next ga to have a v8

[waffler]

well remember when spoon said the next ga will have a 3.9l engine he didnt say if it would be a v6 or v8 and since gm already produces a 3.9l v8 wouldnt it make sense that, that is what will be in the next grand am

[MidwestJosh]

I won't believe it until I can go to my dealer and test drive one. That would be nice if that happened. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[BMOBYLE]

Originally posted by waffler
well remember when spoon said the next ga will have a 3.9l engine he didnt say if it would be a v6 or v8 and since gm already produces a 3.9l v8 wouldnt it make sense that, that is what will be in the next grand am

I doubt it Knowin GM it'll probably be a 3.8L and be slower than a G.P. SE

[qwik99gt]

The GM 3.9L V6 being used in the next Grand Am is:

A.) A six cylinder, for size reasons
B.) A completely new engine
C.) High tech, with variable valve timing and overhead cams
D.) Powerful enough to make a 3.1L Grand Prix SE Owner cry and bow down in reverence to the new God of the sport not-so-compact market.

Answer: E, all of the above. You can bet on it. Have some faith in General Motors for once, people.

[red rocket]

Powerful enough to make a 3.1 L GP SE owner cry? That doesn't say much.

How many ponies will this 3.9 V6 have? Will it get in the range of the 3.5 V6 Altima - 240 HP?

[Sternie]

I think it was said to be at 250hp.

Tony

[Travis99Gt]

Ooooooooo I'll hafta get me one of those. Overhead cams and variable valve timing, that sorta setup in itself will make things MUCH more interesting.

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by qwik99gt


Answer: E, all of the above. You can bet on it. Have some faith in General Motors for once, people.

I used to until the Aztec days (current).

I hope they turn things around. I do like GM, they should still be on top.

Originally posted by Mike3800


I used to until the Aztec days (current).

I hope they turn things around. I do like GM, they should still be on top.

Ok then have faith in Lutz. I think he is the best this to ever happen to GM.

[Mike Reyna]

Originally posted by waffler
well remember when spoon said the next ga will have a 3.9l engine he didnt say if it would be a v6 or v8 and since gm already produces a 3.9l v8 wouldnt it make sense that, that is what will be in the next grand am

I seriously doubt the "next" GA would have a V8. If the next Grand Prix will have a V6, the GA will also have one.

[GregFarz78]

Why would you want a v8 under the hood? Add more weight onto an already heavy GA. Here's what they should do put the GA on a diet get her down to like 2800lbs...GT version standard 5/6 speed manual, supercharged 4/6 cylinder.

that would totally change the classification of grand am.. and by the way did anyone catch the article on car rentals in the Wall Street Journal stating how grand ams are sometimes classified as compacts..sometimes midsizes..n sometimse... one more catagory haha

[qwik99gt]

Okay, I have been corrected. And humbled. Some of my engine information was incorrect. Here is the correct info:
3.9L V6 based on the current 3.4L. Will be a pushrod style engine but still has Variable Valve Timing. GM has rated this new engine at 235hp, I don't know what the torque rating is.

I used to until the Aztec days (current)

Understandable. But they were designed from the inside out. The interiors in them are incredible. That doesn't excuse the fact that they look like an abstract painting on wheels. At least they finally removed all that grey body cladding. The Vibe is a good compromise.

[adorai]

everything I have heard says the new grand am will come with an ecotech standard, or a 3.x liter inline 5 as an option.

[qwik99gt]

Ecotec is standard on the SE's 3.9 V6 is standard on the GT's. This is direct from the source. You could say I have friends in high places....

[MidwestJosh]

Originally posted by qwik99gt
Ecotec is standard on the SE's 3.9 V6 is standard on the GT's. This is direct from the source. You could say I have friends in high places....

This is good info and all, but what kinda gearbox, hp, tq it has. Got more details???

[Kitt]

pushrods? youd think by now that GM would evolve some more out of the pushrod area and into more OHC for the GA....

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally posted by Kitt
pushrods? youd think by now that GM would evolve some more out of the pushrod area and into more OHC for the GA....

You do know that OHCs add more weight, take up more room, add more costs, increase complexity, etc right?? And I haven't seen any hard data proving that pushrods are inferior to OHC engines for GM applications, I mean yeah they are limited to lower redlines but I don't think GM wants a 7000 RPM screamer in the lineup anyway. The problem with OHC is that in a V form it really negates the engine space saving features. OHC is best suited for inline applications and they are also effective in the VR6 15 degree V form since it is so narrow of a V that it only has one set of heads and is similar to an inline 6 in balance. That's why GM uses OHC in the Ecotec and not on most of their V6's and V8's.

I was really hoping that GM would have an inline 6 w/ DOHC tho because then it might have been similar to a Skyline or Supra engine and it could have been turbocharged pretty nicely and if it had 4 valves per cylinder it could breathe easier and Variable Valve Timing would have been more effective with a somewhat wider RPM range. But I think if they couldn't fit an L6 under the hood then a pushrod V6 was the best way to go.

A 3.0L L5 would have been interesting too, put exhaust on one and it'll sound like a Viper, which is sure to get looks. And the performance opportunity is huge, cuz the Dahlback Jetta has a 2.1L L5 pushing 600-900 at the crank, depending on what turbo setup you want. Plus I dunno if they even got any steady dyno results because it lost traction at about 5700 RPM on the dyno and it was pulling like 600 or 700 hp and most power comes at over 8000 RPM on it I believe.

[Kitt]

yup i do know that it adds more weight, just 30+ year old technology gets old after a while

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Overhead Cams are older technology than pushrods tho. Specifically, the design that GM and others implement in pushrods now is older than newer implementations of OHC technology, so what needs to be done is a newer revision of pushrods rather than a switch to OHC or a continuation of the "30 year old technology."