BJP's M62 SC Build

[mfuller]

Originally Posted by BJPbrandon2448

I'm trying to close this one out guys... And final thoughts on what is pictured? I'm just super excited knowing how rare these chargers were and I'm starting to realize that this is basically about my last opportunity to own one, does it appear that everything is here? Also Iv'e been communicating with Milzy because I just bought all of these N/A performance parts for the build I was planning on doing!

Will this stuff be somewhat compatible with the Eaton???
S&S Ceramic coated headers
Wot-tech Stage 2 heads
Wot-tech Stage 2 Cam
65mm T.C.E. Throttle body
#36lb Injectors... The GTP ones I believe?
My other exhaust and intake mods shouldn't affect anything, right?

Congratulations on your purchase!
If there was a way to correctly tune for them back when I had my supercharger, I might still have it.
Those cylinder heads will work well with the supercharger but I'm not so sure about the cam. There might be a bit too much overlap for forced induction. You'll want the larger fuel injectors and as noted, the headers will work fine also. You will probably have to open up the inlet casting for the supercharger to make it work with a larger throttle body.

[BJPbrandon2448]

Well now I'm not sure what to do? Iv'e been in contact with Mike at Milzy because he is gonna be the guy doing my build, and he just told me to save my money that it isn't worth it? Could someone please elaborate??? Thanks guys

[bricooper78]

I'd take a supercharged 3.4 over any NA.

[BJPbrandon2448]

Originally Posted by bricooper78

I'd take a supercharged 3.4 over any NA.

Well the problem is, I already have all of my parts for the N/A build that I am doing on 9/15! I want to know if having the supercharger along with what I already have would be worth it? Or even do any good for that matter? Hopefully someone can help me! Lol

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by BJPbrandon2448

Well now I'm not sure what to do? Iv'e been in contact with Mike at Milzy because he is gonna be the guy doing my build, and he just told me to save my money that it isn't worth it? Could someone please elaborate??? Thanks guys

That seems like an odd thing to say, considering the cost and complexity of a turbo build. It takes far more mods to turbo the car, which take more "cutting up" of the body parts.

The supercharger is more forgiving of tuning errors, there is a lot less that can go wrong, hence better reliability. The SC will run hot in the Summer, more so than a turbo, but there are ways to deal with that.

As the O/P said this is not for the faint of heart, but that applies to any aftermarket boosted build.

Do you already have headers? If so then definitely get the SC. If not, add header cost to the SC cost, compare that total to Mike's turbo build price.

When I bought mine from John in CO, I drove to his place in the morning, he installed it in one day, I drove it home that night. That's with a stock vehicle.

The only thing I would ask is the seller to tell you if there is too much play in the drive coupler -- grab the pulley and rotate it back and forth, and see if it has excessive movement before it turns the rotors. Some slack is normal.

[mfuller]

If you take a car with forced induction, put it next to a naturally aspirated car, and they both run the same time, the naturally aspirated car likely has 2-3 times the amount of $$$ in it to make it run the same time as the supercharged car.

[BJPbrandon2448]

Thanks Greg, most helpful person so far I really appreciate it! I'm gonna give you the full rundown of the currents parts I have and then maybe you guys could sort through and give me some insight to what works and what wont work!

K&N Cold Air Intake
65mm T.C.E. Billet Throttle Body
Ported and Polished Upper and Lower Intake Manifolds
#36lb GTP Injectors
Wot-tech Stage 2 Heads
Wot-tech Stage 2 Camshaft
S&S ceramic coated headers with flex pipe
Pacesetter cat-back exhaust
QTP Electric Exhaust Cut-out

[Smithkid21]

Originally Posted by BJPbrandon2448

Thanks Greg, most helpful person so far I really appreciate it! I'm gonna give you the full rundown of the currents parts I have and then maybe you guys could sort through and give me some insight to what works and what wont work!

