Turbo, now what?

Dr_Kyle · 09-15-2003, 06:33 PM

I am sick of hearing about the 'prototypes'. I am tired of waiting for some other company to come out with a turbo kit. I am doing this to my car and I will stop at nothing to get it done. I am going to run 6-8 psi. I am using stock exhaust manifolds (3100 log style for the rear). I have no concern for the tranny... if it goes, it goes.

I have just purchased the following:

- T3 Turbo
- HKS BOV
- FMIC
- Crossover with T3 Flange
- Downpipe
- Oil Cooler

Aside from IC/Intake piping (the Doctor will be doing this), what do I need? (aside from the 3100 rear manifold, too)

Fuel
Source - Is the stock pump okay?
Injectors - Are the 4.2's necessary?
AFPR - Is this all I need?
FMU - ANYTHING? who, what, where?

Computer
Reprogram - Does it have to be done to make the car at least driveable until I can arrange a custom tune?

Ignition
Spark Plugs - TR6's maybe?

I welcome ALL constructive replies.

kamikaz16 · 09-15-2003, 07:01 PM

How about a big

reply?? Keep the faith!

Craig99SE2 · 09-15-2003, 09:13 PM

If you keep the T3 compressor and run 6psi, a Vortech FMU should work just fine! You'd need to call Vortech for the correct ratio, but that should work until you can get a reprogram. For plugs, I'd go with Bosch +2's ( avoid electrode-type plugs) that are a 1 or 2 ranges colder. Stock pump is fine. Remember that the EM S/C run 6 psi on stock fuel system (w/RRFPR - like Vortech) with no probs. You would just be using exhaust to spin the compressor instead of the serpentine belt.

Good Luck!

phantom505 · 09-15-2003, 09:16 PM

Geez man, you in an aweful yank, you make it sound like its easy. I finally have mine almost complete. I don't know if you will agree with the ignition and fuel timing, but how long do you think my car has been worked on?

Just about 2 months. Longer than I thought it would take but, I PROMISE that is near completion. All they have to do is pipe for the IC and send it off to get coated. I'm guessing that will be done totally in 2-3 weeks. ALL of the exhaust side of the kit is done. To include downpipe, headers, flanges, etc

But I still like the MeOH/H2O solution personally. I know that isn't for everyone, but you'll be able to push plenty of boost.

I really think you should either contact me or HPP directly. If nothing else they might cut you a deal on the exhaust side.

95-GT · 09-15-2003, 09:31 PM

all you should need is a FMU and/or boost retard timing system. Other then that, your car should be fine....but mine is also ODB-I and thats what I am going by.

Dr_Kyle · 09-15-2003, 09:47 PM

Okay, so far:

- New Plugs
- FMU

Where should I be looking for an FMU? Vortech is good?

aleroboy · 09-15-2003, 10:17 PM

yeah vortech is about the only sorce I've foudn for an fmu.

one question though?
why a 3100 rear manifold?

Dr_Kyle · 09-15-2003, 10:30 PM

Basically for the simplicity of the design. I am following Craig's idea, which is outlined here: http://www.jeepnuts.com/12sGASE/turbo.htm#Exhaust

FMU - 8:1 is the recommendation I have so far.

Kalvin97GAGT · 09-16-2003, 06:37 AM

R42LTS plugs (ac delco non platinums, 2 heat ranges colder than stock) i would gap them at about 40 to be safe

i would reccomend the Vortec FMU with 8:1 ratio

good luck kyle

Doug · 09-16-2003, 10:22 AM

What does the SC kit come with ratio wise. And I would ge the 4.2L Injectors since the're a perfect fit.
And how did you purschase a downpipe?

Dr_Kyle · 09-16-2003, 10:39 AM

Thanks Kalvin!

Doug, I bought Kalvin's setup. Do you really think I will need the 4.2 injectors? I'm going to put it on at first without them anyway (won't be hard to add them later) just to see where I'm at.

Craig99SE2 · 09-16-2003, 01:15 PM

With the FMU, the 4.2L injectors aren't doing that much. That is the FMU's job ... Yes, they'll let more fuel in than our injectors, but again ... that's the FMU's job! And if the ratio of rise/boost is chosen correctly, stock injectors will work just fine.

PACE · 09-16-2003, 01:30 PM

OwNeD bY tHe DoCtOr !

sorry, I just like saying that! I have caught myself saying it out-loud when something gets owned.....all my friends are like WTF are you talking about!?!?!?

Good luck buddy!

