G.I.Ceo's Turbo Build! - Page 7

G.I.Ceo · 04-19-2013, 06:27 AM

Yeah I talk to Milzy every few days. The amount I have to clear is very minimum and will only take me about 15 minutes to do the work. The setup cleared extremely well and is a huge improvement over stock. I wish people understood how good these DTRC are because then maybe they would be readily available all the time. I was very lucky to get mine when I did.

sleepyalero · 04-19-2013, 12:40 PM

i just went to his shop last monday and picked me up a DRTC.

think you already knew that though from my turbo thread on amod.

G.I.Ceo · 04-19-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

i just went to his shop last monday and picked me up a DRTC.

think you already knew that though from my turbo thread on amod.

Yeah I seen that. Your lucky you got one when you did because they are now gone. They are well worth the money especially if your going boost.

sleepyalero · 04-19-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

Yeah I seen that. Your lucky you got one when you did because they are now gone. They are well worth the money especially if your going boost.

yeah thats why i jumped on it, because now they wont be available for a few years. it costs mark to much money to make em and he doesnt have enough buyers to make good profit off of them.

PhantomLover007 · 04-19-2013, 03:13 PM

Drtc = ?

unchained_01 · 04-19-2013, 03:22 PM

Double Roller Timing Chain

AaronGTR · 04-19-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

I dremeled the crankshaft and sprocket so it would slide flush. Once I had everything torqued I hand tightened the timing cover and checked if and where the chain would rub. Tomorrow I will grind on the timing cover to help with the clearance so it doesn't bind. I also grinded flush two plugs on the block to help with clearance of the chain.

I do have a LS1 MAF but I am going to run a AFC on the stock one first to see if I max it out. What I've been told that using the AFC on my stock MAF will take care of the maxing out the tables. I also changed my injectors to flow matched 60's.

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Originally Posted by HOYS

AFC will get you so far and you will lose drive ability because of the smaller resolution the AFC gives the MAF.

I agree with HOYS on this. An AFC is really just a band-aid. It's something you do if you have no other way to fix the problem. Realistically, if you are flowing enough air to max out the MAF or getting close, then it's small enough to be causing flow restriction. Running the bigger MAF will give you more flow potential without having to resort to "black boxes" to tweak the MAF signal and try and trick the PCM. You are better off leaving the MAF signal alone since it is calibrated to accurately tell the PCM how much air is coming in. If you have a tuner, you can easily switch to the LS1 MAF and simply cut/paste the table for it.

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Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

Yeah I seen that. Your lucky you got one when you did because they are now gone. They are well worth the money especially if your going boost.

Boost or not has absolutely nothing to do with it. The only thing that will significantly affect the chain stretch is switching to stiffer valve springs and a bigger cam.

sleepyalero · 04-19-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

I installed my DRTC today. The pictures show it installed and the difference between the stock chain and the awesome DRTC. I couldn't believe how loose the stock chain was and that it was as small as it is. I will have more updates coming because I have a ton of stuff to install.
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Originally Posted by PhantomLover007

Drtc = ?

that... ^

G.I.Ceo · 04-19-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronGTR

I agree with HOYS on this. An AFC is really just a band-aid. It's something you do if you have no other way to fix the problem. Realistically, if you are flowing enough air to max out the MAF or getting close, then it's small enough to be causing flow restriction. Running the bigger MAF will give you more flow potential without having to resort to "black boxes" to tweak the MAF signal and try and trick the PCM. You are better off leaving the MAF signal alone since it is calibrated to accurately tell the PCM how much air is coming in. If you have a tuner, you can easily switch to the LS1 MAF and simply cut/paste the table for it.

Boost or not has absolutely nothing to do with it. The only thing that will significantly affect the chain stretch is switching to stiffer valve springs and a bigger cam.

I do have a LS1 MAF and HP Tuners Pro. I'm going to run stock first with the AFC, and a tune and see where it goes. If I do max out the tables then I will switch over to the LS1 MAF.

HOYS · 04-19-2013, 07:24 PM

I've never seen flow numbers for a MAF so I'm not sure that actually maxing out the electrical component of a MAF will signal that you are reaching the maximum amount of air that can go through the MAF.

I recommend the LS1 MAF just because of the "resolution" that it provides over the AFC. The AFC is guessing and just bit shifting numbers over to make it a static value more or less than what the MAF is actually reading. Also AFCs do break, leaving your MAF to allow the ECU to dummmmmmmmmmmmp fuel into your engine (think if your MAF is always 12% high and you can't tell exactly without scanning).

