I have a leak right here.. Pic included.

AaronGAGT · 11-05-2003, 08:55 PM

Its oil... sometimes the coolant gets low for some reason. What is it? gasket leak i'm almost sure... so AaronGTR tells me.. just gettin 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions.

p.s. This is mr. Pace's engine.

videoman · 11-05-2003, 09:01 PM

Sure sounds like a head gasket leak. check your oil..does it have a creamy color of sorts? if so get it fixed soon as possible cause it can cause alot of worse off problems.

AaronGAGT · 11-05-2003, 10:01 PM

No creamy/milky colors yet... also there's a helluva lot of steam coming from the exhaust... and sometimes when my car is hot enough.. the heat in my car feels like steam almost..

Panacea · 11-06-2003, 12:18 AM

Looks about the right spot for the infamous intake manifold leak. Mine was puddling up on both sides of the engine in the same spots.

If it's puddling, get it looked at, if it's just a little seepage that looks to like it's running down, but nothing more, than it's normal.

grandam1697 · 11-06-2003, 10:27 AM

Intake manifold gasket. That is it. Do you have warrenty on it?? If so take it to the deal to get fixed. I had it priced without warrenty and it was $800 + tax. I advise getting it done soon. They will also change your oil and flush the coolent. Good luck.

jadog1230 · 11-06-2003, 10:38 AM

my car just went in for the lower intake manifold gasket today, $610 +tax to get it fixed.

mfuller · 11-06-2003, 10:50 AM

If it's just a little seepage, you're probably OK. But if you constanly are having to dump in more coolant, it won't be long before your motor looks like THIS (link to ClubGP).

11-06-2003, 11:22 AM

Are you sure guys. He did say he's having excess emissions. If your head gasket is gone and you're burning coolant, you'll have a big white cloud beind you. I stress BIG and white. It will also linger around and smell sweet.

Don't mistake a white cloud for regular emissions though. If it's cold out, you will see your emissions more. It's water vapour. It's not a huge ammount though and disappears fairly quick after leaving your tailpipe. It will smell like normal car fumes.

You did say your coolant is going low. Can you see it coming out anywhere? Or is it just going low and you're like WTF? You sohuld be able to tell whick is the head gasket and which is the lower intake manifold gasket. Where is the trail coming from?

AaronGAGT · 11-06-2003, 12:48 PM

Hey Filter... there's not a white cloud like i'm burning oil or anything. Its just steam... but it seems like a lot to me. I cannot see anywhere that coolant is leaking... sometimes it just gets low and I'm like wtf. Like i said tho, I dont see any creamy looking stuff in my oil or anything.

I'm just kinda confused with what people are telling me tho. I have no idea how to tell if its the head gasket or that other one (upper intake manifold gasket???

) I really dont know... starting to get more confused i guess.

I have no warrantee... so I think i'm gonna take it to a family friend's shop. But i wanna be able to tell him exactly whats wrong and make sure i get the new style gasket instead of the POS that fux up after 10,000 miles.

11-06-2003, 02:42 PM

Either way, the lower intake manifold gasket is gonna get replaced. Cause even if it is the headgasket, you gotta take the lower intake manifold off to get at it. It IS colder now so you are gonna see your exhaust more than summer. There's that freak snow storm that's going right accross the north (and you're in MI so it's colder there too now) so the cooler temps are gonna make your exhaust more noticable than in the warm.

Honestly, head gaskets aren't SUPER common on the 60 degree V6's, but they do happen once and awhile. I'd say LIM gasket too, but the steam comment threw me off.

AaronGAGT · 11-06-2003, 02:53 PM

... so which gasket(s) do i need to replace?

ViperGTSR · 11-06-2003, 02:57 PM

lower intake manifold gaskets, make sure when u buy the new set they have metal discs one either side of the bolt holes

Amber99ga · 11-06-2003, 04:30 PM

oh great, sound like my car is having the same problem dumped coolant in and about 4 weeks later my lights starting to come back on again once in a while when I'm driving......#&$%*@^$ piece of $hit car! agggh...too bad I have no money, and no waranty...I'm telling you someone needs to blow it up!

AaronGAGT · 11-07-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ViperGTSR_500hp
lower intake manifold gaskets, make sure when u buy the new set they have metal discs one either side of the bolt holes

thanks sir.

Blackrider · 11-07-2003, 07:42 PM

Steam is compleatly Normal. If you have A Frothy Milcky Coating on your oil filler cap then you are in trouble.

