High Compression 3400/3500 NA build - Page 8

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-21-2014, 12:05 AM

Goes to the Ac line... Momentary lapse of consciousness.
Ordered a external trans cooler today. Goes into the shop to get tuned on tuesday.
They are only going to re-map the fuel tables and shiz so it will run.
I will begin break-in after that and the trans shop wants to make shure everything is alight.
They modified one of the torque converter lock-up solenoids. Instead of a gradual TC lockup (10% gradual to 100%) the made it like an on-off solenoid.
Should be a fun car to dive fellas! The time is coming!!!!

O1GAGT · 11-26-2014, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02GT_SkyHigh

Goes to the Ac line... Momentary lapse of consciousness.
Ordered a external trans cooler today. Goes into the shop to get tuned on tuesday.
They are only going to re-map the fuel tables and shiz so it will run.
I will begin break-in after that and the trans shop wants to make shure everything is alight.
They modified one of the torque converter lock-up solenoids. Instead of a gradual TC lockup (10% gradual to 100%) the made it like an on-off solenoid.
Should be a fun car to dive fellas! The time is coming!!!!

So how did it go yesterday?

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-28-2014, 08:44 AM

The Car is running!!
Something is up with my starter, it stays engaged, I have to start it then pull the stater relay.
The alternator isnt charging the battery. Im going to hook my 4ga wire from Alt to +Batt for my stereo. should fix that problem.
I have a bad miss on cylinder 6. Im getting spark. I have to confirm compression and fuel...
Im going to pull the front valve cover to confirm that cam didnt push one of the rockers out of its threads. ( I heli-coiled all the rocker threads on the back head)
Going to work on it now.

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-28-2014, 10:16 AM

I believe im misfiring on cyl 3 and 6. I thought I may have put injector plug 3on6 and 6on3 but i just swapped them... still missing.
The header is cold after 10 seconds of running on both cylinders. I am getting spark. I imagine it has something to do with fuel.
when i take the jumper wire(which i have always had) from the alt to batt+ it makes the stater motor spin... not engage. just freespin...
Anybody want to help me out with maybe a rudimentary drawing of the wiring too that biii??

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-28-2014, 12:34 PM

moved injectors around and the miss follows the injector..
Got the stater issue figured out. Hooked up my wideband and im running at 10 flat to 10.5
super rich. I imagine the shop couldnt finish the base tune, due to the car running on 4 cylinders.
Simple problems... all and all im very happy so far!

geldartb · 11-28-2014, 12:50 PM

damn how many feet per gallon are you getting.

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-28-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by geldartb

damn how many feet per gallon are you getting.

With the plume of while smoke i imagine about 100ft/gal

AaronGTR · 11-28-2014, 02:41 PM

Sounds like the starter solenoid wasn't engaging. That's what moves the starter gear over to actually engage the flywheel.

What size injectors you running, and is the PCM tuned for them yet? If they are stock/old injectors you could have one or more stuck open. If they are large injectors running on a stock program, they will run super rich until you get the injector table set properly.

02GT_SkyHigh · 11-28-2014, 08:53 PM

Im using the 36# injectors. I had the Dyno shop tune the computer for the injectors. the loaded the file on and started it. It was missing really bad (cylinder 5,6) I think from sitting for 4 months some moisture got into them and locked them up. I'm going to try to crack them loose. Maybe some high voltage will do the trick
They said bring it back when you figure out the misses. I swapped injector 2 and 5. it is following the injector.
Im glad the problem is this simple. There could have been so many other problems.. (knock on wood)
Ill keep you updated.
I still need an alignment and I need the tranny shop to check over the trans when it is running ok. Smog, inspection and dyno tune.
Im on the downhill side of this!

02GT_SkyHigh · 12-01-2014, 08:41 PM

Teaser. Stock Tune.

sleepyalero · 12-01-2014, 09:13 PM

Sounds good.

02GT_SkyHigh · 12-03-2014, 04:42 PM

http://youtu.be/IKBSsVlGepw

sleepyalero · 12-03-2014, 06:26 PM

Sounds awesome. Good job man. Now i want to see 1/4 mile times and dyno numbers.

AaronGTR · 12-03-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyalero

Sounds awesome. Good job man. Now i want to see 1/4 mile times and dyno numbers.

he's probably gonna need some time for break-in and tuning before that happens. You don't just take a brand new engine and go beat on it at the track and dyno.

sleepyalero · 12-04-2014, 05:10 AM

I know that, im just saying.

