Volkswagen Phaeton News: Reported to be discontinued in a few years

Vintalage · 01-16-2004, 02:43 PM

"DETROIT (Reuters) - Volkswagen, the company long synonymous with the inexpensive Beetle, on Wednesday put a $94,600 price tag on ultra-luxury versions of its Phaeton sedan in the United States -- making it the highest-priced VW ever.
Europe's largest carmaker began selling a 335-horsepower V8 version of the Phaeton last November at a price of $64,600.

The 420-horsepower, 12-cylinder model, which VW touts as "the ultimate flagship of the Volkswagen brand," has only recently become available to U.S. car buyers.

At a base price of nearly $95,000, the Phaeton W12 is the most expensive VW ever, Volkswagen's U.S. subsidiary acknowledged in a press release.

Even so, it added, the model was also "the most affordable 12-cylinder vehicle on sale in the U.S. market." Its closest competitors include the BMW 760Li, which starts at about $116,000, and the Mercedes S600, priced from $122,000.

The 2004 New Beetle from VW -- while not exactly the "people's car" the company took its name from -- has a 115-horsepower engine and a base price with a five-speed manual transmission of $16,330 in the U.S. market."

Check this video out of the phaeton w12.
http://www.funpedia.net/vids/topgear_video/071.zip

Damn. Woah!!!

Ant · 01-16-2004, 03:13 PM

ya know, i saw a commerical for it yestarday on tv. I was thinking...hmm, this looks cool...i saw ~ 40 grand. Then i saw the w-12 badge and i was like......"oh well f*** that"...

Mike3800 · 01-16-2004, 03:49 PM

I've always said VW was full of ****. 30 grand for a Damn top of the line Jetta? That's complete BS.

Vintalage · 01-16-2004, 04:47 PM

But did you see the video of it? Gotta say that i'm impressed. Amazing features and technology in that ride.

Mike3800 · 01-16-2004, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vintalage
But did you see the video of it? Gotta say that i'm impressed. Amazing features and technology in that ride.

I am downloading it right now, I am sure the vehicle itself is impressive.

Actually, I am impressed with alot of VW's. The Golf GTI VR6, 1.8T, Jetta VR6 etc...

But the prices are insane!! Crap... for the price of a loaded Jetta I could get a prettly well but not fully loaded Maxima.

Either way thanks for posting this. As usual, good find. I don't agree with you on alot of things but you find the most interesting stuff to post in here.

Mike3800 · 01-16-2004, 05:19 PM

Damn. That car is pretty amazing. That girl wasn't bad either.

thehemi · 01-16-2004, 06:23 PM

$95,000 for a Volkswagon? That is almost
as bad as folks paying $130K for a Ford.

The VW Jetta GL VR6 for $23K is not too bad.
I almost put in on the wife's wish list this year,
but it does not come with an automatic option.
(Some of us prefer not to jack with any gears.)

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-18-2004, 03:26 PM

Wow, just wow! How did they get that thing to do 201 mph?? I can't believe that thing has to meet all those requirements. I wonder what the other 11 rediculous ones were? Amazing.

ZakkWylde470 · 01-18-2004, 04:34 PM

That car is SICK.

01-19-2004, 08:59 PM

its a great car...heated and cooled seats in the back...thats nice. the rear comfort/whatever controls are awsome! it seems like an overall nice car...and 95 doesnt seem too too steep...

hotgt · 01-20-2004, 06:34 PM

it's on par with the new Audi A8L...that car is amazing, and it's freakin huge!! the backseats are so so comfortable, the recline...the rear controls are easy to read, comfortably placed...the car itself is just WOW!!

and it's offered in a W8 as well...they had a W12 on display (couldnt touch it) at NAIAS, and then they had a fully loaded Pheaton W8...that you could sit in...it costs around $65-$70k...IMO if i had the money, i would NOT overlook this car..kudos to VW for making such a high class car

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-20-2004, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hotgt
it's on par with the new Audi A8L...that car is amazing, and it's freakin huge!! the backseats are so so comfortable, the recline...the rear controls are easy to read, comfortably placed...the car itself is just WOW!!

and it's offered in a W8 as well...they had a W12 on display (couldnt touch it) at NAIAS, and then they had a fully loaded Pheaton W8...that you could sit in...it costs around $65-$70k...IMO if i had the money, i would NOT overlook this car..kudos to VW for making such a high class car

The problem comes in that people that do have the money for the car will not wantt to buy "the people's car" when they can buy Benz/BMW/Porsche/Land Rover/Jaguar/Audi. It's also about image, and luxury image VW does not have.

WOLF · 01-22-2004, 02:24 PM

Cheapiest V-12 powered car, but not for long once Caddy starts to drop those nice 500hp V-12's in a couple of choice vehicles.