K&N Cold Air Intake
65mm T.C.E. Billet Throttle Body
Ported and Polished Upper and Lower Intake Manifolds
#36lb GTP Injectors
Wot-tech Stage 2 Heads
Wot-tech Stage 2 Camshaft
S&S ceramic coated headers with flex pipe
Pacesetter cat-back exhaust
QTP Electric Exhaust Cut-out

Brandon, you have one of the nicest/cleanest Grand Am's around; you owe it to yourself to get this kit. I don't know much about modding these cars, but I say you should get this kit regardless of whether or not all your current parts work with it. It would definitely complete your car.

[bricooper78]

AJ is a smart man, listen to him.


If I had 2K sitting here in my pocket, this wouldn't be up for sale. These are rare, and hard to get ahold of for a reason: they work, and they're meant to work with this motor/car... not a DIY make it fit kit for a turbo.


Buy it

[Danspeed1]

Realistically, reading these posts it doesn't seem as though you are fully confident or committed in your decision to purchase this setup. We spoke earlier today about a deposit and my paypal account is still empty. I understand this is a big decision as I was just in your shoes a couple of weeks ago. I would be glad to give you another day to confer with Milzy Motorsports on whether or not this setup is going to be beneficial to you, however as I mentioned during our PM's... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be considerate of myself and the other interested parties as until I receive a deposit I will consider the item still for sale and it will be offered as such.


With that said... I stand by my previous post.

K&N Cold Air Intake
65mm T.C.E. Billet Throttle Body
Ported and Polished Upper and Lower Intake Manifolds
#36lb GTP Injectors
Wot-tech Stage 2 Heads

S&S ceramic coated headers with flex pipe
Pacesetter cat-back exhaust

Trash the cam and the cutouts, raise the boost and add meth and your trampling most V8's.

DG

[O1GAGT]

I would personally check with WOT-Tech for a recommendation on supercharger cam or just run the stock cam with the supercharger.

Also I would advise that you install the supercharger yourself as Milzy charged Phil H. that had the polished M62 kit on his orange 04 GAGT $700+ to install his.

[Slinky]

A sc cam from milzy should add around 30-40hp at 6-8psi, its worth it

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by BJPbrandon2448

Thanks Greg, most helpful person so far I really appreciate it! I'm gonna give you the full rundown of the currents parts I have and then maybe you guys could sort through and give me some insight to what works and what wont work!

K&N Cold Air Intake
65mm T.C.E. Billet Throttle Body
Ported and Polished Upper and Lower Intake Manifolds
#36lb GTP Injectors
Wot-tech Stage 2 Heads
Wot-tech Stage 2 Camshaft
S&S ceramic coated headers with flex pipe
Pacesetter cat-back exhaust
QTP Electric Exhaust Cut-out

You have some options here.

I would get the supercharger, have Mike do the basic build except for the cam and the intake (CAI). That should save a bit of labor cost.

Then install the supercharger yourself, or have Mike do it at a later date, if he doesn't have time set aside at the current appointment.

Be sure the 36lb. injector install is guaranteed to be leak-free under boost. I'm not sure that a reworked rail bracket provides the most accurate alignment. Ideally, the injectors can be re-notched for the mounting clips.

I'm tempted to get it myself, so I hope somebody buys this soon ......

[BJPbrandon2448]

Damn this sucks knowing that I already own all of those parts would really hate seeing a stage 2 cam go to waste now... I'm trying to find some specs on the cam I own and see if it will work! I REALLY WANT THIS THOUGH!!! Just trying to be smart and not already waste hard earned money that has been spent! Dan, I will make a final decision tomorrow! Thanks AJ its really great hearing things like that! I wonder what Milzy has against the Eaton? I can't afford that much for a turbo kit!

