Performance help???

[Metallman56]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

Just do the 3800S/C swap all you need is a 2004 montecarlo ss wiring harness engine and transmission, axles the dog bone mounts should work. You will need custom engine mounts you could probably get some from Milzy motor sports.

should work, and is practical are 2 very different things.

can you swap a supercharged 3800 into a g/a, yes

should you? hell no

why



because you will have to cut a hole out of your hood to run it OR not run a hood at all.

it is this reason that everyone knows but you.

now maybe your 1 of the 13 people on earth that thinks its a good idea. i'm cool with that. just don't expect him (or anyone else) to do "50" hours of work on their car only to have it not fit even a little.

this is why your catching such hell in here. because it appears everyone knows how dumb of an idea it is but you.

hell for 50 hours of work, you could put a ls1 in and make it rear wheel drive. probably for close to the same price.

no Im not saying anyone should put a ls1 in this car. though it would be awesome I think most of us would agree the chances of you getting it right and not burning something (axel, driveshaft) up over and over are pretty slim. its really not worth the effort, though would be sweet, and not stick 1' out of the hood.

[TDavis]

Dunno what in the fk he did to build that engine^

3.8 S/C in a '99 Cavalier.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Newer J-body with a V6?

Lame.

Buy a W-body if an L67/L32 gives you such a hard on.

[blckgagt]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

should work, and is practical are 2 very different things.

can you swap a supercharged 3800 into a g/a, yes

should you? hell no

why



because you will have to cut a hole out of your hood to run it OR not run a hood at all.

it is this reason that everyone knows but you.

now maybe your 1 of the 13 people on earth that thinks its a good idea. i'm cool with that. just don't expect him (or anyone else) to do "50" hours of work on their car only to have it not fit even a little.

this is why your catching such hell in here. because it appears everyone knows how dumb of an idea it is but you.

hell for 50 hours of work, you could put a ls1 in and make it rear wheel drive. probably for close to the same price.

no Im not saying anyone should put a ls1 in this car. though it would be awesome I think most of us would agree the chances of you getting it right and not burning something (axel, driveshaft) up over and over are pretty slim. its really not worth the effort, though would be sweet, and not stick 1' out of the hood.

That looks like a LA1 to me with a top mounted supercharger from the 3800. Either way, the LA1 will put far more power for the money it'd take to swap to the 3800 engine.

[[ChaosweaveR]]

Holy crap, you're right. It is an LA1.

I'm saving this pic to shut up stupid noobs that bring up anymore "can I use a 3800 supercharger you guise?" threads.

But even with an L67/L32 swap, you have the same bloody issue.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

Just do the 3800S/C swap all you need is a 2004 montecarlo ss wiring harness engine and transmission, axles the dog bone mounts should work. You will need custom engine mounts you could probably get some from Milzy motor sports.

The stupidity you continue to put out continues to amaze me.


It's not that simple. There's a lot more you need than that, and making the electronics work is not simple either. The few people who have done this swap never got it to work completely or properly, never got good results, and spent too much money.

You can get the same amount of power from a 3400 for less money. Mod for mod at the same boost level a 3400 makes more power because it's a more efficient and better designed engine. If I really wanted to make a fast n-body I'd do a manual swap and throw a turbo on it long before I did a 3800 s/c swap.

[bricooper78]

This thread is exactly why I think there are a few with multiple accounts. One (generally newbie) asks things that verge on being a troll, but doing it veiled enough to appear sincere, to then get answers, generally on fairly hot-topic debate materials, and one of the local froot-loops comes along to get a flame war started and completely derail what may or may not be an actual "hey help me out with some questions" thread.

Anyone else seeing this? Or am I just THAT cynical?

[bricooper78]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

Im not trying to put anyone in any place I'm just here.

then drop it.

we've had some pretty good laughs together, you (i'm pretty sure on purpose) lobbed up some dingers, let me swing away, made some huge laughs.
why not do that too? that's basically what I do here, I'm not building crap! i'm not one of the old timers that built the stuff already, i'm just here to nose through the data, and get some chuckles and have a good time hanging around.

why's that so hard? instead of taking it all so serious, take a blow, give a blow.

hell my mom's been doing it that way for 50 years

but for real, c'mon, this is sooooo dammed old, it takes 2 to start it, 3 to make a flame war, don't be the 3rd.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

You are not worth my time little kid. Aaron can eat a bag a dix for all I care. People come to this website to get I formation not to be yelled at and cursed at or downing people. If you never joined this site everything would be a whole lot different.

Well, if I was going to eat a bag of dix, I certainly wouldn't come to see you because you don't have one little kid. You don't have a spine either, or any automotive knowledge. Anyone coming to this site for information won't listen to you because you don't know wtf you are talking about. I've been on this site since 2002. I've seen more things done to these cars, and done more on mine, than you will EVER do on ANY car.


Do you want to shut up now, or would you like to continue?



On to other matters. Matt already deleted a bunch of posts on this thread. I'm gonna go delete the rest of the posts now that are not in any way helpful or providing useful information to the OP. Any further BS will result in points issued, and bans if necessary. I'm not kidding. I don't appreciate having to waste time doing this at 12:30 at night. Chaos has received warnings and been banned before. He doesn't receive preferential treatment here in any way. Some of the rest of you have been banned before too, and will be again. Do not test me on this.


EDIT: wow, 7 pages of nonsense condensed down to 3 pages of actual useful information for the OP. Going through deleting all those pointless posts was not fun. Seriously, next time I'm not going to bother. I'm just gonna start issuing warnings until you're all banned.

[3800L67GAM]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Well, if I was going to eat a bag of dix, I certainly wouldn't come to see you because you don't have one little kid. You don't have a spine either, or any automotive knowledge. Anyone coming to this site for information won't listen to you because you don't know wtf you are talking about. I've been on this site since 2002. I've seen more things done to these cars, and done more on mine, than you will EVER do on ANY car.