I'm not a big fan of VW anyway (never heard of a 23grand Jetta VR6, more like 26g with discounts *thats what they wanted me to pay*), I'd much rather pay for BMW or heck I could grab a 911 Turbo and pretend those tiny back seats are useable. You do realize with that money you could pick up both a M5 and a CTS-V both of which make 400+hp with 4 less cylinders and less weight to haul around to boot. Its actually sad that a V-12 only makes 420, especially when GM is fooling with a 600hp "Blue Devil" V-8 and a lesser LS7 which makes "only" 475-500hp. Not to mention Caddy's upcoming V-12 will trounce that VW V-12.

As you can tell I'm more about performance than oggles of creature comfort. The M5 or CTS-V is plenty nicely loaded with crap for me, plus they are fast as **** with *grins*tons of modding capabilities.

I'll pass.

Vintalage · 01-22-2004, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WOLF
As you can tell I'm more about performance than oggles of creature comfort. The M5 or CTS-V is plenty nicely loaded with crap for me, plus they are fast as **** with *grins*tons of modding capabilities.

I'll pass.

It's painfully obvious. But this isn't a performance or sport luxury car. This is a luxury car. Pure luxury. But it can also perform. Now if this were a Audi, I bet you would say "nice." If you haven't noticed, the A8 closely resembles the Phaeton.

With that said, i'm not sure what VW is trying to do with their brand given this car's staggering price tag. We will just have to see how this plays out for them. But seeing this car in person at the autoshow, all I can say is wow!!! It is very nice.

Mike3800 · 01-22-2004, 03:05 PM

I don't care who the **** makes it... this Phanton ROCKS. 420HP? How could I pass? Well... I have to considering I don't have the coin to pay $95,000 for a car.

I do like performance more than creature comfort, but I do like BOTH. This thing has both, and done VERY well. The rest of the car makers should be taking some extensive notes.

hotgt · 01-22-2004, 03:53 PM

^^i have to agree, this car is not performance oriented....it's pure luxury, it's definetly a car you would have to see and experience in person to really be blown away

i think i sat in the reclined backseats for about ten minutes at the autoshow...

louveres · 01-22-2004, 04:12 PM

Nice car, good job VW. It's interesting that they went into the luxury market, but I know BMW and Mercedes are a little worried. This is good competition and will make the others build even better cars. I Like.

Panacea · 01-23-2004, 09:35 PM

Links down, someone needs to host it

Want to show my bro and his friends....

Vintalage · 01-23-2004, 09:55 PM

Are you sure? It seems to be working on my end.

Roush GT · 01-23-2004, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Panacea
Links down, someone needs to host it Want to show my bro and his friends....

working here too

01-16-2004, 02:43 PM	#1
Vintalage Hey paisanos! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 5,490 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT1	Volkswagen Phaeton News: Reported to be discontinued in a few years "DETROIT (Reuters) - Volkswagen, the company long synonymous with the inexpensive Beetle, on Wednesday put a $94,600 price tag on ultra-luxury versions of its Phaeton sedan in the United States -- making it the highest-priced VW ever. Europe's largest carmaker began selling a 335-horsepower V8 version of the Phaeton last November at a price of $64,600. The 420-horsepower, 12-cylinder model, which VW touts as "the ultimate flagship of the Volkswagen brand," has only recently become available to U.S. car buyers. At a base price of nearly $95,000, the Phaeton W12 is the most expensive VW ever, Volkswagen's U.S. subsidiary acknowledged in a press release. Even so, it added, the model was also "the most affordable 12-cylinder vehicle on sale in the U.S. market." Its closest competitors include the BMW 760Li, which starts at about $116,000, and the Mercedes S600, priced from $122,000. The 2004 New Beetle from VW -- while not exactly the "people's car" the company took its name from -- has a 115-horsepower engine and a base price with a five-speed manual transmission of $16,330 in the U.S. market." Check this video out of the phaeton w12. http://www.funpedia.net/vids/topgear_video/071.zip Damn. Woah!!! __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT1 Sedan - Black 7000K HID PICS [SOLD to Jscarano] Last edited by Vintalage; 01-16-2004 at 09:31 PM.

01-16-2004, 03:13 PM	#2
Ant LS2 - Member AKA: Anthony Join Date: May 2003 Location: DC metro area Age: 34 Posts: 2,251 Vehicle: S5/GTO	ya know, i saw a commerical for it yestarday on tv. I was thinking...hmm, this looks cool...i saw ~ 40 grand. Then i saw the w-12 badge and i was like......"oh well f* that"... __________________ USAF -06 IBM GTO/M6 - 477 WHP Best e/t before H/C - 12.71 @ 111.77 -18 Audi S5 Prestige Navarra Blue/A8 - DTUK** Tuned 12.14 @ 111.19

01-16-2004, 04:47 PM	#4
Vintalage Hey paisanos! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 5,490 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT1	But did you see the video of it? Gotta say that i'm impressed. Amazing features and technology in that ride. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT1 Sedan - Black 7000K HID PICS [SOLD to Jscarano]