Dr_Kyle · 09-16-2003, 01:39 PM

Thanks man!

mr_eh · 09-16-2003, 01:50 PM

now what?
now get a car that can handle it!
*runs away like a little girl*

Dr_Kyle · 09-16-2003, 02:00 PM

hehe... it'll handle it just fine

until it can no longer handle it

Doug · 09-16-2003, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig99SE2
With the FMU, the 4.2L injectors aren't doing that much.

Yes they will. Ask alerboy how much they helped

Dr_Kyle · 09-16-2003, 05:38 PM

http://www.subarustore.com/hkssafr.html

I had planned to get one anyway... Would this be good?

iceman · 09-16-2003, 06:01 PM

Don't forget this vital piece of equipment !!!

j/k

Have fun Doc - you know if you need wiring diagrams, shoot me a PM. I'd help you out with harness extensions but all the goodies aren't here yet for them.

AaronGTR · 09-16-2003, 06:44 PM

If you don't plan on boosting over 10psi stock injectors should be fine. A rising rate FMU from vortech would be a very good way to go, but you'll have to do a little modification to the fuel rail and return line in order to use it. A good performance shop should be able to help you out with that. Good luck.

09-15-2003, 06:33 PM	#1
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	Turbo, now what? I am sick of hearing about the 'prototypes'. I am tired of waiting for some other company to come out with a turbo kit. I am doing this to my car and I will stop at nothing to get it done. I am going to run 6-8 psi. I am using stock exhaust manifolds (3100 log style for the rear). I have no concern for the tranny... if it goes, it goes. I have just purchased the following: - T3 Turbo - HKS BOV - FMIC - Crossover with T3 Flange - Downpipe - Oil Cooler Aside from IC/Intake piping (the Doctor will be doing this), what do I need? (aside from the 3100 rear manifold, too) Fuel Source - Is the stock pump okay? Injectors - Are the 4.2's necessary? AFPR - Is this all I need? FMU - ANYTHING? who, what, where? Computer Reprogram - Does it have to be done to make the car at least driveable until I can arrange a custom tune? Ignition Spark Plugs - TR6's maybe? I welcome ALL constructive replies. __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-15-2003, 07:01 PM	#2
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09-15-2003, 09:13 PM	#3
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	If you keep the T3 compressor and run 6psi, a Vortech FMU should work just fine! You'd need to call Vortech for the correct ratio, but that should work until you can get a reprogram. For plugs, I'd go with Bosch +2's ( avoid electrode-type plugs) that are a 1 or 2 ranges colder. Stock pump is fine. Remember that the EM S/C run 6 psi on stock fuel system (w/RRFPR - like Vortech) with no probs. You would just be using exhaust to spin the compressor instead of the serpentine belt. Good Luck! __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

09-15-2003, 09:16 PM	#4
phantom505 GAGTurbo Owner Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Heltonville, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,576 Vehicle: '02 GAGT	Geez man, you in an aweful yank, you make it sound like its easy. I finally have mine almost complete. I don't know if you will agree with the ignition and fuel timing, but how long do you think my car has been worked on? Just about 2 months. Longer than I thought it would take but, I PROMISE that is near completion. All they have to do is pipe for the IC and send it off to get coated. I'm guessing that will be done totally in 2-3 weeks. ALL of the exhaust side of the kit is done. To include downpipe, headers, flanges, etc But I still like the MeOH/H2O solution personally. I know that isn't for everyone, but you'll be able to push plenty of boost. I really think you should either contact me or HPP directly. If nothing else they might cut you a deal on the exhaust side. __________________ It's ugly, and turbocharged! 264 HP and 284 ft/lbs at the wheels(@9psi), power curve like none other! And the transaxle to make it all work!

09-15-2003, 09:47 PM	#6
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	Okay, so far: - New Plugs - FMU Where should I be looking for an FMU? Vortech is good? __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-15-2003, 09:31 PM	#5
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	all you should need is a FMU and/or boost retard timing system. Other then that, your car should be fine....but mine is also ODB-I and thats what I am going by.

09-15-2003, 10:17 PM	#7
aleroboy 340+ hp Club Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado springs Age: 39 Posts: 1,854 Vehicle: 2001 Alero GLS coupe	yeah vortech is about the only sorce I've foudn for an fmu. one question though? why a 3100 rear manifold? __________________ really really slow right now.

09-15-2003, 10:30 PM	#8
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	Basically for the simplicity of the design. I am following Craig's idea, which is outlined here: http://www.jeepnuts.com/12sGASE/turbo.htm#Exhaust FMU - 8:1 is the recommendation I have so far. __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page Last edited by Dr_Kyle; 09-15-2003 at 10:32 PM.

