GTO vs MACH1

Esco301 · 04-13-2004, 09:19 AM

I don't know if anyone has scene this article but I'll post it anyway..

GTO vs MACH 1

Mike3800 · 04-14-2004, 11:05 AM

Pathetic that a car with the name "GTO" with 5.7liter V8 with 350HP and a 6-speed manual can't shake a 5-speed naturally aspirated Mustang with a little 4.6 engine. What has the world come to? GTO is only 300lbs heavier. That's not much really considering both cars weigh over 3400lbs.

Good thing they didn't compare GTO vs. Cobra.

mr_eh · 04-14-2004, 11:13 AM

sad 60 foot times

VTECSiGAH8R · 04-14-2004, 11:17 AM

Not very good drivers at all.

Mike3800 · 04-14-2004, 11:23 AM

Those are the fastest times I have seen for the GTO with all the original equipment still attached (spare tire still in, stock tires etc...), most other mags only got a 14.0 out of it. That's just plain awful.

95-GT · 04-14-2004, 11:43 AM

I've seen most Mach I's run between a 13.3 and a 13.1.

VTECSiGAH8R · 04-14-2004, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike3800

Those are the fastest times I have seen for the GTO with all the original equipment still attached (spare tire still in, stock tires etc...), most other mags only got a 14.0 out of it. That's just plain awful.

Except the 13.62@104 motor trend pulled right?

Anyway, I thought this was another articleI saw (I didn't click the link) by some Pontiac magazine where the best they got was like a 14.2 and the Mach 1 got like a 14.3, and I was wondering WTF they were doing. In any case, I read the article and the 13.52 completely stock is impressive.

BTW, Mach 1 has a solid rear axle, GTO is independant. Ask anyone and IRS makes it more difficult to launch than a solid axle. IRS makes for better handling and a better ride tho.

Mike3800 · 04-14-2004, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTECSiGAH8R

Except the 13.62@104 motor trend pulled right?

Isn't that slower than what these people got out of it? Not arguing... just too lazy to look again.

VTECSiGAH8R · 04-14-2004, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike3800

Isn't that slower than what these people got out of it? Not arguing... just too lazy to look again.

Yeah you caught me b4 I edited.

The Great One. · 04-15-2004, 02:45 AM

SLP pulled a 13.1 bone stock (yes tires also) out of their GTO (verified).

and a few local GTO members 13.3 and a couple of 13.4's and 13.5's

the GTO is for real , could it be better ? sure !!! , but its a huge step in the right direction.

Mike3800 · 04-15-2004, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great One.

the GTO is for real , could it be better ? sure !!! , but its a huge step in the right direction.
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I almost agree with that if it were not for the fact that GM made F-bdies with this engine with supposedly less HP and they were much faster, they could have easily re-done the Camaro and Trans Am and start from the ground up instead if importing someone's car and sticking a high price tag and a GTO badge on it.

And since WHEN has Ford ever touched one of GM's RWD V8 sports car with a Mustang...?? They took 1000 steps back and 1 step forward. They have a long way to go to get to where they were performance-wise. Everyone upped the bar and GM decided not to SURPASS the new performance standards (like they normally do), for pete's sake a frickin NEON can hang with this car!!!

95-GT · 04-15-2004, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike3800

And since WHEN has Ford ever touched one of GM's RWD V8 sports car with a Mustang...??

2003 Cobra, Mach I.

Mike3800 · 04-15-2004, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95-GT

2003 Cobra, Mach I.

Precisely.

That's exactly what I mean. They should have reacted with a faster same class car.

The Great One. · 04-15-2004, 06:54 PM

the cobra may be faster, but the GTO is in a class above them in build quality and refinement, f-body was even worse, it was an outstanding engine wraped in a rattling , creaking, cheap sh*t body and interior.

and those mustangs are in their 2nd year of production in their current form, hence the rebates and dealers trying to get rid of them, last year how much did the '03 cobra start at ? high $30k's , and the mach was right about $30k.

so its not the same to compare what mach1's are going for compared to the goat which is new on the market.

