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[Cam2Fast]

The pictures tell the story of how big it is, the list of materials gives you an idea of the mass, and my mechatronics experience tells me what's involved in wiring it all up. I'm making some assumptions but they're reasonable assumptions. I don't have an electric supercharger and maybe if I tried to install one it'd be a pain in the ass but I don't get that feeling when I look at this. It seems totally doable with only basic skills.

[Shade2012]

I'm done reading this thread.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

>reasonable assumptions

This is why this thread is not taken seriously.

[Cam2Fast]

How can I quote what I don't have in my hands? I don't make things up. I could put a bunch of math down but you'd probably just scoff at that anyway.

In any case, I want to get away from the idea that I have this burden of proof to deliver an answer or something. I was hoping to discuss various topics in a casual fashion, where different people shared opinions and experiences. Not being able to drill answers out of 1 person doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about. It'd be like me saying that cold air intakes are not worth discussing because I asked what the drop in temperature would be and nobody could tell me.

[klokworx]

I just noticed the thread tags

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

How can I quote what I don't have in my hands? I don't make things up. I could put a bunch of math down but you'd probably just scoff at that anyway.

Because nothing but "assumptions", talk and no actual proof will not help your gain of approval for this lousy idea here.

Seeing actual dyno results, videos, etc will prove that it's not just a theory.

[Cam2Fast]

There's a dyno in the article but you didn't get that far.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Considering how unreliable your source is, nobody did. For all we know that author just found pics from the internet and photoshopped a dyno sheet.

Again, there's no credible evidence here. You saying you don't even have the materials to even do this yourself makes it just that much harder to take you seriously.

[Cam2Fast]

By saying I don't have the means to test this I just mean I didn't buy one. There's no custom machining or any of that, just hookup.

Everyone has a right to be skeptical of something they can't see or try for themselves. Before that becomes even marginally relevant however, I think it's more important to plow through the mental barrier that says, all boost electrification is nonsense because some scammers on Ebay make some crap that they are passing off as the same thing. Once you entertain the "possibility" that an idea is sound, then the idea has more potential to become reality. Only a few have had the motivation to even try doing this, probably because nobody cares and nobody holds a high enough opinion to think it's worth trying at all. However, when somebody grits down and builds one and it works, it's worth taking a look at. If more people were on board and were willing to experiment and build their own, you might get companies forming and mass producing these things. Then you'd have more of the real world data you seek. Heck, I'd love to be there in person to see a car with one of these installed. After a bit of research, I see that there are a few people who have purchased them.

[locoman99]

Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

Considering how unreliable your source is, nobody did. For all we know that author just found pics from the internet and photoshopped a dyno sheet.

Again, there's no credible evidence here. You saying you don't even have the materials to even do this yourself makes it just that much harder to take you seriously.

Says the man with 5000 posts and a $1500 grand am

[TruGreenGAGT]

you know who cares enough to buy and install one of these?
you teens with no job and little money

[bricooper78]

Y'all remember WW2? Russian border, Germany was getting pounded, ol' Adolf told his men if they surrendered, he'd kill them? Anyone??

At least you're not pulling out the troops man, going full blown Hitler on this sheet.

I admire your poor attempt to make a point, but dude, you're just looking desperate and stupid. You really need to just drop it. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you at this point.

[Cam2Fast]

Originally Posted by TruGreenGAGT

you know who cares enough to buy and install one of these?
you teens with no job and little money

Are you looking at me? Because I don't fit into that category. I would think that boost electrification would appeal to an older crowd actually. The younger crowd you speak of would go for the ebay garbage because it's an impulse buy for the naive who crave immediate gratification and don't care how it works.

@bricooper78 You can feel sorry someone else. I don't need your pity. I'm not doing anything shameful by sharing information in a forum. Information is information. It's up to the reader to make their own assessment of its usefulness.

[plastic_indian]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

I could put a bunch of math down but you'd probably just scoff at that anyway.

