Turbo kit....

[95-GT]

ok, I know I wont get mine finished untill spring...but the guy who is doing mine would like to see the intrest that the Grand Am Owners have for a turbo kit, and will actually buy one when completed. He promised not to go over $3500, and not be alcohol injected. So post it up here if you would be intrested in a kit like this, PLUS a piggy-back computer system as a option for $350ish that you can control boost, timing, extra injectors, transmission,etc. It can control EVERYthing that is computer controlled on the car. We also have access to a dyno to make up a perfect "program" for the project.

[phantom505]

Originally posted by 95-GT
not to go over $3500, and not be alcohol injected. So post it up here if you would be intrested in a kit like this, PLUS a piggy-back computer system as a option for $350ish that you can control boost, timing, extra injectors, transmission,etc. It can control EVERYthing that is computer controlled on the car. We also have access to a dyno to make up a perfect "program" for the project.

I'll believe it when I see it. And who said that the other kit would be over $3500?

WHAT PART OF THE OTHER KIT IS GOING TO HAVE INJECTORS AND A COMPUTER TUNE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

I guess you must be an aspiring politician.

[PontiacGT2K]

Damn dude.... I don't think he was necissarily comparing the kit to the one you're getting developed.....other than the Alchohol injection bit.

[Irate]

Originally posted by PontiacGT2K
Damn dude.... I don't think he was necissarily comparing the kit to the one you're getting developed.....other than the Alchohol injection bit.

Gonna move this to the Boost section... good luck!

[nocutt]

SUUUURRRRREEEEE...
$3500 bucks...good luck!

[95-GT]

why do you say goodluck? We priced it all out and CAN be done.

[kubiache]

Dude, if you can pull it off....

I still say I will have boost by spring, but who knows. I'd love to see it done. And I assume this is in Detroit somewhere, which is a lot closer to me than NM or whereever Phantom's project is.

-----Definately interested.

I don't see why it can't be done. HRC mass produces kits for my car for 2200 shipped to the door.

depending on manifolds, materials and which pieces they use, 3500 is easily done. Hell for 3500 I can get a super 20g, front mount and injectors.

[95-GT]

Headers: $500 (Or $150 for the crossover cheap way only)
Turbo: $300
BOV: $150
Wastegate: $225
I/C: $400
Piping: $350
Other ****: under $500


Its 1 AM and I cant think of ne more.

[nocutt]

Trust me...a kit development is easier said then done! Not to dissuade you or anything like that, but unless you are doing this yourself and are getting parts at a very good deal then I will say OK, but a kit will mean top end reliable parts...a turbo for 3bills is telling me two things...a small turbo or a used turbo!??! Remember I said kit! I am sure a few ppl can get a new turbo for that price but not on a kit which will be intended for the masses...also engine management? Except something hit the market within the last few months...I don't and have never seen a '$350 ish' product for GM cars with all the features you have listed...so I say enlighten us some more or be realistic...

[95-GT]

I picked up my T04B for $325 shipped brand new....and $25 more for my guy to get the exhaust side jet coated. I can get maby of these at this price...of even T3's for a lil cheaper. The engine managment runs off a laptop, but we can make it so it doesnt. I dont remember the name of the program/piggyback, but I will get it next time I talk to him which will be soon.

[nocutt]

Originally posted by nocutt
...Not to dissuade you or anything like that, but unless you are doing this yourself and are getting parts at a very good deal then I will say OK,...also engine management? Except something hit the market within the last few months...I don't and have never seen a '$350 ish' product for GM cars with all the features you have listed...

Originally posted by nocutt
Trust me...a kit development is easier said then done! Not to dissuade you or anything like that, but unless you are doing this yourself and are getting parts at a very good deal then I will say OK, but a kit will mean top end reliable parts...a turbo for 3bills is telling me two things...a small turbo or a used turbo!??! Remember I said kit! I am sure a few ppl can get a new turbo for that price but not on a kit which will be intended for the masses...also engine management? Except something hit the market within the last few months...I don't and have never seen a '$350 ish' product for GM cars with all the features you have listed...so I say enlighten us some more or be realistic...

i have absolutely no clue what he's using as far as parts wise but I can tell you this from my experiences

Hahn Racecraft made my turbo kit for my avenger

For only $2,200 (3,300 for the kit with an FMIC) you get the following.

All brand new piping
bosch blow off valve (3000gt style)
cartech 12:1 rising rate fuel pressure regulator
electronic voltage clamp for the map sensor
all fittings/tees/lines
piping
brand new super 16g turbo
brand new cast iron turbo manifold
downpipe
fuel pump
all accessories needed to run a fuel return line

hahn racecraft kits are 100% complete, u don't need anything. They even come with gauges and all, and like I said, they start out at 2,200 for a setup (shipped to the door, no shipping charges.)

[PontiacGT2K]

Originally posted by Glacius
i have absolutely no clue what he's using as far as parts wise but I can tell you this from my experiences

Hahn Racecraft made my turbo kit for my avenger

For only $2,200 (3,300 for the kit with an FMIC) you get the following.

