Spearco I/C Project (aleroboy)

jaketuff · 04-02-2003, 01:47 PM

All right this should be good!

Let's lay out the specs J!

Pat

Monello · 04-03-2003, 12:38 AM

Im thinking about doing an I/C also. Ive been looking in Ebay, and found an intercooler that would work pretty good, This isnt the one im buying, but i think this design is easier for us to work with, since we can move the battery and have both pipes coming from the same spot =P

Here is a picture

Monello · 04-03-2003, 12:45 AM

And here is a picture of how we should route it, the pipe exiting the supercharger has an elbow that goes down, and the inlet of the manifold should have an elbow that is down and to the right a little, if you are facing the engine, like in the picture.

AMRAAM4 · 04-03-2003, 06:36 AM

Sorry to get Off Topic, but Monello, your E/M SC looks different then mine

The part where it connects to the intake manifold is a different setup. Not drastic, but different. Other boost brothers...did E/M change the design for the later models??

BTW: I've already talked with someone we all know a while ago about an IC. There is just no way to fit the sucker in there it seems. Unless someone comes out with a new style.

AaronGTR · 04-03-2003, 06:55 AM

His SC outlet looks the same as mine. It has the same problem too. It's just to close to the intake manifold. You can't fit an elbow on it without getting in front of the manifold inlet. Also, you'd have to turn the elbow down to go under the SC inlet and you'd run into the upper radiator hose and thermostat housing. If you take out the battery, air box, and modify the front radiator shroud, there is plenty of room for the intercooler and piping. That's not the problem. The only way to connect the piping is to cut the inlet and outlet castings and have new ones welded on at different angles. Until someone has the time and the money to do this it's never going to work.

The problem is magnuson designed the kit too tight in order to fit around all the factory equipment (they wanted to sell it to GM). They never intended to move the battery or add an intercooler so they didn't leave enough room. Of course GM didn't pick up the kit anyway. They like the SC to be integrated with the intake manifold like on the GTP's and the sunfire/cavalier kit because it looks cleaner and it's easier to service.

aleroboy · 04-08-2003, 05:25 PM

well I plan on a liquid to air unit to reduce distance from the SC to the plenum.
I'm just waiting for the spearco book to come in monello's drawing is pretty much what I plan on.
The battery will be moved, custom inlet to the pleunm will be made.
And the sc outlet may be shaved to fit everything how I want.
If not a very tight angle 90 degree silicone elbow will be used.
the battery will be moved to the trunk to mount the IC in its place.
the unit I plan on will be 2.5" inlet/outlet or 2.5" inlet 3" outlet.
The plumbing will be aluminum tube powdercoated or ceramic coated for heat protection.
a front mount heat exchanger will be used and possibly a trunk mount ice/water tank.

the intercooler I'm after can add as much as 40% more power,
pressure drop is minimal and with less space than an air to air unit would have between the plenum, lag will be minimal.

Irate · 04-12-2003, 08:42 AM

Well man... is this on the menu for my car? Yes, I am planning on doing this this summer.

Do I have an E/M? Obviously not, but the exhaust port of the centrifugal SC actually allows more clearance, so I'm sure something could be fenagled. I was actually considering doing an air-water right in the engine bay and relocating the battery to the trunk...

jaketuff · 04-12-2003, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IrateGT
Well man... is this on the menu for my car? Yes, I am planning on doing this this summer.

Do I have an E/M? Obviously not, but the exhaust port of the centrifugal SC actually allows more clearance, so I'm sure something could be fenagled. I was actually considering doing an air-water right in the engine bay and relocating the battery to the trunk...

Then quit playin' with the lectric tooth brushes and the water picks and get on it!!!

You should have much easier (and more efficient) dimensions... I would believe that you would gain more power than E/M guys from the IC, and certainly have the 13's with it.

Say, with all the cooling that goes on the IC will make the engine run better, read - "be more powerful, while gaining back more durability..." right? So this will lead to the achilles' heel again, the four five...

JOUT

aleroboy · 04-13-2003, 01:01 AM

well got the book today.
it gave me the basics now I need to start moving things arround and buying the basics to get it in.
this will take a while

Irate · 05-09-2003, 05:23 AM

Hey John, just wondering if you're going to be a dealer for Spearco products, because I want to pick up an AWIC... Also, are you going to have some of the necessary parts as well, or are we have to going to find them ourselves? (elbows, couplers, bilge pump, expansion tank, oil cooler (rad. for water) etc.)?

ps You might want to check out Depco Pump Company for pumps... After some quick research on the internet, looks like a good AWIC kit could run around $600

aleroboy · 05-09-2003, 10:03 AM

When I get done it will most likely be a complete kit

I actually am a dealer of spearco/ turbonetics now.
the sucky thing is right now till june 30th I get additional discounts and all my cash is tied up where I cant buy

Craig99SE2 · 05-09-2003, 10:05 AM

Since there is no room between S/C and TB, why not just hack the top half off of the upper intake manifold and weld on an I/C? Throw a hoodscoop on and you're done!