Just do the LS1 MAF and ditch the stock.

AaronGTR · 04-19-2013, 07:45 PM

You can be flowing enough air that it isn't at it's max possible flow, but it's still creating enough flow restriction to cost power.

Anyway, I also still say don't even mess with the AFC. It's a waste of time and money. Put the LS1 MAF in, tune, done.

Fireball · 04-19-2013, 08:51 PM

How many miles on your motor that the chain is stretched? I don't seen any mods related to valve train in your sig?

Just curious as I've got lsx springs on mine... gotta wonder how loose things are getting!

G.I.Ceo · 04-21-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fireball

How many miles on your motor that the chain is stretched? I don't seen any mods related to valve train in your sig?

Just curious as I've got lsx springs on mine... gotta wonder how loose things are getting!

I have 78,000 miles on it. Internals on this motor are stock. The only change is that I will be running ported 3500 heads with LS6 springs, and ported UIM/LIM 3500 manifolds.

G.I.Ceo · 04-21-2013, 12:58 PM

Well I got the timing chain cover modified and installed today. Wasn't to bad it just took time making sure that the chain wouldn't rub the cover anymore.

After I installed the timing chain cover I also installed the new upgraded motor mount from MMS. I also I have a upgraded trans mount from MMS that I haven't installed yet.

sleepyalero · 04-21-2013, 01:05 PM

that motor mount is sweet, and great. i love mine.

cant say about the trans mount cause i have the 6 speed mounts, but im sure you'll be pleased.

G.I.Ceo · 04-21-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

that motor mount is sweet, and great. i love mine.

cant say about the trans mount cause i have the 6 speed mounts, but im sure you'll be pleased.

The trans mount is made very well. I cant wait to have this project done. I have put so much time and energy into this. I will say I am a little jealous that you have a stick shift. I miss driving a stick so much. Having a turboed car with a stick would just be awesome. Once this is all done I will start to figure what I am going to do about the tranny. Maybe I will make that into the next winter project.

sleepyalero · 04-21-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by G.I.Ceo

The trans mount is made very well. I cant wait to have this project done. I have put so much time and energy into this. I will say I am a little jealous that you have a stick shift. I miss driving a stick so much. Having a turboed car with a stick would just be awesome. Once this is all done I will start to figure what I am going to do about the tranny. Maybe I will make that into the next winter project.

im jealous of your turbo build... mine will come together soon enough, but yes the 6 speed is great and his custom mounts for it are far from fantastic. very happy to have the 3400 with a 6 speed. in a turbo build i wouldnt mind an auto for it, but the 6 speed would just be icing on the cake.

only bad thing is most bottom end jobs on the motor, the tranny has to come out with the motor.

G.I.Ceo · 04-21-2013, 03:52 PM

Here's a pic of some of the trans mount.

sleepyalero · 04-21-2013, 04:12 PM

ive seen it on his site but not a real photo, thats really nice.

G.I.Ceo · 04-21-2013, 04:22 PM

Luckily I bought a new trans mount. Mine was completely destroyed and I didn't even know it.

Heres a pic of the two side by side.

04-19-2013, 06:27 AM	#121
G.I.Ceo Skinny Wolfe AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 788 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am Gt	Yeah I talk to Milzy every few days. The amount I have to clear is very minimum and will only take me about 15 minutes to do the work. The setup cleared extremely well and is a huge improvement over stock. I wish people understood how good these DTRC are because then maybe they would be readily available all the time. I was very lucky to get mine when I did. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT Turbocharged Garrett GT35 / Turbo Headers / 2.5" high flow DP / Custom SLP Exhaust / Ported 3500 Heads / Ported 3500 UIM/LIM / 65mm TB / Turbonetics Evolution WG / Greddy Type-RS BOV / Casper Adjustable FPR / Casper High Speed Fan Switch / Speedbuilt F/R STB's / Next Level F/R Sway bars / Eibach Springs / Dual Gauge Pod with Aeroforce Gauges / DDM 5000K HID's / Big Four Upgrade / HP Tuners and more! "Living is doing everything you want to do and dying is everything else"

04-19-2013, 12:40 PM	#122
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	i just went to his shop last monday and picked me up a DRTC. think you already knew that though from my turbo thread on amod. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

04-19-2013, 03:22 PM	#126
unchained_01 Manic Mechanic AKA: albert Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cumberland md Age: 59 Posts: 677 Vehicle: 2003 grand am gt	Double Roller Timing Chain __________________ Building my own concept