95-GT · 04-15-2004, 07:42 PM

high $30's? WTF kind of crack are you smoking? Highest I have EVER seen was $32,500 when they first came out for the coupe. Maybe your looking at the 'verts. But your saying that the cobra doesnt offer build quality? I guess hand built motor isnt good enough

The Great One. · 04-15-2004, 08:15 PM

yes the verts, even the coupes the first few months they came out, i saw high 30s dealer adjusted...

funny how you should only look at the motor as a quality comparison, i thought you where buying a comlete car, not just a motor...

kudos to ford for hand building a forged DOHC supercharged v8 , because that's what its gonna take to beat a mass produced natrually aspirated pushrod LS1.

95-GT · 04-15-2004, 09:16 PM

funny how you bring up thats its n/a. who cares. ford slapped a s/c on a 4.6L mod motor and its beating it by quite a bit. with a few bolt ons, your running over 500 RWHP. why? because its factory supercharged, not tuned to its potential, and very restrictive due to emissions.

The Great One. · 04-15-2004, 10:24 PM

When the blown SVT Cobra debuted I thought about buying one, and loved the car when I test drove it.

But, in the end I'm glad the insurance costs killed my lust for the car ($1600 every 6 months).

Though it accelerated well, the interior was pure garbage, as was the structure. It's the kind of car that when you drive it hard, it also drives you hard, and fights back. It's not terribly comfortable or practical either.

It's a cool car, but not what I needed in a car.

The GTO is fast, can boogie just about as well without beating the Hell out of you, and it coddles when needed. I don't have make any excuses about the interior or build quality. It's also a handsome car and doesn't have any boy racer touches which I like. I can also easily take it on a cross country trip, which is something I do a few times a year. The insurance is also half as much.

That's pretty much my personal thoughts, I've always liked Mustangs, but the SVT Cobra didn't embody the qualities I was looking for in a new car (neither did the Firebird).

Mike3800 · 04-16-2004, 07:45 AM

Some people are talking about build quality etc... wait til the GTO has a few miles on it and then see what happens. To me it sounds absurd to pick a GTO overr a Cobra for "build quality" and "refinement". A Honda Civic EX has better build quality and refinment than the GTO and any Mustang, if one were looking for a high class reliable refined compfortable non-boy racer sports coupe, one would have to look at what Europe and Japan has to offer instead of a heavy watered down Camaro trying to be a Caddy from Australia with a GTO badge on it. No offense to anyone with a GTO, it's just a car and I don't hold back my opinons on things like that, at least not on the internet.

Black03SC/T · 04-16-2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95-GT

2003 Cobra, Mach I.

That Cobra is also supercharged, so technically its not stock for stock, you put a s/c on a GTO and it will eat that cobra up.

04-13-2004, 09:19 AM	#1
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04-14-2004, 11:05 AM	#2
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	Pathetic that a car with the name "GTO" with 5.7liter V8 with 350HP and a 6-speed manual can't shake a 5-speed naturally aspirated Mustang with a little 4.6 engine. What has the world come to? GTO is only 300lbs heavier. That's not much really considering both cars weigh over 3400lbs. Good thing they didn't compare GTO vs. Cobra. __________________ -Mike

04-14-2004, 11:13 AM	#3
mr_eh Hi. AKA: xxx Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Staten Island, NY Age: 39 Posts: 4,405 Vehicle: 05 Srt-4 / 00GrandAmSE	sad 60 foot times __________________ 4cyl ga se -> 431whp srt4 -> 600whp s14? wtf.

04-14-2004, 11:23 AM	#5
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	Those are the fastest times I have seen for the GTO with all the original equipment still attached (spare tire still in, stock tires etc...), most other mags only got a 14.0 out of it. That's just plain awful. __________________ -Mike

04-15-2004, 06:54 PM	#14
The Great One. GAGT - Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: AU Age: 49 Posts: 27 Vehicle: VTII 5.7	the cobra may be faster, but the GTO is in a class above them in build quality and refinement, f-body was even worse, it was an outstanding engine wraped in a rattling , creaking, cheap sht body and interior. and those mustangs are in their 2nd year of production in their current form, hence the rebates and dealers trying to get rid of them, last year how much did the '03 cobra start at ? high $30k's , and the mach was right about $30k. so its not the same to compare what mach1's are going for compared to the goat which is new on the market. Last edited by The Great One.; 04-16-2004 at 05:15 AM.*

04-14-2004, 11:17 AM	#4
VTECSiGAH8R GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Miami, FL Age: 36 Posts: 1,346 Vehicle: 97 Honda Civic DX	Not very good drivers at all.