[Smithkid21]

Originally Posted by BJPbrandon2448

Damn this sucks knowing that I already own all of those parts would really hate seeing a stage 2 cam go to waste now... I'm trying to find some specs on the cam I own and see if it will work! I REALLY WANT THIS THOUGH!!! Just trying to be smart and not already waste hard earned money that has been spent! Dan, I will make a final decision tomorrow! Thanks AJ its really great hearing things like that! I wonder what Milzy has against the Eaton? I can't afford that much for a turbo kit!

I totally understand what you're saying, and where you're coming from. But you know that if you pass this up, you'll be kicking yourself in the a$s for it later. As much as I hate seeing money wasted, or seeing something not used what the buyer intended it for; Get. This. Kit.

They're rare, valuable, and definitely worth buying when they come up for sale. The way I see it. It's basically now or never.

And obviously Mike is going to try and talk you into a turbo, he makes the kit after all. That's what being a salesman is all about. There is nothing wrong with Eaton, my car has one (factory obviously) but I love it. The whine from a supercharger puts a smile on my face everytime I stomp on it.

Seriously man, do yourself a favor, and buy this. As much as it will suck to waste a little bit of money on parts you may not use, you'll definitely be thankful in the long haul.

Originally Posted by bricooper78

AJ is a smart man, listen to him.


If I had 2K sitting here in my pocket, this wouldn't be up for sale. These are rare, and hard to get ahold of for a reason: they work, and they're meant to work with this motor/car... not a DIY make it fit kit for a turbo.


Buy it

[BJPbrandon2448]

[quote=Smithkid21;1225163]I totally understand what you're saying, and where you're coming from. But you know that if you pass this up, you'll be kicking yourself in the a$s for it later. As much as I hate seeing money wasted, or seeing something not used what the buyer intended it for; Get. This. Kit.

They're rare, valuable, and definitely worth buying when they come up for sale. The way I see it. It's basically now or never.

And obviously Mike is going to try and talk you into a turbo, he makes the kit after all. That's what being a salesman is all about. There is nothing wrong with Eaton, my car has one (factory obviously) but I love it. The whine from a supercharger puts a smile on my face everytime I stomp on it.

Seriously man, do yourself a favor, and buy this. As much as it will suck to waste a little bit of money on parts you may not use, you'll definitely be thankful in the long haul.

Thanks AJ! You've convinced me!

[Danspeed1]

Well I woke up this morning to a deposit, looks like Brandon has made the commitment and purchased this unit! Congrats to him on a one of a kind purchase!

I have spoken with him a few times over the past two days and I have to say I hope this build goes down online, as doing a similar build on a different car recently yielded some excellent results I think we will all be impressed. Just wish it was my GA!

DG

[Danspeed1]

Send me your address at your convenience

[Smithkid21]

[quote=BJPbrandon2448;1225165]

Originally Posted by Smithkid21

I totally understand what you're saying, and where you're coming from. But you know that if you pass this up, you'll be kicking yourself in the a$s for it later. As much as I hate seeing money wasted, or seeing something not used what the buyer intended it for; Get. This. Kit.

They're rare, valuable, and definitely worth buying when they come up for sale. The way I see it. It's basically now or never.

And obviously Mike is going to try and talk you into a turbo, he makes the kit after all. That's what being a salesman is all about. There is nothing wrong with Eaton, my car has one (factory obviously) but I love it. The whine from a supercharger puts a smile on my face everytime I stomp on it.

Seriously man, do yourself a favor, and buy this. As much as it will suck to waste a little bit of money on parts you may not use, you'll definitely be thankful in the long haul.

Thanks AJ! You've convinced me!

Originally Posted by Danspeed1

Well I woke up this morning to a deposit, looks like Brandon has made the commitment and purchased this unit! Congrats to him on a one of a kind purchase!

I have spoken with him a few times over the past two days and I have to say I hope this build goes down online, as doing a similar build on a different car recently yielded some excellent results I think we will all be impressed. Just wish it was my GA!

DG

[Fireball]

Awesome buy!