AaronGTR · 12-04-2014, 10:47 AM

Don't rush him.

I'd rather see him take his time tuning it so he can get the most out of it (and not blow it up). A lot of new engines can take quite a few miles to "loosen up" as well before they work the best and make the most power. You should figure on at least two more oil changes after the first oil change (after break in).

mfuller · 12-04-2014, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02GT_SkyHigh

http://youtu.be/IKBSsVlGepw

Sounds really good.
In fact, eerily similar to mine.
I love the additional torque that comes with higher compression.

blckgagt · 12-04-2014, 03:54 PM

Sounds great. Keep us up to date after you break her in. Makes me more and more jealous about getting mine back on the road.

02GT_SkyHigh · 12-06-2014, 09:57 PM

Im super happy I can drive it again.
I had gotten so used to driving my 97 Grand cherokee..
Mostly I missed my stereo!! 141 dB from one 12" Kicker.
Im running anywhere from 14.5 to 16 on my AFR. I have a small leak where the front bank and rear bank of headers meet So I dont know if that is reading super accurate.
I have been way easy on it just driving around. I have put 500 miles on it. im going to drain the conventional oil out soon and get some full syn in there.
The TC drives like stock. When I am cruising around, it is 'hunting' for lock-up. it jumps from 1400 rpm to 1800 at around 40 mph, steady throttle.
The PMW TC lock-up solenoid was modified to 'on-off'
I had the owner of the trans shop drive it, he said the computer is thinking the system is stock.
He is going to head to the the tuner shop on tuesday and assist them with the trans tune.
Ill keep more videos coming..
The hard part is done.

greddy2race · 03-31-2015, 08:21 PM

Any updates? Its been a few months.

11-21-2014, 12:05 AM	#141
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Goes to the Ac line... Momentary lapse of consciousness. Ordered a external trans cooler today. Goes into the shop to get tuned on tuesday. They are only going to re-map the fuel tables and shiz so it will run. I will begin break-in after that and the trans shop wants to make shure everything is alight. They modified one of the torque converter lock-up solenoids. Instead of a gradual TC lockup (10% gradual to 100%) the made it like an on-off solenoid. Should be a fun car to dive fellas! The time is coming!!!! __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

11-28-2014, 08:44 AM	#143
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	The Car is running!! Something is up with my starter, it stays engaged, I have to start it then pull the stater relay. The alternator isnt charging the battery. Im going to hook my 4ga wire from Alt to +Batt for my stereo. should fix that problem. I have a bad miss on cylinder 6. Im getting spark. I have to confirm compression and fuel... Im going to pull the front valve cover to confirm that cam didnt push one of the rockers out of its threads. ( I heli-coiled all the rocker threads on the back head) Going to work on it now. __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

11-28-2014, 10:16 AM	#144
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	I believe im misfiring on cyl 3 and 6. I thought I may have put injector plug 3on6 and 6on3 but i just swapped them... still missing. The header is cold after 10 seconds of running on both cylinders. I am getting spark. I imagine it has something to do with fuel. when i take the jumper wire(which i have always had) from the alt to batt+ it makes the stater motor spin... not engage. just freespin... Anybody want to help me out with maybe a rudimentary drawing of the wiring too that biii?? __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 11-28-2014 at 10:19 AM.

11-28-2014, 12:34 PM	#145
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	moved injectors around and the miss follows the injector.. Got the stater issue figured out. Hooked up my wideband and im running at 10 flat to 10.5 super rich. I imagine the shop couldnt finish the base tune, due to the car running on 4 cylinders. Simple problems... all and all im very happy so far! __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

11-28-2014, 02:41 PM	#148
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Sounds like the starter solenoid wasn't engaging. That's what moves the starter gear over to actually engage the flywheel. What size injectors you running, and is the PCM tuned for them yet? If they are stock/old injectors you could have one or more stuck open. If they are large injectors running on a stock program, they will run super rich until you get the injector table set properly. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

11-28-2014, 08:53 PM	#149
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Im using the 36# injectors. I had the Dyno shop tune the computer for the injectors. the loaded the file on and started it. It was missing really bad (cylinder 5,6) I think from sitting for 4 months some moisture got into them and locked them up. I'm going to try to crack them loose. Maybe some high voltage will do the trick They said bring it back when you figure out the misses. I swapped injector 2 and 5. it is following the injector. Im glad the problem is this simple. There could have been so many other problems.. (knock on wood) Ill keep you updated. I still need an alignment and I need the tranny shop to check over the trans when it is running ok. Smog, inspection and dyno tune. Im on the downhill side of this! __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d Last edited by 02GT_SkyHigh; 11-29-2014 at 12:55 PM.

