SuperCharger

[KpazzH0ly]

Hey guys quick question. First just before I get hate reply's. I did use the search engine and found nothing. But here's the question will a grand prix supercharger fit, and if not can it be modified. Also one quick question, anyone think of putting a supercharger and a turbocharger on at the same time?????? Cuz I think I am going to.

[bszopi]

Answer to question #1: Not unless you plan on either a) having a SC stick out your hood or not having a hood, or b) fabricating your own lower manifold to accept an SC.

Answer to question #2: It has been done before, but what is the use? First, good luck trying to fit it all inside the engine bay. Second, you would be defeating the purpose of having both sources unless you had some MAJOR tranny modifications done.

[KpazzH0ly]

Well what if I was planning on doing the tranny mods anyway? I mean seriously. Have you seen the turbo off the new PT Cruiser? ITs a lil pooball. And if that lil pooball can produce power, why not put it on a GA? I mean for those gains that a supercharger cant perform. Now for the hood, what if you get a custom hood done? I mean I have a buddy that I knew that made his own hood.

[H.O. Driver]

It will take a lot of work, will power, brainstorming, and lots of money. I would be probably be cheaper to buy a L67 instead of trying to custom fit a M90 on a LA1. The twincharging would be cool but really difficult to do. However if you can do it, lots of people would be amazed. It can't hurt to try as long as you have the $$$ and willing to spend it with no regret.

[KpazzH0ly]

Spending money without regret HA! That's funny. As I have stated before and I am still being putdown. I am determined to make this a 10 sec car with this engine. And I will spend what I need to even if Im 60 when I have finished..... L67 is the Grand Prix engine? I dunno guys, there was a guy that put the M90 on a 3.4 in his berreta.......I just want this car to be unique and powerful. Thats why I dont do much on exterior. YEt....

[H.O. Driver]

A 10 sec car with a 3400 would be amazing but I don't think it will be capable to do it with a M90. So far the only guy to come close to 10's with a L67 ditched the M90 for a huge turbo and he is going to be in the tens very soon. The fastest M90 time is in the mid to high 11's and he has the M90 damn near maxed out. I am not saying it can't be done but if you can do it, that would be a thing to see. Good luck to you on your project, hopefully you are able to complete your goal.

[jaketuff]

Start at the hard part - THE TRANNY. Overcome the difficulties that lie there then concern yourself with the power adders. That way you will be able to determine if you really want to do the 10 sec GAGT. I would love to see it happen for you.

START ON THE HARD MODs, compared to upgrading the tranny, the twin screw setup is cake. Hopefully there will be good word from Raybestos soon about some tranny parts, that would be a BIG step for the 4t45e's HP handling capacity.

Good luck, and this is better relocated to the Boost Forum.

Pat

[KpazzH0ly]

Well I dont know how to relocate this. And thanx for the support. Now what do you think of this. Twin turbo? I mean everyone so far that i have read put only one. And the RSM heads should be able to take some massive power? And hopefully most things I do will happen in fall and later since ill be at UTI. ANd hopefully I will figure stuff out so I can say what works. But I have to find away to make the $$$. But dont worry guys this is a goal that wont fail on me cuz im determined. If not 10 sec. then I will make it to beat Z28's and CObras ; )

[H.O. Driver]

Twin Turbos will be more than enough power and like everyone else has been saying, the tranny will need to be beefier. That will be one hell of a car once everything is on and tuned. Keep us updated on your progress with some good pictures and video. I would love to see this work, hopefully your budget permits.

[KpazzH0ly]

yea ull have to wait like 7 years unless i win loads of money. But what supercharger would you guys recomend. Intercooler, and all those other gadgets?? huH???

[H.O. Driver]

People have seen better gains from the RSM but it is what you would like to do. The Eaton/Magnuson has potential but I beleive we don't quite have enough aftermarket to max these things out quite yet. I would just start saving your money and do the basics for right now, CAI and Exhuast, to get you by.

[KpazzH0ly]

I have CAI and exhaust, i still need to modify my exhaust but its there. And its a hell of a lot of differnce. Yea my friend says i can keep up with his camaro z28 with is 370 hp at wheels, and i dont get it. I also got hyptertech thermo and a TPS, I want to cut out my MAF screen. So far everything I did was custom and done by me.....I want some pulleys or headers, but I want to have something lil bit cheaper... you know??? And I hear a trans cooler from summit and its like 50? But what pulleys should i get.

[H.O. Driver]

I have not got that far into therse cars yet but do some searching and you should be able to find what you need.

