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Double roller timing chain... DRTC
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04-20-2014, 03:37 PM
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His first post says he's using a 94-99 timing set.
Might want to look into having it cryo-treated to stand up to the challenges of the valvetrain.
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04-20-2014, 03:45 PM
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Ahh. Didnt see that.
I agree with matt.
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04-22-2014, 02:08 PM
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Hella dope. :/
 
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04-22-2014, 02:27 PM
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That looks awesome...
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04-22-2014, 04:11 PM
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[quote=02GT_SkyHigh;1247395]Hella dope. :/
hella nope. should have used zmax bro. or prolong.
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04-22-2014, 05:03 PM
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[quote=MAC the KNIFE;1247402]
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Don't think zmax or prolong would have helped on timing failure.
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04-22-2014, 07:25 PM
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 you obviously don't remember the thread with the guy that had 300k miles on his engine, b/c he used prolong. his timing chain broke and killed the motor. he should have put prolong on the timing chain. as usual, the joke is over sleepy's head
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04-22-2014, 08:08 PM
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You seemed pretty serious
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04-22-2014, 08:21 PM
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If only, I could have gotten another 100K out of the motor!! Dayyummm
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04-22-2014, 08:27 PM
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Gotta get new lifters.
Put on the timing set. No DRTC no cyro treat. Heard about 50/50 should have and its going to be fine... **** it, break it, Re-build it. Ill regret saying that later 
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04-23-2014, 05:10 AM
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I know WOT-TECH sells the replacement springs to increase the strength of the lifter internals for larger cams and lifter spring rate but has anyone just purchased a set of LS lifters? They have the same lifter bore and their length is qual so I assume they will fit but I don't necessarily know if they will have the same spring installed as is available from WOT-TECH? If the LS lifters comes with that spring installed then for a build requiring new lifters it may be a solid idea.
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04-23-2014, 09:34 PM
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I already had TCE springs in. When i get new lifters ill just transfer them over.
From my 3400/3500 Thread My 3400/3500 Build  
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04-24-2014, 01:00 AM
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didn't know TCE made springs... they are probably pretty rare now.
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04-24-2014, 04:02 PM
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04-24-2014, 04:48 PM
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Awesome. Good to know.
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04-26-2014, 12:56 AM
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So this is trippy. The new lifters springs are way more stout than the TCE springs.
Im going to leave them just the way they are.. New springs that were in new lifters on left. TCE springs on right 
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04-26-2014, 08:41 AM
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They may be shorter, but that doesn't mean they are weaker.
 There are other factors that affect that like thickness of the coil and metal type and the way they are wound. Anyway...It's kind of odd that they are that short though. I didn't know TCE had/sold lifter check springs either. I got mine from WOT, and I believe they were LT springs, not LS. My dad has a Corvette with an LT4 and I know the difference between that and the LT1 was the LT4 has a different cam and 500rpm higher redline which bumped the hp up a little, and the lifters where the same but the LT4 lifters had stiffer check springs. It's my understanding that the springs give more valve train stability at higher rpm with bigger cams/stiffer valve springs. I'd have to check my receipt (and I'm not sure if it's noted on it) but I think the LT4 springs are the ones they carried and sold me. When I did my engine build my lifters had some damage on a few of the rollers as well. Not nearly as bad as yours, but I decided to replace them anyway to be safe. I ended up getting some sealed power oem replacement lifters instead of factory stuff, and I disassembled them and compared their springs to the oem ones and to the LT springs I had. They were a little bit different iirc, but I don't remember any of them being different lengths, so I find it odd that yours are. The LT springs were noticeably stiffer and that was it. edit: was looking back through my old threads, trying to find the pics of the lifter springs. Haven't found them yet, but did find that I actually used LS springs. I'm thinking now (iirc) the LT4 springs and LS spring may be the same? I think I might have had my dad look into it for me and find the part numbers, but I don't remember 100%. Too long ago and I'm getting old.
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04-30-2014, 04:34 PM
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Going to check valve clearance tonight then the block comes home with me!
Fingers crossed we dont have to fly-cut the pistons...
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Use the exact head gaskets and torque specs as will be used upon final assembly. Remember to factor approximately .010" for thermal variation and piston rock (double that for exhaust). Plasticine is your friend. If it feels 'tight' barring over, stop and pull the head to check for contact - on a DIY build, time is cheaper than a new valve. Enjoy the build -- as posted previously, there is no sweeter sensation than knowing every nut, bolt, spec and clearance when lighting the fire on a new mill.
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