12-01-2014, 08:41 PM	#150
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Teaser. Stock Tune. __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

12-01-2014, 09:13 PM	#151
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	Sounds good. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

12-03-2014, 04:42 PM	#152
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	http://youtu.be/IKBSsVlGepw __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

12-03-2014, 06:26 PM	#153
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	Sounds awesome. Good job man. Now i want to see 1/4 mile times and dyno numbers. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

12-04-2014, 05:10 AM	#155
sleepyalero ▂ ▃ ▅ ▆ █ ▆ ▅ ▃ ▂ AKA: Nathan Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Unknown. Posts: 5,911 Vehicle: 2001 olds alero GLS	I know that, im just saying. __________________ 2001 \| Alero GLS \| 3400 \| 6MT 2012 BMW S1000RR, full exhaust, BRENTUNE, power commander 5, dyno tune, 198WHP.

12-04-2014, 10:47 AM	#156
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	Don't rush him. I'd rather see him take his time tuning it so he can get the most out of it (and not blow it up). A lot of new engines can take quite a few miles to "loosen up" as well before they work the best and make the most power. You should figure on at least two more oil changes after the first oil change (after break in). __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

12-04-2014, 03:54 PM	#158
blckgagt ~Turbocharged~ AKA: Randy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Age: 37 Posts: 1,265 Vehicle: 99 GAGT, 07 Vette	Sounds great. Keep us up to date after you break her in. Makes me more and more jealous about getting mine back on the road. __________________ 400whp 435wtq - MMS Race Block w/ 8.5:1 comp ratio, Eagle H-beam rods. MMS Stage 2 heads, Turbo Cam, chromemoly pushrods, GM gaskets. MMS 65 mm Turbo Kit w 60lb/hr injectors, Walbro fuel pump, powdercoated engine. MMS 3.29 4t65eHD conv., 3500 stall TC. Milzy headers w/ downpipe, magnaflow exhaust, FFP Pulley, f/r strut braces, Msd 8.5 SC wires, *** bodykit, Bilstein Coilovers. 17x8 AE 185s. Pioneer HU, B/A speakers. Baer brakes. Wot-tech engine mount. SB Rear Swaybar. ES Poly links

12-06-2014, 09:57 PM	#159
02GT_SkyHigh GAGT - Driver AKA: Skyler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SL,UT Age: 34 Posts: 347 Vehicle: 2002 GT Sedan	Im super happy I can drive it again. I had gotten so used to driving my 97 Grand cherokee.. Mostly I missed my stereo!! 141 dB from one 12" Kicker. Im running anywhere from 14.5 to 16 on my AFR. I have a small leak where the front bank and rear bank of headers meet So I dont know if that is reading super accurate. I have been way easy on it just driving around. I have put 500 miles on it. im going to drain the conventional oil out soon and get some full syn in there. The TC drives like stock. When I am cruising around, it is 'hunting' for lock-up. it jumps from 1400 rpm to 1800 at around 40 mph, steady throttle. The PMW TC lock-up solenoid was modified to 'on-off' I had the owner of the trans shop drive it, he said the computer is thinking the system is stock. He is going to head to the the tuner shop on tuesday and assist them with the trans tune. Ill keep more videos coming.. The hard part is done. __________________ 2002 GAGT Sitting in the driveway with no motor. --Big 3 Electrical Upgrade--Kicker SX650.1 Monoblock--Kicker CVX12"D4--Ported Box @ 1.88^ft to 34hZ--Alpine CDA-9884--Cadence 6.5" Component's-- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/391881...am-gt-sedan-4d

03-31-2015, 08:21 PM	#160
greddy2race Work in Progress AKA: Jonathan Join Date: May 2012 Location: Middletown, OH Posts: 218 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT 3500	Any updates? Its been a few months. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/groups/GrandAmOwners/ MMS 3500 swap, MMS PCM tune, MMS Modified heater tube, MMS Stainless downpipe with no cat, ported upper and lower intake manifolds, forged crank, EGR delete