04-19-2013, 07:45 PM	#131
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	You can be flowing enough air that it isn't at it's max possible flow, but it's still creating enough flow restriction to cost power. Anyway, I also still say don't even mess with the AFC. It's a waste of time and money. Put the LS1 MAF in, tune, done. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

04-19-2013, 08:51 PM	#132
Fireball GAGT - Member AKA: Michael Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 130 Vehicle: 2001 Malibu	How many miles on your motor that the chain is stretched? I don't seen any mods related to valve train in your sig? Just curious as I've got lsx springs on mine... gotta wonder how loose things are getting! __________________ 2001 Malibu, 3100, 180 xxx km Ported & Polished UIM, 65 mm tb, CAI, 2.5 inch mandrel catback to single in dual out magnaflow muffler, OBX Headers with downpipe.

04-19-2013, 07:24 PM	#130
HOYS lolGM AKA: Colin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 1,102 Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS	I've never seen flow numbers for a MAF so I'm not sure that actually maxing out the electrical component of a MAF will signal that you are reaching the maximum amount of air that can go through the MAF. I recommend the LS1 MAF just because of the "resolution" that it provides over the AFC. The AFC is guessing and just bit shifting numbers over to make it a static value more or less than what the MAF is actually reading. Also AFCs do break, leaving your MAF to allow the ECU to dummmmmmmmmmmmp fuel into your engine (think if your MAF is always 12% high and you can't tell exactly without scanning). Just do the LS1 MAF and ditch the stock.

04-21-2013, 12:58 PM	#134
G.I.Ceo Skinny Wolfe AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 788 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am Gt	Well I got the timing chain cover modified and installed today. Wasn't to bad it just took time making sure that the chain wouldn't rub the cover anymore. After I installed the timing chain cover I also installed the new upgraded motor mount from MMS. I also I have a upgraded trans mount from MMS that I haven't installed yet. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT Turbocharged Garrett GT35 / Turbo Headers / 2.5" high flow DP / Custom SLP Exhaust / Ported 3500 Heads / Ported 3500 UIM/LIM / 65mm TB / Turbonetics Evolution WG / Greddy Type-RS BOV / Casper Adjustable FPR / Casper High Speed Fan Switch / Speedbuilt F/R STB's / Next Level F/R Sway bars / Eibach Springs / Dual Gauge Pod with Aeroforce Gauges / DDM 5000K HID's / Big Four Upgrade / HP Tuners and more! "Living is doing everything you want to do and dying is everything else" Last edited by G.I.Ceo; 04-21-2013 at 01:01 PM.

04-21-2013, 01:05 PM	#135
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	that motor mount is sweet, and great. i love mine. cant say about the trans mount cause i have the 6 speed mounts, but im sure you'll be pleased. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

04-21-2013, 03:52 PM	#138
G.I.Ceo Skinny Wolfe AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 788 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am Gt	Here's a pic of some of the trans mount. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT Turbocharged Garrett GT35 / Turbo Headers / 2.5" high flow DP / Custom SLP Exhaust / Ported 3500 Heads / Ported 3500 UIM/LIM / 65mm TB / Turbonetics Evolution WG / Greddy Type-RS BOV / Casper Adjustable FPR / Casper High Speed Fan Switch / Speedbuilt F/R STB's / Next Level F/R Sway bars / Eibach Springs / Dual Gauge Pod with Aeroforce Gauges / DDM 5000K HID's / Big Four Upgrade / HP Tuners and more! "Living is doing everything you want to do and dying is everything else"

04-21-2013, 04:12 PM	#139
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	ive seen it on his site but not a real photo, thats really nice. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

04-21-2013, 04:22 PM	#140
G.I.Ceo Skinny Wolfe AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Age: 41 Posts: 788 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am Gt	Luckily I bought a new trans mount. Mine was completely destroyed and I didn't even know it. Heres a pic of the two side by side. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT Turbocharged Garrett GT35 / Turbo Headers / 2.5" high flow DP / Custom SLP Exhaust / Ported 3500 Heads / Ported 3500 UIM/LIM / 65mm TB / Turbonetics Evolution WG / Greddy Type-RS BOV / Casper Adjustable FPR / Casper High Speed Fan Switch / Speedbuilt F/R STB's / Next Level F/R Sway bars / Eibach Springs / Dual Gauge Pod with Aeroforce Gauges / DDM 5000K HID's / Big Four Upgrade / HP Tuners and more! "Living is doing everything you want to do and dying is everything else" Last edited by G.I.Ceo; 04-22-2013 at 08:16 AM.