Oil in the plenum normal?

PhantomLover007 · 04-13-2013, 12:39 PM

Maybe I'm being paranoid or just being a dumbass, but is this normal?

Just wondering since I had to replace my cat a little more than a month ago.

Fireball · 04-13-2013, 12:52 PM

somewhat, it's likely from the PCV system... make sure your PCV valve still makes noise when you shake it... if it goes bad I think you can have excessive oil consumption..

PhantomLover007 · 04-13-2013, 01:09 PM

Yeah.. It still makes noise.. I shook it when I took it off to change out the rubber piece connecting the plenum to my SC

O1GAGT · 04-13-2013, 02:04 PM

Looks normal to me.
Do you still have your EGR hooked up?

2000 GT Coupe · 04-13-2013, 02:19 PM

I could be wrong but the SC could be forcing more oil then what you would normally see with a N/A car
I think Aaron or maybe someone else said they had to switch to dual catch cans because of that.

I am fairly certain that with the pcv system all cars will get some oil up in the intake.

PhantomLover007 · 04-13-2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O1GAGT

Looks normal to me.
Do you still have your EGR hooked up?

Yeah Phil. I've never done the EGR delete even though I have the parts to do so.

unchained_01 · 04-13-2013, 07:43 PM

Matt it is just crankcase vapor buildup , totally normal Actually better than most !!! Don't worry !!

PhantomLover007 · 04-13-2013, 08:12 PM

OK. Phew. I guess it's better to ask something stupid than have something going wrong w/ the car

G.I.Ceo · 04-13-2013, 08:59 PM

This is why it's a good idea to delete the PCV and install a catch can on boosted setups. The purpose of the catch can is to capture blow by.

bricooper78 · 04-13-2013, 10:08 PM

Matt, what they're not telling you is your car is junk now. They don't want to tell you.

Might as well just give it to me, and move on

PhantomLover007 · 04-13-2013, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

This is why it's a good idea to delete the PCV and install a catch can on boosted setups. The purpose of the catch can is to capture blow by.

For SC'd or turbo'd?

2000 GT Coupe · 04-14-2013, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomLover007

For SC'd or turbo'd?

I suspect both as they both force more air in which then creates the likely hood of more air passing the rings

AaronGTR · 04-14-2013, 08:09 AM

Yeah, that looks like pretty normal build up from the PCV and EGR systems. A catch can in the PCV line would probably reduce that a good bit, but not totally eliminate it. It's not an issue though.

PhantomLover007 · 04-14-2013, 11:16 AM

Well. I guess I stripped the lower bolt/threads reattaching the elbow to the plenum yesterday. Started throwing the P0171 code (too lean), idles rough and it has a whiney air leak.. :-(

I can spin the bolt w/ just a socket head using my fingers...

Gotta go hit Pull-A-Part

kzulfic · 04-14-2013, 11:36 AM

You might have stripped the plenum itself, may need to be helicoiled.

PhantomLover007 · 04-14-2013, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kzulfic

You might have stripped the plenum itself, may need to be helicoiled.

*Tilts head and makes Scooby-Doo "Arrr?"

Never heard of them. How do they work?

kzulfic · 04-14-2013, 12:44 PM

at the scooby doo remark.

Basically its a stainless steel coil that replaces the threads. The hole needs to be drilled out and using a sti tap to insert the coil. The kit will supply you with the bolt needed too.

You can find a good read through Google that can explain it better than I can, but that's basically what it is.

PhantomLover007 · 04-14-2013, 12:54 PM

Yeah. I found a vid on YouTube.

kzulfic · 04-14-2013, 12:59 PM

AaronGTR · 04-14-2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomLover007

Well. I guess I stripped the lower bolt/threads reattaching the elbow to the plenum yesterday. Started throwing the P0171 code (too lean), idles rough and it has a whiney air leak.. :-(

I can spin the bolt w/ just a socket head using my fingers...

