Deleting ABS - Page 2

2000 GT Coupe · 04-29-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

What does age have to do with anything? It's a safetno absy feature that actually helps the car stop quicker. The stock brakes on these cars are junk as is, they need all the stopping power they can get.

What is asking us how many of you started driving using the 70s or early 80s cars.

To add to this, when I started driving they taught us never to "panic stop"
If you needed to stop fast you quickly pumped the pedal or you held it at the point right before your brakes locked up. Obviously now people just jam the pedal to the floor and never give it any regard to how it stops.

PhantomLover007 · 04-29-2013, 01:44 PM

ABS is designed to keep the brakes from locking up by "braking and unbraking" many times faster than a human could pump the brakes so you can maintain control of the vehicle and not wind up locking up your brakes and ending up being a missile.

_HeC_ · 04-29-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000 GT Coupe

What is asking us how many of you started driving using the 70s or early 80s cars.

To add to this, when I started driving they taught us never to "panic stop"
If you needed to stop fast you quickly pumped the pedal or you held it at the point right before your brakes locked up. Obviously now people just jam the pedal to the floor and never give it any regard to how it stops.

^yup and cars in the 90s and 2000s

i learned to drive on NON-ABS vehicles and its not hard to pump your brakes in a sticky situation, hell ive had more closer calls with ABS vehicles locking up when they shouldnt because of a electrical issue... what ever happened to KISS? Keep It Simple Stupid

[ChaosweaveR] · 04-29-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by _HeC_

^yup and cars in the 90s and 2000s

i learned to drive on NON-ABS vehicles and its not hard to pump your brakes in a sticky situation, hell ive had more closer calls with ABS vehicles locking up when they shouldnt because of a electrical issue... what ever happened to KISS? Keep It Simple Stupid

I'd like to see you make a non-ABS equipped car stop quicker than a car with ABS.

I already know the answer: you can't.

HURR DURR I REJECT TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES CUZ I LIKE OLD SCHOOL HURR. Shut up.

2000 GT Coupe · 04-29-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomLover007

ABS is designed to keep the brakes from locking up by "braking and unbraking" many times faster than a human could pump the brakes so you can maintain control of the vehicle and not wind up locking up your brakes and ending up being a missile.

I like abs, but I can see many situations where it is troublesome. Fixing it is a pain in the ass. See the many threads on abs problems

I try not to rely on it too much. In many cars, the grand am is one the design is not always good enough to adequately deal with every situation.

My SVX is another that the abs is not as good. I have had the car try to roll out into other cars because the abs was acting up. and by that I mean it was working to its design but it was not working as real world says it should.
For example If one tire locks up it releases all tires.

O1GAGT · 04-29-2013, 08:37 PM

I have never been a fan of ABS or traction control features at low speeds under wet or icy conditions. On the other side, I personally see ABS as a potential benefit at mid to high speeds on dry/wet roads under a panic stop where you have a greater risk of locking up the brakes.

ABS or not, it is important to know how your car will react under all types of driving conditions. In the end it is all depends drivers ability to control the vehicle.

_HeC_ · 04-29-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by [ChaosweaveR]

HURR DURR I REJECT TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES CUZ I LIKE OLD SCHOOL HURR. Shut up.

You would think being 26yrs old you would be a bit more mature, your probably the cool guy that added the racist tag to this thread too

bricooper78 · 04-29-2013, 10:00 PM

yea, that's his spelling alright...

in dry conditions, bald tires w/out ABS stop fastest.

unfortunately, that's not all the weather you're probably going to drive in.. but if you want to disco it, you'll need to run all new lines to a booster with 4 connections. It's pretty simple, I don't understand it, why you'd do it, I think it's insane, but all you're doing is running new metal hose from the booster to the caliper hose on the strut.

SikMindz · 04-30-2013, 03:18 AM

While you're at it other things to remove to keep things simple:
- automatic windows
- A/C unit
- power steering
- air bags
- head rests
- spare tire
- rear seats
- passenger seat
- cupholders
- radio

...because who needs'em?