[Monello]

Originally posted by KpazzH0ly
I have CAI and exhaust, i still need to modify my exhaust but its there. And its a hell of a lot of differnce. Yea my friend says i can keep up with his camaro z28 with is 370 hp at wheels, and i dont get it. I also got hyptertech thermo and a TPS, I want to cut out my MAF screen. So far everything I did was custom and done by me.....I want some pulleys or headers, but I want to have something lil bit cheaper... you know??? And I hear a trans cooler from summit and its like 50? But what pulleys should i get.

Im running High 13's/Low 14's, and i have trouble with Camaros. Your GT stock is about 130 to the wheels, thats a little more then 1/3 of what he has. There is NO way you are keeping up with him. Im at about 230 at the wheels, and like i said, im still having trouble, and thats 100+ HP over a Stock Grand Am GT.

[KpazzH0ly]

Like I said I have no idea. But i did race my friends Lincoln it has 280 hp and I was pulling away. But then a car was in my way and i smashed in to the back of it.........JK I really need to get more fuel to the engine so im thinking about an A/f fergulator, but I really want pulleys I just dont know how to get what I want. I also have a question if anyon knows. My friend got me hood scoops for the car. And if i cut into the hood would it help to cool down the engine? So seriously guys I need some suggestions, and like if anything else that I can do custom. Like I want to cut the screen of the MAF, but will it help , and how? Thanks for your guys support.

[kubiache]

WHOOOOAAAAA! Slow down there, buddy. You're saying you want a lot of things but (don't take this the wrong way), you don't seem to really understand what you say you want. Ask any of the boosted guys how they went about working up to their supercharger. Chances are they didn't just slap it on there without building up to it and then doing some homework. Like everyone said, start with the bolt-ons...the basics. Learn your car a little more. Then start looking into boosting it. A 10 second Stang stomper would be sweet, and I certainly won't say it can't be done. But look at the amount of money some of the guys spend on their cars here. Like Monello said, he'll eat Grand Ams all day, but those V8s are still going to give you trouble. My point: learn a little more about what you're working with, then start to think outside the box. Good Luck

[mcgavinz26]

wow, I feel special, you guys were talking about me. I really REALLY agree with the last post about taking it slow and working up to the bigger things.

The only possible way to fit an M90 under your hood would be to get a nose drive like the one on that grand am kit... but for an M90, which doesn't exist. Sure you can make a giant cowl hood if you want it right on top of the engine. But what kind of intercooler can you fit under it? Only a very small one the size of the m90 output port, not a very efficient one. So the air is not going to be as cool as you could get it if you simply used only an intercooled turbo. Just considering the limits you face (m90 performance, fwd vehicle, not the best transmission) I would be very impressed to see a GA or Beretta in the 12s.

Also, it takes a lot of resources to get a job like you are talking about done. The only way I got my intake made was because I worked at a machine shop that did prototype only production runs and they had the right tools for the job. You would have to know exactly what you want and who can do it for you. And there isn't a single shop anywhere that could do everything you are asking, it would take many different specialty shops.

Also, on a slightly different note, having no hood, or a hood with a blower sticking out of it is actually very cool, atleast in Michigan. If you've got another car to drive in the rain and a garage to store it, it's one of the most fun things you can build for under $1000.

(if you couldn't tell already I'm the guy with the M90 feeding the 3400 in a Z26, )

[KpazzH0ly]

First of all I wouldnt put a supercharger on a basic engine. I would first get the heads intake manifolds and throttle body done by SA. Then I want headers. After all this I would get a supercharger.....But seriously guys, I think I need more fuel to the engine. And anyone know about what I said about the hood scoops. ANother thing is the body kit from Andysautosport.com lightweight. THank you again for your help and suggestions.

[mcgavinz26]

What you have to do is get a factory hood, cut a hole in it, make a mold for a cowl that will bolt onto the hood and cover the blower, use fiberglass in the mold to produce a cowl, and presto. I've never done anything with fiberglass though, but I have some friends at school that have been making a few parts here and there and offered to make me a cowl, me paying material costs of corse. Making an entire hood would be a much more difficult.

Not to be mean, but from reading your posts they make you sound like you have a lot of homework to do. Keep studying and saving every dime you earn.

[Monello]

Originally posted by KpazzH0ly
First of all I wouldnt put a supercharger on a basic engine. I would first get the heads intake manifolds and throttle body done by SA. Then I want headers. After all this I would get a supercharger.....But seriously guys, I think I need more fuel to the engine. And anyone know about what I said about the hood scoops. ANother thing is the body kit from Andysautosport.com lightweight. THank you again for your help and suggestions.

You already goofed. SA stuff SUX!! And is WAY over priced.