04-14-2004, 11:43 AM	#6
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	I've seen most Mach I's run between a 13.3 and a 13.1.

04-15-2004, 02:45 AM	#10
The Great One. GAGT - Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: AU Age: 49 Posts: 27 Vehicle: VTII 5.7	SLP pulled a 13.1 bone stock (yes tires also) out of their GTO (verified). and a few local GTO members 13.3 and a couple of 13.4's and 13.5's the GTO is for real , could it be better ? sure !!! , but its a huge step in the right direction.

04-15-2004, 07:42 PM	#15
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	high $30's? WTF kind of crack are you smoking? Highest I have EVER seen was $32,500 when they first came out for the coupe. Maybe your looking at the 'verts. But your saying that the cobra doesnt offer build quality? I guess hand built motor isnt good enough

04-15-2004, 08:15 PM	#16
The Great One. GAGT - Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: AU Age: 49 Posts: 27 Vehicle: VTII 5.7	yes the verts, even the coupes the first few months they came out, i saw high 30s dealer adjusted... funny how you should only look at the motor as a quality comparison, i thought you where buying a comlete car, not just a motor... kudos to ford for hand building a forged DOHC supercharged v8 , because that's what its gonna take to beat a mass produced natrually aspirated pushrod LS1.

04-15-2004, 09:16 PM	#17
95-GT Slow 5.0 AKA: David Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Heights, MI Age: 36 Posts: 2,365 Vehicle: 89 5.0 Mustang LX	funny how you bring up thats its n/a. who cares. ford slapped a s/c on a 4.6L mod motor and its beating it by quite a bit. with a few bolt ons, your running over 500 RWHP. why? because its factory supercharged, not tuned to its potential, and very restrictive due to emissions.

04-15-2004, 10:24 PM	#18
The Great One. GAGT - Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: AU Age: 49 Posts: 27 Vehicle: VTII 5.7	When the blown SVT Cobra debuted I thought about buying one, and loved the car when I test drove it. But, in the end I'm glad the insurance costs killed my lust for the car ($1600 every 6 months). Though it accelerated well, the interior was pure garbage, as was the structure. It's the kind of car that when you drive it hard, it also drives you hard, and fights back. It's not terribly comfortable or practical either. It's a cool car, but not what I needed in a car. The GTO is fast, can boogie just about as well without beating the Hell out of you, and it coddles when needed. I don't have make any excuses about the interior or build quality. It's also a handsome car and doesn't have any boy racer touches which I like. I can also easily take it on a cross country trip, which is something I do a few times a year. The insurance is also half as much. That's pretty much my personal thoughts, I've always liked Mustangs, but the SVT Cobra didn't embody the qualities I was looking for in a new car (neither did the Firebird). Last edited by The Great One.; 04-15-2004 at 10:33 PM.

04-16-2004, 07:45 AM	#19
Mike3800 GAGT - Junkie AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northglenn, CO USA Age: 49 Posts: 3,394 Vehicle: 2015 Chrysler 200S AWD	Some people are talking about build quality etc... wait til the GTO has a few miles on it and then see what happens. To me it sounds absurd to pick a GTO overr a Cobra for "build quality" and "refinement". A Honda Civic EX has better build quality and refinment than the GTO and any Mustang, if one were looking for a high class reliable refined compfortable non-boy racer sports coupe, one would have to look at what Europe and Japan has to offer instead of a heavy watered down Camaro trying to be a Caddy from Australia with a GTO badge on it. No offense to anyone with a GTO, it's just a car and I don't hold back my opinons on things like that, at least not on the internet.

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