09-16-2003, 06:37 AM	#9
Kalvin97GAGT GOT BOOST? Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winfield, IL Age: 39 Posts: 144 Vehicle: 97GAGT6 / 03SRT4 RED	R42LTS plugs (ac delco non platinums, 2 heat ranges colder than stock) i would gap them at about 40 to be safe i would reccomend the Vortec FMU with 8:1 ratio good luck kyle __________________ 14.672 @ 92.76MPH -- GLD 5/16/03 = gagt http://www.n-body.net/registry/kalvin97gagt/ 2003 srt 4 .. some mods, 13.6@99 (wrong mph)

09-16-2003, 10:22 AM	#10
Doug Hairdryer Power Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dublin, OH Age: 36 Posts: 623 Vehicle: 2000 SE-T	What does the SC kit come with ratio wise. And I would ge the 4.2L Injectors since the're a perfect fit. And how did you purschase a downpipe? __________________ http://www.n-body.net/registry/yeahdoug/ 2000 Grand Am SE1 ex-turbo 1987 Supra Turbo 5 spd Targa 14.2 @100 with only I/E Last edited by Doug; 09-16-2003 at 10:24 AM.

09-16-2003, 10:39 AM	#11
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	Thanks Kalvin! Doug, I bought Kalvin's setup. Do you really think I will need the 4.2 injectors? I'm going to put it on at first without them anyway (won't be hard to add them later) just to see where I'm at. __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-16-2003, 01:15 PM	#12
Craig99SE2 Mr. Know It All AKA: Craig Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Commerce Twp., MI Age: 48 Posts: 1,349 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	With the FMU, the 4.2L injectors aren't doing that much. That is the FMU's job ... Yes, they'll let more fuel in than our injectors, but again ... that's the FMU's job! And if the ratio of rise/boost is chosen correctly, stock injectors will work just fine. __________________ Project 13-Second NA GASE - 1999 Grand Am SE - RSM Heads,UIM,LIM,62mm TB,AFE Filter,RSM WAI,TOGs,DynoMax Hi-Flo Cat,SLP,DynoMax,ASE Chip,Mobil 1,Accel DIS,Taylor Wires,Denso Iridium,Hyper Ground,FFP Pulley,B&M SuperCooler,RedLine D4 ATF,Poly Drivetrain Mounts - Estimated 250HP ... Dyno Charts Soon!

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PACE Woooo Woooooooo ! AKA: Jason Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clarkston, MI Age: 43 Posts: 2,514 Vehicle: GRAND AMERICAN	OwNeD bY tHe DoCtOr ! sorry, I just like saying that! I have caught myself saying it out-loud when something gets owned.....all my friends are like WTF are you talking about!?!?!? Good luck buddy! __________________ Grand Am---Long gone. 2009 Yukon Denali with 4" drop on 24" black Escalade wheels -- in the garage 1970 Impala convertible triple black - In the Garage Last edited by PACE; 09-16-2003 at 01:33 PM.

09-16-2003, 01:39 PM	#14
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	Thanks man! __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-16-2003, 01:50 PM	#15
mr_eh Hi. AKA: xxx Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Staten Island, NY Age: 39 Posts: 4,405 Vehicle: 05 Srt-4 / 00GrandAmSE	now what? now get a car that can handle it! runs away like a little girl __________________ 4cyl ga se -> 431whp srt4 -> 600whp s14? wtf.

09-16-2003, 02:00 PM	#16
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	hehe... it'll handle it just fine until it can no longer handle it __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-16-2003, 05:38 PM	#18
Dr_Kyle Better Than Ever AKA: Doctor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 2,116 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	http://www.subarustore.com/hkssafr.html I had planned to get one anyway... Would this be good? __________________ Looking for Performance Parts? Click Here to check out Doctor Speed! Best ET: 14.664 @ 94.82 MPH Doctor Speed - Grand Am Performance Parts My Cardomain Page

09-16-2003, 06:01 PM	#19
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	Don't forget this vital piece of equipment !!! j/k Have fun Doc - you know if you need wiring diagrams, shoot me a PM. I'd help you out with harness extensions but all the goodies aren't here yet for them. __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

09-16-2003, 06:44 PM	#20
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	If you don't plan on boosting over 10psi stock injectors should be fine. A rising rate FMU from vortech would be a very good way to go, but you'll have to do a little modification to the fuel rail and return line in order to use it. A good performance shop should be able to help you out with that. Good luck. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

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