Gotta go hit Pull-A-Part

Quote:

Originally Posted by kzulfic

at the scooby doo remark.

Basically its a stainless steel coil that replaces the threads. The hole needs to be drilled out and using a sti tap to insert the coil. The kit will supply you with the bolt needed too.

You can find a good read through Google that can explain it better than I can, but that's basically what it is.

Yeah, helicoil might work. Also, if you have a thread tap you can drill and tap the holes deeper. I did that with mine because the bolts they used in the original SC kit didn't go all the way in the holes. I drilled and tapped them all the way through the UIM flange and bought some longer bolts to go in there. That way there is less chance of stripping them.

Might want to do that either way, whether you use a helicoil or get a new mani, or both.

04-13-2013, 12:52 PM	#2
Fireball GAGT - Member AKA: Michael Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 130 Vehicle: 2001 Malibu	somewhat, it's likely from the PCV system... make sure your PCV valve still makes noise when you shake it... if it goes bad I think you can have excessive oil consumption.. __________________ 2001 Malibu, 3100, 180 xxx km Ported & Polished UIM, 65 mm tb, CAI, 2.5 inch mandrel catback to single in dual out magnaflow muffler, OBX Headers with downpipe.

04-13-2013, 02:04 PM	#4
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	Looks normal to me. Do you still have your EGR hooked up? __________________ "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

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2000 GT Coupe Made the move :D AKA: Gene Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jax Florida Posts: 1,416 Vehicle: 00 Grand Am GT1 Coupe	I could be wrong but the SC could be forcing more oil then what you would normally see with a N/A car I think Aaron or maybe someone else said they had to switch to dual catch cans because of that. I am fairly certain that with the pcv system all cars will get some oil up in the intake. __________________ 2000 Grand Am GT1 Camaro brake upgrade Goodridge G-Stop SS brake lines MP Racing CAI and tuned PCM LED tails Projector's with HID's Lowered 18" Rims Aftermarket front and rear anti-sway bars

04-13-2013, 07:43 PM	#7
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	Matt it is just crankcase vapor buildup , totally normal Actually better than most !!! Don't worry !! __________________ Building my own concept

04-13-2013, 08:59 PM	#9
G.I.Ceo Skinny Wolfe AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 788 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am Gt	This is why it's a good idea to delete the PCV and install a catch can on boosted setups. The purpose of the catch can is to capture blow by. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT Turbocharged Garrett GT35 / Turbo Headers / 2.5" high flow DP / Custom SLP Exhaust / Ported 3500 Heads / Ported 3500 UIM/LIM / 65mm TB / Turbonetics Evolution WG / Greddy Type-RS BOV / Casper Adjustable FPR / Casper High Speed Fan Switch / Speedbuilt F/R STB's / Next Level F/R Sway bars / Eibach Springs / Dual Gauge Pod with Aeroforce Gauges / DDM 5000K HID's / Big Four Upgrade / HP Tuners and more! "Living is doing everything you want to do and dying is everything else"

04-14-2013, 08:09 AM	#13
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Yeah, that looks like pretty normal build up from the PCV and EGR systems. A catch can in the PCV line would probably reduce that a good bit, but not totally eliminate it. It's not an issue though. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

04-14-2013, 11:36 AM	#15
kzulfic GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Kameron Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Genoa, IL Age: 33 Posts: 1,116 Vehicle: 2004 Grand Am SE2	You might have stripped the plenum itself, may need to be helicoiled.

04-14-2013, 12:44 PM	#17
kzulfic GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Kameron Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Genoa, IL Age: 33 Posts: 1,116 Vehicle: 2004 Grand Am SE2	at the scooby doo remark. Basically its a stainless steel coil that replaces the threads. The hole needs to be drilled out and using a sti tap to insert the coil. The kit will supply you with the bolt needed too. You can find a good read through Google that can explain it better than I can, but that's basically what it is.

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