you more.

I think he just apologized to you chris.

Now we cant have any more of this,op. Your getting his jimmys rustled this close to bedtime.

Chris,take your nitetime pills, put ur sonic pjs on and your helmet off and get to bed.

[Shade2012]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I think he just apologized to you chris.

Now we cant have any more of this,op. Your getting his jimmys rustled this close to bedtime.

Chris,take your nitetime pills, put ur sonic pjs on and your helmet off and get to bed.

Dude, he has you blocked yet you still continue to ride his d!ck. Quit being ****ing 12 years old and gtfo this forum. No one likes you.

[geldartb]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I think he just apologized to you chris.

Now we cant have any more of this,op. Your getting his jimmys rustled this close to bedtime.

Chris,take your nitetime pills, put ur sonic pjs on and your helmet off and get to bed.

[Cam2Fast]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I think he just apologized to you chris.

Now we cant have any more of this,op. Your getting his jimmys rustled this close to bedtime.

I wholeheartedly agree. It shouldn't have taken 4 pages to convey that I was talking about this:

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/7548383_f520.jpg

and not this:

http://www.electricsupercharger.co.z...duct_photo.jpg


...but I guess a picture is worth a thousand words right?

Anyway, for what it's worth, I had a hand in perpetuating this as long as it's gone on so for that I take my share of responsibility.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

I've had loco on ignore for weeks, he still talks about me?

Talk about sad and pathetic.

Then again, I'd expect loco to defend an idiot that faps to electric superchargers.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

OP, stop whining and showing pictures, show proof that it works or GTFO. It's that simple.

Oh, when this loaded, I 'd:

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

But back on topic here, have you actually used an eBay electric turbocharger?

He already said he was not referring to those, the obvious scams....

At first glance, pound for pound, it would be easily possible to scale down an all-electric to generate 50 HP or so:

http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/history/2010.php

2300 lb electric ran 10s, 450 HP

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Originally Posted by AleroB888

He already said he was not referring to those, the obvious scams....

At first glance, pound for pound, it would be easily possible to scale down an all-electric to generate 50 HP or so:

http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/history/2010.php

2300 lb electric ran 10s, 450 HP

I've read about that Datsun, but that's a full on electric motor. If you're going to utilize electric motors, that's a far more efficient way of harnessing the power. But from what I know about turbochargers, the turbine needs to spin around 15K RPMs to make useable boost, I highly doubt those tiny electric motors have the power that an exhaust driven turbo has to utilize to generate boost.

[klokworx]

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

I've had loco on ignore for weeks, he still talks about me?

Talk about sad and pathetic.

Then again, I'd expect loco to defend an idiot that faps to electric superchargers.

I defend his right to have a thread that doesnt get hijacked, flamed and trolled. I defend anyones right to have an open discussion. They must have had fascism 101 in chris' special ed today.

Chaos has me on ignore but talks about every time i post, who has the thin skin? Just ignore me chris..how hard is it. I will be just as happy making fun of you behind your back.

[klokworx]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I defend his right to have a thread that doesnt get hijacked, flamed and trolled. I defend anyones right to have an open discussion. They must have had fascism 101 in chris' special ed today.

Chaos has me on ignore but talks about every time i post, who has the thin skin? Just ignore me chris..how hard is it. I will be just as happy making fun of you behind your back.

Why not be the bigger man and not respond to his posts? Don't be a bitch, Mitch

[Cam2Fast]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

I've read about that Datsun, but that's a full on electric motor. If you're going to utilize electric motors, that's a far more efficient way of harnessing the power. But from what I know about turbochargers, the turbine needs to spin around 15K RPMs to make useable boost, I highly doubt those tiny electric motors have the power that an exhaust driven turbo has to utilize to generate boost.

It all depends on gearing. The RPM of the blades on a turbine, driving a compressor isn't particularly relevant and it only spins that fast because gas doesn't apply a huge amount of force so you need a large mechanical advantage to scavenge as much energy as possible from the blades. Those blades have to be very easy to turn, thus they have very little inertia and turn rapidly to produce enough torque to drive the compressor side.

With an electric super/turbo, there's no turbine, only a motor, and the motor generates its own torque, rather than leeching it from exhaust so all you care about is the power curve of the motor. Through gearing you can split that into any torque/speed combination you want. You want to spin the turbo as fast as possible but since speed is inversely proportional to torque, you hit a point where there isn't enough torque to maintain that speed, given the intake backpressure. At some point you reach an equilibrium between speed, torque and outlet pressure. If the pressure isn't high enough you need to size your components larger and get a stronger motor. 5kW is all you need in theory to boost a GA to 5psi. Realistically you need a bit more because of inefficiency in the motor but have a look at this relatively tiny motor as an example... this is all you need:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...m_Fan_5kw.html

I just googled until I found something so this motor is just a random search result but pay attention to the diameter, length and mass. These physical dims, as a rule of thumb, define the power regime. The larger the motor, the more power it can produce (in general, assuming similar construction and magnet material).

[Shade2012]

Originally Posted by locoman99

I defend his right to have a thread that doesnt get hijacked, flamed and trolled. I defend anyones right to have an open discussion. They must have had fascism 101 in chris' special ed today.

Chaos has me on ignore but talks about every time i post, who has the thin skin? Just ignore me chris..how hard is it. I will be just as happy making fun of you behind your back.

Go home.

[plastic_indian]

Video a dyno run, even if it is only a mule engine with the relevant equipment. Once the proof of concept is demonstrated, then discuss the weight penalty. The sheer weight of charging system and electric motor components required to produce enough power to drive a puffer would most likely negate any power production benefit. Then discuss packaging: I for one would not be very keen on removing my hood and stacking a rack of equipment roughly the size of a credenza on top my engine.

Not trying to be a prick, but this is one of those concepts that is notorious as a farce in the Internet gearhead community; it's kinda like a supercharged (forgive the pun...) version of the 'superchip' a la IAT 'mod.'

Anybody ever find an OL version of ubergeek Marlan Davis' debunking of this? It ran in HRM some years back...

[Cam2Fast]

While nothing would please me more than to just plaster all the proof in the world for all to see, I don't have the means to do any of this myself.

As for the motor I linked, it's not the same motor but it's a 5kW motor all the same. It weights half a kg. That's nothing. Add to that a small geartrain, the turbo itself, 4 small motorcycle batteries to get the 48 volts and some electrical paraphernalia. It's not "that" heavy. Have a look at the installations in the article. It's no bigger than a normal supercharger and has fewer parts. I just don't get this argument that an electric supercharger is super complicated, super heavy and super big. It just isn't. It's the same size.

I know a video would be great but in the absence of a video we can still infer some details through theoretical means and by using surrogate data from other similar products.

[bricooper78]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

only with rational, open-minded people.

Uh, 'scuse me, we'll have NONE of that bullsheet here..

[TruGreenGAGT]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

While nothing would please me more than to just plaster all the proof in the world for all to see, I don't have the means to do any of this myself.

As for the motor I linked, it's not the same motor but it's a 5kW motor all the same. It weights half a kg. That's nothing. Add to that a small geartrain, the turbo itself, 4 small motorcycle batteries to get the 48 volts and some electrical paraphernalia. It's not "that" heavy. Have a look at the installations in the article. It's no bigger than a normal supercharger and has fewer parts. I just don't get this argument that an electric supercharger is super complicated, super heavy and super big. It just isn't. It's the same size.

I know a video would be great but in the absence of a video we can still infer some details through theoretical means and by using surrogate data from other similar products.

then why not do it your self...you state all these facts and how it's so simple to do yet say.....you don't have the means?

so which is it, you know or you don't???