_HeC_ · 04-30-2013, 03:59 AM

Actually power steering is something I've been looking at getting rid of aswell, I'd LOVE a manual rack in a GA but clearly that's not a easy option but might have something up my sleeve

spare tire would be getting tossed aswell, doubt it would clear my brakes

sleepyalero · 04-30-2013, 04:14 AM

Sht that reminds me, I might as well take out my spare, my baers def won't clear it.

[ChaosweaveR] · 04-30-2013, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by _HeC_

You would think being 26yrs old you would be a bit more mature, your probably the cool guy that added the racist tag to this thread too

I love how you automatically assume it's me.

But hey, now you've got your panties in a bunch because I mocked you over your mindset. Now you need to deflect, huh? Cute.

geldartb · 04-30-2013, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SikMindz

While you're at it other things to remove to keep things simple:
- automatic windows
- A/C unit
- power steering
- air bags
- head rests
- spare tire
- rear seats
- passenger seat
- cupholders
- radio

...because who needs'em?

- bitch please roll down the windows yourself
- eh sweat a little
- who needs them
- bulk up those forearms
- eh useless car item
- who uses those things anyway. that's what AAA is for
- don't use the damn thing anyway..
- make them sit on the floor
- that's what the passenger sitting on the floor is for
- loud exhaust no need for a radio.

rocketfast123 · 04-30-2013, 08:07 AM

If you have to ask how to disable the system, you might want to keep it.

_HeC_ · 04-30-2013, 12:33 PM

i didnt ask how to disable it, i asked if any came factory without it and what else is tied into it electronically. If i can handle real Canadian winters with no ABS im not to worried about a grand am in the summer months

GM's ABS is garbage for the most part, maybe they have made it better in newer models but im not a fan of it. Some manufactures actually make a very useful and well designed ABS system but not GM IMO

AleroB888 · 04-30-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

thats what everyone says then boom! some idiot slams on there brakes in front of you and you slam on the brakes but all you do is skid tires into his rear end. ..."

Don't tailgate

geldartb · 04-30-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

thats what everyone says then boom! some idiot slams on there brakes in front of you and you slam on the brakes but all you do is skid tires into his rear end.

i bet you are the type that tailgate's and then get's pissed when the guy in front does this to you.

sleepyalero · 04-30-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by geldartb

i bet you are the type that tailgate's and then get's pissed when the guy in front does this to you.

you think i tailgate in a car i love to death?

nah i keep my distance.

04-29-2013, 08:37 PM	#26
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	I have never been a fan of ABS or traction control features at low speeds under wet or icy conditions. On the other side, I personally see ABS as a potential benefit at mid to high speeds on dry/wet roads under a panic stop where you have a greater risk of locking up the brakes. ABS or not, it is important to know how your car will react under all types of driving conditions. In the end it is all depends drivers ability to control the vehicle. __________________ "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

04-30-2013, 03:59 AM	#30
_HeC_ GAGT - Member AKA: Mike Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: London ON Posts: 375 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am GT	Actually power steering is something I've been looking at getting rid of aswell, I'd LOVE a manual rack in a GA but clearly that's not a easy option but might have something up my sleeve spare tire would be getting tossed aswell, doubt it would clear my brakes Last edited by _HeC_; 04-30-2013 at 04:03 AM.

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sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	Sht that reminds me, I might as well take out my spare, my baers def won't clear it. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

04-30-2013, 12:33 PM	#35
_HeC_ GAGT - Member AKA: Mike Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: London ON Posts: 375 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am GT	i didnt ask how to disable it, i asked if any came factory without it and what else is tied into it electronically. If i can handle real Canadian winters with no ABS im not to worried about a grand am in the summer months GM's ABS is garbage for the most part, maybe they have made it better in newer models but im not a fan of it. Some manufactures actually make a very useful and well designed ABS system but not GM IMO