WRX-style...

aleroboy · 05-09-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig99SE2
Since there is no room between S/C and TB, why not just hack the top half off of the upper intake manifold and weld on an I/C? Throw a hoodscoop on and you're done!

WRX-style...

thougt about this as well
but due to crossflow design of the manifold it would be really hard to get an ic there. also that would not be very effictive at cooling.

aleroboy · 05-29-2003, 08:53 PM

ok another up date
I ordered the piping, couplers, and T-bolt clamps yesterday.
I'm going to have to cut the front of the plenum back to have enough room and weld a pipe to attach to the intercooler.
I'm trying to leave the supercharger kit un modded so the intercooler could be removed.

aleroboy · 06-03-2003, 09:04 PM

ok got my intercooler core ordered today as well as the water pump.
the core will be here in about 2 weeks.
I got my clamps and they are one size too small so I have to exchange them

the ice tank should be here tomorrow or so.

jaketuff · 06-09-2003, 10:48 AM

Good stuff J, keep it going... Seems like there is a good chance it should all work...

JOUT

aleroboy · 06-16-2003, 11:48 PM

Got the core and pump today
I'll be starting fitment tomorrow with my friend Treacy while he is up from phoenix. we are trying to get it done by the weekend but guess that will depend on the welder

aleroboy · 06-17-2003, 03:23 PM

ok upper is getted tacked up today. test fit happens tomorrow on the upper
my fuse box now sits 1-2" lower
I may have a little trouble with the plumbing but nothing major.

aleroboy · 06-19-2003, 10:00 AM

here is the update!
we will be running the hoses today.

cavingman · 06-19-2003, 10:03 AM

looks cool so far, gonna run outta room to cram **** soon though

04-02-2003, 01:47 PM	#1
jaketuff GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westchester, NY Age: 43 Posts: 2,093 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	Spearco I/C Project (aleroboy) All right this should be good! Let's lay out the specs J! Pat

04-03-2003, 12:38 AM	#2
Monello Boost Bro Power Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago! Age: 37 Posts: 357 Vehicle: 02 Trans Am	Im thinking about doing an I/C also. Ive been looking in Ebay, and found an intercooler that would work pretty good, This isnt the one im buying, but i think this design is easier for us to work with, since we can move the battery and have both pipes coming from the same spot =P Here is a picture __________________ 2002 Pontiac Trans Am WS-6 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP

04-03-2003, 12:45 AM	#3
Monello Boost Bro Power Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago! Age: 37 Posts: 357 Vehicle: 02 Trans Am	And here is a picture of how we should route it, the pipe exiting the supercharger has an elbow that goes down, and the inlet of the manifold should have an elbow that is down and to the right a little, if you are facing the engine, like in the picture. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 2002 Pontiac Trans Am WS-6 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP

04-03-2003, 06:36 AM	#4
AMRAAM4 Wiley 'Ol Veteran AKA: Bob (aka Hoss) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Azerbaijan Age: 45 Posts: 6,935 Vehicle: See My Signature Block	Sorry to get Off Topic, but Monello, your E/M SC looks different then mine The part where it connects to the intake manifold is a different setup. Not drastic, but different. Other boost brothers...did E/M change the design for the later models?? BTW: I've already talked with someone we all know a while ago about an IC. There is just no way to fit the sucker in there it seems. Unless someone comes out with a new style. __________________ 2016 GoMango Challenger SRT Hellcat 2014 Redline Pearl Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 2018 Bruiser Grey Dodge Durango SRT TRADED-2004 Black Grand Am GT,2004 Impulse Blue GTO M6, 2012 Mineral Gray Jeep SRT8, 2010 Bright Silver Jeep SRT8 LEASE TURN-IN-2006 Summit White TrailBlazer SS AWD (Vector CAI & tune) SOLD-2000 Silvermist Grand Am GT Supercharged,1994 Daytona Blue Single Turbo RX7 (427whp/330wtq), 2006 Spice Red GTO A4, 2013 Grabber Blue Shelby GT500

