Competition Setup

[GTkid]

I know alot of you guys do competitions and the like... i was just wondering what kind of setups you have. what subs are most common or the best quality subs, what amps are rated best and that kind of stuff i want to start competing and i just wanna know what is in store.

[grandGTR]

what a huge topic ...

Well it all depends on budget and your ultimate goal really. If you want to have teh best staging and soundQ or do you want serious bass and extreme SPL.

A lot of people enjoy competing in teh low watt spl classes. You can get a high dollar amp bridged to 1 ohm that will toss out thousand watts, yet be reated about 100, and you can rack up the awards, but not much of a daily listining system, due to the heat generated.

In general I would says for subs: solo-baric, JL W7, Diamond Audio, Eclipse... And avoid the eXplode, tornado, crunch, pyle...

Amps: Xtant, Zappco, JL, Viper, Directed, Pheonix Gold, Alpine... And avoid: jenson, blaukpunt, or any low line. Amps are very important and often overlooked. this is the heart of the sytems power and clarity. A speaker cna be tweeked with box demensions and installation techniques, but your amps clarity is as good as you buy. For SPL you want an amp stable at low ohms at least 2. Since the idea is to bridege it down with the highest load possible for max spl and power output. The classes are divided up buy the 4ohm rated power, so like I said earlier keep yourself in th elowest bracket possible by running amps at lower ohms. For quality better stick with 4 ohms or higher. It is a more stable signal, but odds are only the computer will know the difference you ear will not.

Speakers: Diamond Audio, Infinity Perfect, Boston. There are a lot of good mids and highs out there, but just get what you need as far as power handeling and range. Some drivers can be over 800 bucks a set and they might not be the best for your application, eventhought they cost the most. And avoid: lower line Pioneer, eXplode, oem (he he he).... The stats on a quality speaker will be obvious.


so what are you planning on doing?

[GTkid]

what about infinity subs? i look at alot of competing cars and see MTX, Kicker, and Alpines mostly. i want BOOOOOOMMMMM dont care about "oo it sounds pretty" i just want it to SOUND. im a numbers guy more numbers means im that damn good.

Originally posted by GTkid
what about infinity subs? i look at alot of competing cars and see MTX, Kicker, and Alpines mostly. i want BOOOOOOMMMMM dont care about "oo it sounds pretty" i just want it to SOUND. im a numbers guy more numbers means im that damn good.

Infinity are more the "oo it sounds pretty" type of subs Although the Infinity kappa perfects do put out some serious SPL(Don't get me wrong, they do have some BOOOMMM), they cannot compete with the likes of a JL W7 or a Solo Baric L7. The Infinity Perfects are an attempt to get some SPL while maintaining high SQ. I am very happy with mine, but if I wanted to compete, I would have bought something else.

For sheer heart stopping SPL, a couple of 12" JL W7's can easily be tuned to put out in the 150 db range. Or if you don't care if you loose your trunk altogether AND have a REALLY good installer available, you could try something like a TTL box with a single 15 or 12 and get some glass breaking, eardrum bursting, knock tha hat off yer head BASS.

[zx7ninja]

Image Dynamics IDmax...........best of both worlds. Insanely loud AND sound "pretty".

[grandGTR]

Originally posted by GTkid
what about infinity subs? i look at alot of competing cars and see MTX, Kicker, and Alpines mostly. i want BOOOOOOMMMMM dont care about "oo it sounds pretty" i just want it to SOUND. im a numbers guy more numbers means im that damn good.

Well grab your self a set of JL W7 subs, or some of the Diamond Audio subs with plenty of power from and Xtant, Jl, Viper or other high current high quality amp and you will be more than loud, you will be extreme Of course the more subs and amps you get the more air you will be moving, but wth 2 12 or 13" W7s you will be extremely loud.

Most cars have th epopular brand slike kicker and MTX, and they are good subs and products, but there are better for comp at least. the Perfect subs are some of the best I have heard. very very clean and loud, but you will not get the same spl output from a W7 with a perfect sub.

Also go to b-quiet.com and get 50 or 60 sqft of matting to keep things from ratteling and keep your bass in the car.

[Travis99Gt]

Buddy of mine is running 1 REALLY high end phoenix gold amp with a single 15" Solo L7 and he's hitting almost 150 DB as is... He has another sub and another identical amp that he hasn't even put in yet. Custom box though, has about 6 cubic feet per sub. Takes up most of the back of his pathfinder. Has over 600 dollars in just wiring

what do you guys think would be louder 1 15" L7 solo with about 3,000 watts to it or 2 10" solo L7's with around 1,200-1,500 watts to each one? im trying to decide which setup would be louder for me to get.