All brand new piping
bosch blow off valve (3000gt style)
cartech 12:1 rising rate fuel pressure regulator
electronic voltage clamp for the map sensor
all fittings/tees/lines
piping
brand new super 16g turbo
brand new cast iron turbo manifold
downpipe
fuel pump
all accessories needed to run a fuel return line

hahn racecraft kits are 100% complete, u don't need anything. They even come with gauges and all, and like I said, they start out at 2,200 for a setup (shipped to the door, no shipping charges.)

And they're located in IL, right? Hm...............

yup

www.turbosystem.com check 'em out, don't be slow (link fixed)

[phantom505]

Link doesn't work, but I have a few questions about that.....

1) No headers? What does he use a ported manifold?
2) Anything for the heat soak?
3) Hmm... no IC and no spark control?..... muy malo, el motor va a estalle
4) What exactly a 16G turbo? If anywhere near a T3 in size is probably too small. T3/T4 hybrids are about right.

a super 16g is pretty much what most dsm's use as an upgrade. It's a brand new turbo manifold tob put on the car, not a factory exhaust manifold. Most cars can compensate themselves for low boost levels. knock sensors pull timing, ignition systems generally aren't that weak (my factory ignition is good at over 30psi)

location isn't a problem for heatsoak, u can see the turbo loc. @ http://members.cardomain.com/glacius331. The most it needs is an asbestos wrap on the upper hose so it doesn't burst.

and IC isn't needed for a stage one only running 6psi. Once u go into stage 2 they start off at a side-mount with options for a front mount IC. Fuel control and accessories are also covered in the kit.

[phantom505]

Again, you are on GRANDAMGT.com/fourm and we are discussing an engine with about 50% more dispacement than your car.

Not some DSM or Dodge site. You can't mount it like that on our cars. The space for a turbo sits right underneath the intake side of the engine.

As I recall, DSM turbos are tiny.

An IC isn't required under 6 lbs? Why bother? Get some domed pistons and good set of heads and you'll put a car with a whopping 6psi to shame.

If you think your ignition system will save the engine, WRONG. Just ask Homegrown about that. Or ITS who has blown up at least one and as many as three engines. AND if does pull timing, it will pull waaay too much. They don't go down by a degree or two, in much larger increments. Maybe Dodge has a better ignition, but GM's won't do squat if you detonate bad enough.

And if you have to upgrade your turbo to hit 350 HP then its too small for us. A T3/T4 hybird with a 57mm wheel can dish out a max of 500 HP.

It looks like you have a good project going, but working with GM 60*V6 is an entirely different beast.

I never said it was the same. I just simply said that it's quite possible to build a kit for that kind of money. Nor did I ever claim to be a grand am expert.

Things I have seen many a times before though is the fact of people that get so wrapped up in sport compact car and other mag reading that they think it's the only way to do things when it's not. I've seen people tell me you HAVE to run stand-alone fuel management on anything with an aftermarket turbo, when 95% of the cars I've come across, especially obd2, is more then capable of adapting to the changes until you physically max out their parts (like a fuel injector by chance).

And trust me, we're doing turbo v6's on our site too, I know you're not going to be mounting a turbo there, christ. I've worked on more turbo cars and turbo applications then most people have driven, trust me I know where I'm coming from when it comes down the basics of what can be done and how to do it.

I didn't realize somebody would be so opposed to an outside opinion that's done these things before. Has anybody physically tested something as simple as just using a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and factory injectors for a small turbo setup. Anybody here ever try a pentometer tied into the knock sensor to varry it's signal to pull timing? Have you ever even heard of an 034 fuel injector controller as a secondary fuel system for under boost?

I'm not here to tell you how to do it, why to do it, with what parts or when. What I do offer is 7 years of background with it and enough experience to run circles around most people when it comes to it. It's like a doctor telling u to get a second opinion, you can listen to what is said or just ignore it, it's all yours to choose.

[phantom505]

People have used FMU's on our cars for quite some time. Others claim that the GM computer will pull enough timing. However, all of this was done on an SC, most of them roots or centrifuge.

I think will so much boost at such a low RPMs (turbo vs SC) that we will run into problems. ITS is not a company I would deal with, but the fact that they wanted to run 3 psi tells me they have serious fuel and igntion problems that they couldn't solve.

Only one person had a functional turbo for a while and that is Homegrown. He managed to blow up by advancing timing too much at 10 psi.

I've been beating my head against a wall with this project that I started back in June/July and there is no easy solutions. However, despite warning after warning, people keep trying to come up with this cheap way of doing a turbo. From what I can tell, there is no such luck with this car. If there was, there would be more than just oneoption out on the market for forced induction. (a centrifuge SC currently)

I want an outside point of view, that's how the company I'm working with came of with the "dreaded" alcohol injection idea. They borrowed that from F-bodies and Mustangs that were running 9-10's. The best solution is to get larger injectors (right now Multec II's are tough to find) with a tuned program (almost if not worse than locating injectors).

If I was going to do this all agian, I would just put the money into some pistons and heads with a good program and leave it at that.