In any case, I want to get away from the idea that I have this burden of proof to deliver an answer or something. I was hoping to discuss various topics in a casual fashion, where different people shared opinions and experiences.

Post math. I promise to read it sober (tomorrow). Gearheads learn by hard experience as a function of dollars wasted on snake oil and dead ends. It takes a long time for innovations to be adopted by the enthusiast crowd (reference Duntov's memo...). The pervasive legitimate work on this topic demonstrates the concept to be impractical if not impossible, and that is reflected herein when this forum shares its 'opinions and experiences.'

Copernicus' peers thought he was a moron, so let's give the benefit of the doubt. You sir, however, are in the spotlight to put up or shut up based on your own claims. I will be the first hypocritical dip**** in line to buy with money in hand if this concept is proven. The reality, however, is that most of us know how big and heavy the the 120v AC motor in our washing machines is, and most of us know it has no business under the hood of an internal heat combustion engine powered car.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

The younger crowd you speak of would go for the ebay garbage because it's an impulse buy for the naive who crave immediate gratification and don't care how it works.

You'd be surprised how many of us younger folks want quality. You can find some good things on eBay, just requires a lot of searching and researching on what you want.

Sadly, most of the idiots with Grand Ams buy cheap shit but that doesn't account for the majority of regulars here. Once again, mouth in foot for you. Seriously, maybe if you search outside of this thread and actually see what's been talked about here, you wouldn't be so damn foolish.

[TruGreenGAGT]

Originally Posted by Cam2Fast

Are you looking at me? Because I don't fit into that category. I would think that boost electrification would appeal to an older crowd actually. The younger crowd you speak of would go for the ebay garbage because it's an impulse buy for the naive who crave immediate gratification and don't care how it works.

please re-read post #50 then STFU and GTFO and please
Have A Nice Day!

[locoman99]

And lets compare apples to apples, lets see the math of an electric unit that can produce 15lbs of boost. Not a good comparison to compare traditional units that can produce 3-4x the boost to one that only can produce 5lbs.

[Cam2Fast]

The thing is, making that much boost would be impractical because the energy required is non linear. It's exponential (based on compressor work curves). If we cranked it up to 15 pounds, it'd look stupid (unreasonable current requirements and motor size). You'd need much larger batteries or more of them and a significantly larger/heavier motor. This is where I would say electric supers have a limitation in that they are not extreme power adders and cannot compete with conventional supers in lockstep. What they are good at is providing balance. You get decent boost equivalent to about 30% above atmospheric and some additional unique advantages you won't find anywhere else. For example, without any parasitic load on the engine at all, you now have additional headroom for advancing timing. This is because the lack of parasitic load means there is less torque on the engine, so you can spark earlier without causing a pressure spike leading to knock. Spark always has to be retarded in a boosted app but with an electric super, at the same psi levels, you can retain more spark than before, which means more power OR adding additional mods on top of it like nitrous, without penalty. Another advantage is that with reduced torque load, the engine can take more power before the internals fail from stress.

You have a good suggestion to compare equal quantities though. That's the best way to compare anything. In this case I'd recommend 5psi as the baseline though.

[klokworx]

[plastic_indian]

Cam2, the verbiage in your posts isn't characteristic of the typical jackass reposting ebay ads. But again, you are sticking your neck out for a concept that has virtually zero credibility. The regulars here aren't stupid, but are certainly well-versed at sniffing out horse**** and spam. C'mon, man, I'm trying to throw you a bone, but if you want to lend credence to this idea, you *must* have something concrete to back it up, or you'll be ridden out on the rail. This smells like total buffoonery to me, but again, history is full of 'fools' that had solid ideas that were yet unproven (or, worse yet, disproven with shoddy science or 'common knowledge'). To repeat, put up or shut up: nobody has *ever* truthfully demonstrated a practical, effective non-parasitic supercharger. If you've built a better mousetrap, you won't find a more enthusiastic crowd than you've got here with the veterans, but you had better have more than paper theories and rhetoric behind it. Show math, show 'proof in the pudding' type results, or pick a different topic.