[Travis99Gt]

Get 1 15 with a BUNCH of power in a custom box, that'd be SWEET in the back of our cars

[grass]

Originally posted by GrandAmSC/T
what do you guys think would be louder 1 15" L7 solo with about 3,000 watts to it or 2 10" solo L7's with around 1,200-1,500 watts to each one? im trying to decide which setup would be louder for me to get.

i would do 2 L7 12s with a ported box put bout 1200 to each one and OMG it would be loud


i have 2 12 L5's and it moves my hair when my bass hits, a girl was in my car last nite and she told me to turn it down her hair was getting messed up (windows were up btw)

[GTkid]

i was at an alpine dealer today. they are also like JL certified and **** so i think i can trust them. anyway, i heard the JL w3's and wow, i was impressed, maybe due to lack of me ever really hearing a good system becuase every go hard in my neighborhood gets a jerry rig at circuit city and thinks his car hits like all hell. anyway they were very loud, i was wearing wind pants and they were blowing my pants around. however it WAS a custom enclosure and it was relativly large. anyhow i was asking him also about what type of amp to use and whatnot, i right now have a JBL600.1 D class amp but this is what "the guy" said. he said that my JBL amp which says it puts out 600 watts with a 2 ohm load will in reality only use about 400 watts because i have only 2 30 fuses in my amp. he then proceeded to map up the equation for total amp power which he says is (12.5V x total fuse x .60 = total amp power) he also said something about ohms law but i dont remember exactly. so now im pretty sure i know what subs to get... either the JL Wsomething's or the Kicker L5's 12" either way though is this guy right about fuses? because i do only have 60 fuse in my amp, if so do i need to send my amp back or what? im a little in a rut here.

[grass]

its a general rule of thumb, power = amps x volts

so 60 x 12 which is 720 watts but i believe that your car would run at 14.4 volts when on right? so 60 x14.4 is 864 watts, max.

that JBL amp is a great amp, it'll push those subs fine, i have a kenwood 300x1 amp to my sub, it thumps nicely, i only have 1 30amp fuse in mine too so you have 2x the power of mine

btw i got that amp on my 12" L5

[grandGTR]

Originally posted by GTkid
i was at an alpine dealer today. they are also like JL certified and **** so i think i can trust them. anyway, i heard the JL w3's and wow, i was impressed, maybe due to lack of me ever really hearing a good system becuase every go hard in my neighborhood gets a jerry rig at circuit city and thinks his car hits like all hell. anyway they were very loud, i was wearing wind pants and they were blowing my pants around. however it WAS a custom enclosure and it was relativly large. anyhow i was asking him also about what type of amp to use and whatnot, i right now have a JBL600.1 D class amp but this is what "the guy" said. he said that my JBL amp which says it puts out 600 watts with a 2 ohm load will in reality only use about 400 watts because i have only 2 30 fuses in my amp. he then proceeded to map up the equation for total amp power which he says is (12.5V x total fuse x .60 = total amp power) he also said something about ohms law but i dont remember exactly. so now im pretty sure i know what subs to get... either the JL Wsomething's or the Kicker L5's 12" either way though is this guy right about fuses? because i do only have 60 fuse in my amp, if so do i need to send my amp back or what? im a little in a rut here.

You ought to get 3 JLW6 10" (or 12 if you have the cash). with around 1000w, will be plenty. maybe mroe and even less depending on the budgeet. Those subs sound great do not cost an arm and a leg (just an arm ), and you will love it. The W3 are good too, but lookinto the W6, or W7.

[grass]

what do the JL W6v2 run? i compared them to my solobarics ( a kid i met that drove a GA has 2 12 w6v2's in his trunk on JBL 600.1) well my solo's hit louder, his hit tighter, could be mine was ported but his was sealed

either way you go you'll have a great setup.


but whatever you do PORT IT!

[GTkid]

i dont see any w6 12" subs on JL's site, only 10s, the 12" come in W0 W3 and W7 nevermind i found them.

[grandGTR]

oh maybe the do nto make the W6 line anymore. That was a good driver. One thing though if you get the JLs either build a sealed box or get them to build you the box to sprc. They are very box dependent when vented or ported, but the isntaller can do it prfectly I Am sure.

Well My old 3 10W6 were louder than my 2 12" solo-barics, but they blew after a fe wweeks, and the solos ahave lasted years. I blew a lot of JL subs actually. I know they are good quality since others ahve had them for a long time, but I have never seen a driver last like my solo-barics. .

The W3 is also a good speaker, and the W0 too, but not as much pwer can be dirven to them for that extra spl.

[grass]

for your W6's they coulda been in too small of a box with too much power, the biger the box the more power it can stand. i blew my 15 W0 after 3 days but i had 500watts going to it and a 1.5 sealed box

[grandGTR]

Originally posted by grass
for your W6's they coulda been in too small of a box with too much power, the biger the box the more power it can stand. i blew my 15 W0 after 3 days but i had 500watts going to it and a 1.5 sealed box

na it was a good box, and one was even their box. . The best set I had were actualyl 2 10W1s in a bandpass box from them. OMG it was amazing, but I sold it.

But the 15W6 I had had a lot of power and that series used the same coil as the 10 version so it melted quick. The shop said the newer series uped the size on that though.

[grass]

maybe thats the reason the W6V2 came out, the second version, more improved

Originally posted by grass
for your W6's they coulda been in too small of a box with too much power, the biger the box the more power it can stand. i blew my 15 W0 after 3 days but i had 500watts going to it and a 1.5 sealed box

I've never heard that B4. I have always heard the opposite. That a larger box offers less control over excursion and therefore less power handling. That's because subs use lots of power if and when they exceed their x-max.