01-16-2004, 06:23 PM	#7
thehemi GAGT - Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 196 Vehicle: 96 GA, 99 S10	$95,000 for a Volkswagon? That is almost as bad as folks paying $130K for a Ford. The VW Jetta GL VR6 for $23K is not too bad. I almost put in on the wife's wish list this year, but it does not come with an automatic option. (Some of us prefer not to jack with any gears.) __________________ Scott Moseman 96 GASE \| 04 GPGT \| 99 S10 http://www.Highflow.com/ http://www.TheHemi.com/

01-18-2004, 04:34 PM	#9
ZakkWylde470 Tae Kwon Flow Master AKA: Marty Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wherever I May Roam Age: 37 Posts: 613 Vehicle: '99 Ram 1500 Sport 4x4	That car is SICK. __________________ "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

01-16-2004, 03:49 PM	#3
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	I've always said VW was full of ****. 30 grand for a Damn top of the line Jetta? That's complete BS.

01-16-2004, 05:19 PM	#6
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	Damn. That car is pretty amazing. That girl wasn't bad either.

01-18-2004, 03:26 PM	#8
VTECSiGAH8R GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Miami, FL Age: 36 Posts: 1,346 Vehicle: 97 Honda Civic DX	Wow, just wow! How did they get that thing to do 201 mph?? I can't believe that thing has to meet all those requirements. I wonder what the other 11 rediculous ones were? Amazing.

01-19-2004, 08:59 PM	#10
rodd62 Guest Posts: n/a	its a great car...heated and cooled seats in the back...thats nice. the rear comfort/whatever controls are awsome! it seems like an overall nice car...and 95 doesnt seem too too steep...

01-20-2004, 06:34 PM	#11
hotgt Someone loan me $15! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mansfield, Ohio Age: 37 Posts: 840 Vehicle: 2006 Silver G6	it's on par with the new Audi A8L...that car is amazing, and it's freakin huge!! the backseats are so so comfortable, the recline...the rear controls are easy to read, comfortably placed...the car itself is just WOW!! and it's offered in a W8 as well...they had a W12 on display (couldnt touch it) at NAIAS, and then they had a fully loaded Pheaton W8...that you could sit in...it costs around $65-$70k...IMO if i had the money, i would NOT overlook this car..kudos to VW for making such a high class car __________________ JeFF *Don't argue with stupid people...they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...* My NEW car: 2006 Silver Pontiac G6!!!

01-22-2004, 02:24 PM	#13
WOLF GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Antonio Texas Age: 40 Posts: 321	Haha Cheapiest V-12 powered car, but not for long once Caddy starts to drop those nice 500hp V-12's in a couple of choice vehicles. I'm not a big fan of VW anyway (never heard of a 23grand Jetta VR6, more like 26g with discounts thats what they wanted me to pay), I'd much rather pay for BMW or heck I could grab a 911 Turbo and pretend those tiny back seats are useable. You do realize with that money you could pick up both a M5 and a CTS-V both of which make 400+hp with 4 less cylinders and less weight to haul around to boot. Its actually sad that a V-12 only makes 420, especially when GM is fooling with a 600hp "Blue Devil" V-8 and a lesser LS7 which makes "only" 475-500hp. Not to mention Caddy's upcoming V-12 will trounce that VW V-12. As you can tell I'm more about performance than oggles of creature comfort. The M5 or CTS-V is plenty nicely loaded with crap for me, plus they are fast as **** with grinstons of modding capabilities. I'll pass.

01-22-2004, 03:05 PM	#15
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	I don't care who the **** makes it... this Phanton ROCKS. 420HP? How could I pass? Well... I have to considering I don't have the coin to pay $95,000 for a car. I do like performance more than creature comfort, but I do like BOTH. This thing has both, and done VERY well. The rest of the car makers should be taking some extensive notes.

01-22-2004, 03:53 PM	#16
hotgt Someone loan me $15! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mansfield, Ohio Age: 37 Posts: 840 Vehicle: 2006 Silver G6	^^i have to agree, this car is not performance oriented....it's pure luxury, it's definetly a car you would have to see and experience in person to really be blown away i think i sat in the reclined backseats for about ten minutes at the autoshow... __________________ JeFF *Don't argue with stupid people...they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...* My NEW car: 2006 Silver Pontiac G6!!!

01-22-2004, 04:12 PM	#17
louveres GAGT member AKA: Lou Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Schaumburg, IL Age: 46 Posts: 129 Vehicle: 2002 GAGT sedan	Nice car, good job VW. It's interesting that they went into the luxury market, but I know BMW and Mercedes are a little worried. This is good competition and will make the others build even better cars. I Like. __________________ I'm not tailgating, I'm drafting.

01-23-2004, 09:35 PM	#18
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	Links down, someone needs to host it Want to show my bro and his friends.... __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

01-23-2004, 09:55 PM	#19
Vintalage Hey paisanos! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 5,490 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT1	Are you sure? It seems to be working on my end. __________________ 2002 Grand Am GT1 Sedan - Black 7000K HID PICS [SOLD to Jscarano]

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