71Z28RS · 11-08-2003, 06:27 AM

Actually, it is possible to have the steam not be normal. If the intake gasket is ok and the head gasket is bad, the coolant won't get into the crank case, so you won't get that frothy stuff under the fill cap. But, the bad head gasket could let the coolant leak out of the side of the head, and let it leak into the combustion chamber and cause steam out of the exhaust. Really hard on your plugs, your oxygen sensor, and your catylitic converters.

Blackrider · 11-08-2003, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 73Z28RS
Actually, it is possible to have the steam not be normal. If the intake gasket is ok and the head gasket is bad, the coolant won't get into the crank case, so you won't get that frothy stuff under the fill cap. But, the bad head gasket could let the coolant leak out of the side of the head, and let it leak into the combustion chamber and cause steam out of the exhaust. Really hard on your plugs, your oxygen sensor, and your catylitic converters.

No Kidding but thats not Steam is Smoke and you can see that when its hot out. Only one way to check. Pull all your Plugs, if they are white your burning colant.

AaronGAGT · 11-08-2003, 02:25 PM

I just changed all my plugs and wires 2 weeks ago.. and they were just corroded. I assure you that there is no smoke... its strictly steam... heavy at times.

But you guys just confused the hell out of me. Is it a bad head gasket or a bad lower intake manifold gasket?? Which one am I getting from the dealer???

Blackrider · 11-08-2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronGAGT
I just changed all my plugs and wires 2 weeks ago.. and they were just corroded. I assure you that there is no smoke... its strictly steam... heavy at times.

But you guys just confused the hell out of me. Is it a bad head gasket or a bad lower intake manifold gasket?? Which one am I getting from the dealer???

Well If you have Coolan leaking right buy the Block on the right side just above the tranny its the lower intake manifold.

AaronGAGT · 11-09-2003, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackrider
Well If you have Coolan leaking right buy the Block on the right side just above the tranny its the lower intake manifold.

I think its oil....

11-05-2003, 08:55 PM	#1
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	I have a leak right here.. Pic included. Its oil... sometimes the coolant gets low for some reason. What is it? gasket leak i'm almost sure... so AaronGTR tells me.. just gettin 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions. p.s. This is mr. Pace's engine. Last edited by AaronGAGT; 01-31-2008 at 12:04 PM.

11-05-2003, 09:01 PM	#2
videoman I shoot people. AKA: Mr. President Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winnipeg - Cruise capital Posts: 336 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT Coupe	Sure sounds like a head gasket leak. check your oil..does it have a creamy color of sorts? if so get it fixed soon as possible cause it can cause alot of worse off problems. __________________ Shooting people since day 1! MGAC

11-06-2003, 12:18 AM	#4
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Looks about the right spot for the infamous intake manifold leak. Mine was puddling up on both sides of the engine in the same spots. If it's puddling, get it looked at, if it's just a little seepage that looks to like it's running down, but nothing more, than it's normal. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

11-06-2003, 10:38 AM	#6
jadog1230 Got Badges? AKA: Jason Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Stow, Ohio Age: 36 Posts: 149 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1	my car just went in for the lower intake manifold gasket today, $610 +tax to get it fixed. __________________ My Cardomain Site CAI, SLP exhaust, B&M shift kit, and one kick @$$ interior.

11-06-2003, 10:50 AM	#7
mfuller Mr. Common Sense AKA: Matt Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Loves Park, IL USA Age: 47 Posts: 2,031 Vehicle: 2000 Alero GLS sedan	If it's just a little seepage, you're probably OK. But if you constanly are having to dump in more coolant, it won't be long before your motor looks like THIS (link to ClubGP). __________________ Matt - Resident brake and suspension guru Also, your friendly Performance and Technical Moderator *Please don't tailgate, text and drive, drink and drive, or otherwise act like an asshat.* Questioning if it will ever run again.....

11-05-2003, 10:01 PM	#3
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	No creamy/milky colors yet... also there's a helluva lot of steam coming from the exhaust... and sometimes when my car is hot enough.. the heat in my car feels like steam almost..

11-06-2003, 10:27 AM	#5
grandam1697 GAGT - Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Age: 44 Posts: 58 Vehicle: '99 GrandAm SE V6 4Dr.	Intake manifold gasket. That is it. Do you have warrenty on it?? If so take it to the deal to get fixed. I had it priced without warrenty and it was $800 + tax. I advise getting it done soon. They will also change your oil and flush the coolent. Good luck.