04-03-2003, 06:55 AM	#5
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	His SC outlet looks the same as mine. It has the same problem too. It's just to close to the intake manifold. You can't fit an elbow on it without getting in front of the manifold inlet. Also, you'd have to turn the elbow down to go under the SC inlet and you'd run into the upper radiator hose and thermostat housing. If you take out the battery, air box, and modify the front radiator shroud, there is plenty of room for the intercooler and piping. That's not the problem. The only way to connect the piping is to cut the inlet and outlet castings and have new ones welded on at different angles. Until someone has the time and the money to do this it's never going to work. The problem is magnuson designed the kit too tight in order to fit around all the factory equipment (they wanted to sell it to GM). They never intended to move the battery or add an intercooler so they didn't leave enough room. Of course GM didn't pick up the kit anyway. They like the SC to be integrated with the intake manifold like on the GTP's and the sunfire/cavalier kit because it looks cleaner and it's easier to service. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

04-08-2003, 05:25 PM	#6
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	well I plan on a liquid to air unit to reduce distance from the SC to the plenum. I'm just waiting for the spearco book to come in monello's drawing is pretty much what I plan on. The battery will be moved, custom inlet to the pleunm will be made. And the sc outlet may be shaved to fit everything how I want. If not a very tight angle 90 degree silicone elbow will be used. the battery will be moved to the trunk to mount the IC in its place. the unit I plan on will be 2.5" inlet/outlet or 2.5" inlet 3" outlet. The plumbing will be aluminum tube powdercoated or ceramic coated for heat protection. a front mount heat exchanger will be used and possibly a trunk mount ice/water tank. the intercooler I'm after can add as much as 40% more power, pressure drop is minimal and with less space than an air to air unit would have between the plenum, lag will be minimal. __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 11-01-2004 at 10:16 PM.

04-12-2003, 08:42 AM	#7
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	Well man... is this on the menu for my car? Yes, I am planning on doing this this summer. Do I have an E/M? Obviously not, but the exhaust port of the centrifugal SC actually allows more clearance, so I'm sure something could be fenagled. I was actually considering doing an air-water right in the engine bay and relocating the battery to the trunk... __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

04-13-2003, 01:01 AM	#9
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	well got the book today. it gave me the basics now I need to start moving things arround and buying the basics to get it in. this will take a while __________________ really really slow right now.

05-09-2003, 05:23 AM	#10
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	Hey John, just wondering if you're going to be a dealer for Spearco products, because I want to pick up an AWIC... Also, are you going to have some of the necessary parts as well, or are we have to going to find them ourselves? (elbows, couplers, bilge pump, expansion tank, oil cooler (rad. for water) etc.)? ps You might want to check out Depco Pump Company for pumps... After some quick research on the internet, looks like a good AWIC kit could run around $600 __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep Last edited by Irate; 05-09-2003 at 05:25 AM.

05-09-2003, 10:03 AM	#11
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	When I get done it will most likely be a complete kit I actually am a dealer of spearco/ turbonetics now. the sucky thing is right now till june 30th I get additional discounts and all my cash is tied up where I cant buy __________________ really really slow right now.

05-09-2003, 10:05 AM	#12
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	Since there is no room between S/C and TB, why not just hack the top half off of the upper intake manifold and weld on an I/C? Throw a hoodscoop on and you're done! WRX-style... __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

05-29-2003, 08:53 PM	#14
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	ok another up date I ordered the piping, couplers, and T-bolt clamps yesterday. I'm going to have to cut the front of the plenum back to have enough room and weld a pipe to attach to the intercooler. I'm trying to leave the supercharger kit un modded so the intercooler could be removed. __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 11-01-2004 at 10:20 PM.

06-03-2003, 09:04 PM	#15
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	ok got my intercooler core ordered today as well as the water pump. the core will be here in about 2 weeks. I got my clamps and they are one size too small so I have to exchange them the ice tank should be here tomorrow or so. __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 06-17-2003 at 03:24 PM.

06-09-2003, 10:48 AM	#16
jaketuff GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westchester, NY Age: 43 Posts: 2,093 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	Good stuff J, keep it going... Seems like there is a good chance it should all work... JOUT

06-16-2003, 11:48 PM	#17
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	Got the core and pump today I'll be starting fitment tomorrow with my friend Treacy while he is up from phoenix. we are trying to get it done by the weekend but guess that will depend on the welder __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 11-01-2004 at 10:20 PM.

06-17-2003, 03:23 PM	#18
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	ok upper is getted tacked up today. test fit happens tomorrow on the upper my fuse box now sits 1-2" lower I may have a little trouble with the plumbing but nothing major. __________________ really really slow right now.

06-19-2003, 10:00 AM	#19
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	here is the update! we will be running the hoses today. Attached Thumbnails __________________ really really slow right now. Last edited by aleroboy; 06-19-2003 at 10:02 AM.

06-19-2003, 10:03 AM	#20
cavingman Moderator AKA: Brendan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 40 Posts: 3,772 Vehicle: 04 Saturn Ion Redline	looks cool so far, gonna run outta room to cram **** soon though __________________ bleeehh....

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