Do you want to shut up now, or would you like to continue?



On to other matters. Matt already deleted a bunch of posts on this thread. I'm gonna go delete the rest of the posts now that are not in any way helpful or providing useful information to the OP. Any further BS will result in points issued, and bans if necessary. I'm not kidding. I don't appreciate having to waste time doing this at 12:30 at night. Chaos has received warnings and been banned before. He doesn't receive preferential treatment here in any way. Some of the rest of you have been banned before too, and will be again. Do not test me on this.


EDIT: wow, 7 pages of nonsense condensed down to 3 pages of actual useful information for the OP. Going through deleting all those pointless posts was not fun. Seriously, next time I'm not going to bother. I'm just gonna start issuing warnings until you're all banned.

I was just giving the op the info I got from a guy that has an alero that did the 3800L67 swap it's useful information we have a thread on the swap on a different site. aleromod.com

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

I was just giving the op the info I got from a guy that has an alero that did the 3800L67 swap it's useful information we have a thread on the swap on a different site. aleromod.com

The info is not correct. I've seen the swap done and seen the results. Drop it.

[3800L67GAM]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

The info is not correct. I've seen the swap done and seen the results. Drop it.

Where did you see this swap take place.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

Where did you see this swap at?

two grand ams on here, and a guy with an alero on 60v6.com. One guy used the gtp pcm and it wouldn't run his gauge cluster so he had no gauges. Also had to bypass the security since it wouldn't work with his BCM and wouldn't turn on the fuel pump. Only ran mid 14's in the quarter. Never could get it running right so he sold it. The other guy had to wire in two pcms to run in tandem. Spent a ton of time and money doing it. Still was slow.

Besides the electrical issues involved, there is still the custom mounts and axles, exhaust/intake, and everything else. It's just not a cost effective swap. You can upgrade the 4T45 trans or swap in a manual, and mod the 3400 or a 3500, and get more power for the same amount of money. Plus it fits the engine bay better and doesn't add as much weight to front of the car. The 3800/4T65 combo is like dropping a boat anchor in the front of your car. It's an outdated powertrain.

[3800L67GAM]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

two grand ams on here, and a guy with an alero on 60v6.com. One guy used the gtp pcm and it wouldn't run his gauge cluster so he had no gauges. Also had to bypass the security since it wouldn't work with his BCM and wouldn't turn on the fuel pump. Only ran mid 14's in the quarter. Never could get it running right so he sold it. The other guy had to wire in two pcms to run in tandem. Spent a ton of time and money doing it. Still was slow.

Besides the electrical issues involved, there is still the custom mounts and axles, exhaust/intake, and everything else. It's just not a cost effective swap. You can upgrade the 4T45 trans or swap in a manual, and mod the 3400 or a 3500, and get more power for the same amount of money. Plus it fits the engine bay better and doesn't add as much weight to front of the car. The 3800/4T65 combo is like dropping a boat anchor in the front of your car. It's an outdated powertrain.

The alero guy said his car runs just fine. And with the gauge cluster he said it would be possible to use the 04 monte PCM for the gauges to work is that true??


This is his post on alero mod: it's doable guys... it can even be done in one week if he wants to keep it automatic... just that he 'll need to gather some specific parts before tackling this project

- a montecarlo ss 2004 only pcm... (this is the only pcm that makes the cluster works on our car... I found that AFTER I bought 2500$ of autometer gauge...)
- the mms 4t65 tranny mounts for n-body
- HPtuner...
- someone really good with wiring (like me)
- a good welder
- some custom stuff of course wil need to be done like exhaust, pass. side motor mount
- front dogbone can be modded to fit
- custom radiator hose
- it will work with the stock fuel pump but I do not recommend it, I recommend a ZZP one

all in all it will be a 50hr+ job and on top of the 550$ parts car, you'll need another 2500-3000$

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by 3800L67GAM

The alero guy said his car runs just fine. And with the gauge cluster he said it would be possible to use the 04 monte PCM for the gauges to work is that true??


This is his post on alero mod: it's doable guys... it can even be done in one week if he wants to keep it automatic... just that he 'll need to gather some specific parts before tackling this project

- a montecarlo ss 2004 only pcm... (this is the only pcm that makes the cluster works on our car... I found that AFTER I bought 2500$ of autometer gauge...)
- the mms 4t65 tranny mounts for n-body
- HPtuner...
- someone really good with wiring (like me)
- a good welder
- some custom stuff of course wil need to be done like exhaust, pass. side motor mount
- front dogbone can be modded to fit
- custom radiator hose
- it will work with the stock fuel pump but I do not recommend it, I recommend a ZZP one

all in all it will be a 50hr+ job and on top of the 550$ parts car, you'll need another 2500-3000$

I have seen no evidence of any of this, and until I do I stand by what I said earlier. Plus you are assuming that people can find the parts you are listing at the prices you claim. I HIGHLY doubt you will find a donor car anywhere for close to $500. Most insurance salvage prices on those cars are $2-3k. Even if you buy the engine and trans separate, the pcm separate, etc.... it will still be way over that. You typically can't find even just a 3800 S/C in good condition/low miles for less than $800. Plus the cost of the other custom fabrication work. And you still are adding a heavier, older engine/trans to the front end of an already front heavy understeer prone car. And you don't have any time slips or dyno sheets.

I still maintain the other course is cheaper and more effective.

[MAC the KNIFE]

Originally Posted by Metallman56

is that dash from a GA? it looks like he used a can of foam insulation to glue a grand am's dash/guages.

i would expect nothing less from the honey badger that strapped an m90 blower on to his 3400