11-06-2003, 11:22 AM	#8
Filter Guest Posts: n/a	Are you sure guys. He did say he's having excess emissions. If your head gasket is gone and you're burning coolant, you'll have a big white cloud beind you. I stress BIG and white. It will also linger around and smell sweet. Don't mistake a white cloud for regular emissions though. If it's cold out, you will see your emissions more. It's water vapour. It's not a huge ammount though and disappears fairly quick after leaving your tailpipe. It will smell like normal car fumes. You did say your coolant is going low. Can you see it coming out anywhere? Or is it just going low and you're like WTF? You sohuld be able to tell whick is the head gasket and which is the lower intake manifold gasket. Where is the trail coming from? Last edited by Filter; 11-06-2003 at 11:25 AM.

11-06-2003, 12:48 PM	#9
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	Hey Filter... there's not a white cloud like i'm burning oil or anything. Its just steam... but it seems like a lot to me. I cannot see anywhere that coolant is leaking... sometimes it just gets low and I'm like wtf. Like i said tho, I dont see any creamy looking stuff in my oil or anything. I'm just kinda confused with what people are telling me tho. I have no idea how to tell if its the head gasket or that other one (upper intake manifold gasket??? ) I really dont know... starting to get more confused i guess. I have no warrantee... so I think i'm gonna take it to a family friend's shop. But i wanna be able to tell him exactly whats wrong and make sure i get the new style gasket instead of the POS that fux up after 10,000 miles.

11-06-2003, 02:42 PM	#10
Filter Guest Posts: n/a	Either way, the lower intake manifold gasket is gonna get replaced. Cause even if it is the headgasket, you gotta take the lower intake manifold off to get at it. It IS colder now so you are gonna see your exhaust more than summer. There's that freak snow storm that's going right accross the north (and you're in MI so it's colder there too now) so the cooler temps are gonna make your exhaust more noticable than in the warm. Honestly, head gaskets aren't SUPER common on the 60 degree V6's, but they do happen once and awhile. I'd say LIM gasket too, but the steam comment threw me off.

11-06-2003, 02:53 PM	#11
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	... so which gasket(s) do i need to replace?

11-06-2003, 02:57 PM	#12
ViperGTSR i <3 my lanyard AKA: Alex Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: High Desert, SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,260 Vehicle: Turbo Biodiesel \| R1	lower intake manifold gaskets, make sure when u buy the new set they have metal discs one either side of the bolt holes __________________ House mods are the new car mods

11-06-2003, 04:30 PM	#13
Amber99ga Vet Tech's FTW! AKA: Amber Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Parma, MI Age: 39 Posts: 571 Vehicle: 2005 Chevy Trailblazer	oh great, sound like my car is having the same problem dumped coolant in and about 4 weeks later my lights starting to come back on again once in a while when I'm driving......#&$%*@^$ piece of $hit car! agggh...too bad I have no money, and no waranty...I'm telling you someone needs to blow it up!

11-07-2003, 07:42 PM	#15
Blackrider Ifeast Upon The Weak AKA: Jordie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Victoria B.C. Age: 36 Posts: 3,048 Vehicle: 06 GTP 6Speed	Steam is compleatly Normal. If you have A Frothy Milcky Coating on your oil filler cap then you are in trouble. __________________ 60DegreeGTP

11-08-2003, 06:27 AM	#16
71Z28RS Build It Yourself Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Westland, MI Age: 44 Posts: 246 Vehicle: 1996 Grand Am GT	Actually, it is possible to have the steam not be normal. If the intake gasket is ok and the head gasket is bad, the coolant won't get into the crank case, so you won't get that frothy stuff under the fill cap. But, the bad head gasket could let the coolant leak out of the side of the head, and let it leak into the combustion chamber and cause steam out of the exhaust. Really hard on your plugs, your oxygen sensor, and your catylitic converters. __________________ "Trust me....... fuel injection is just a fad......so are CV joints" "Life was easier when fuel supply was measured in cfm's, not in psi"

11-08-2003, 02:25 PM	#18
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	I just changed all my plugs and wires 2 weeks ago.. and they were just corroded. I assure you that there is no smoke... its strictly steam... heavy at times. But you guys just confused the hell out of me. Is it a bad head gasket or a bad lower intake manifold gasket?? Which one am I getting from the dealer???

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