VTEC Mini

[Silver02EX]

I never thought I would see this...

www.gomini.com/fs/vtec/vtec.htm

[SC/TGrandAm]

why the hell would you take a good German engine out (BMW's parent company) and put a Hondah engine in there>

D'OH>

[Roush GT]

blah I wouldnt have either just IMO

[mightypan42]

Hell has frozen over... I'm going to go cringe in a corner now.

btw, not to be picky, but BMW makes the new Mini. The old Minis are purely British.

[K2737]

Let see keep the stock 90 or so HP engine or put the honda 175 hp motor in it....hmm those things must fly!

[Silver02EX]

The motor is cheap, it's small, reliable, and has lots of after market...

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally Posted by SC/TGrandAm

why the hell would you take a good German engine out (BMW's parent company) and put a Hondah engine in there>

D'OH>

Yeah I know right!?! Why would anyone put in an engine that puts out more power than the supercharged mini engine n/a and has a much longer strong reliability record and has a huuuuuuuge aftermarket, especially compared to the German engine??

There are very streetable 400+ whp Hondas running around out there on pump gas (with internal mods of course). Show me a single stock-motored mini putting out that much power.

[SC/TGrandAm]

I cant show you because i dont care enough to look it up.

But ill take a German built engine anyday over a Jap, american, or whatever engine.

So on the subject about German engines, so your saying that a Honda engine is more reliable than a BMW (German Engine) what crock.... Plus i know BMW's have some nice aftermarket out for them so...

But comparing BMW to hondah is like compareing a grand am to a Mercedes, i dont know why i went there...

[Silver02EX]

Originally Posted by SC/TGrandAm

I cant show you because i dont care enough to look it up.

But ill take a German built engine anyday over a Jap, american, or whatever engine.

So on the subject about German engines, so your saying that a Honda engine is more reliable than a BMW (German Engine) what crock.... Plus i know BMW's have some nice aftermarket out for them so...

But comparing BMW to hondah is like compareing a grand am to a Mercedes, i dont know why i went there...

If they thought German engines are so good wouldn't they have one in there and not a Honda engine? There has to be a reason why they did that.

[teambeechstreet]

Originally Posted by SC/TGrandAm

But ill take a German built engine anyday over a Jap, american, or whatever engine.

I dont know about u, but I see a lot more Hondas running over 200K on the odometer with minimal problems, but rarely see older mercedes/bmws running over 100K on the odo that dont have major problems. but thats just what I've seen...

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally Posted by SC/TGrandAm

I cant show you because i dont care enough to look it up.

But ill take a German built engine anyday over a Jap, american, or whatever engine.

So on the subject about German engines, so your saying that a Honda engine is more reliable than a BMW (German Engine) what crock.... Plus i know BMW's have some nice aftermarket out for them so...

But comparing BMW to hondah is like compareing a grand am to a Mercedes, i dont know why i went there...

HAHA!!! This is so funny to me. You honestly think that Germans as a race build better L4s no matter what vs. Japanese and Americans? This is absolute INSANITY. It's racist in fact.

How can you possibly say that every single German engine built is better than any single other L4?

I know you're probably thinking of that supposid 1970s 2.4 L4 that BMW supposidly got 1400 hp out of n/a or some BS like that right? That's funny because people keep talking about that "experimental" engine every once in a while on these forums and yet noone can show one ounce of proof that it ever existed. It's just some stupid urban legend or something to make BMW seem like engine gods. Show me prrof (if that's what you were thinking of) and I'll believe in it, and I'll still say the Honda motor was a better swap into the Mini. Why? Because the mini engine is a tiny powerless wonder, (except the supercharged version) that makes Honda's DOHC VTEC torque seem like a dream, let alone their hp, and that experiemental BMW engine is in no way representative of Germand engines as a whole, let alone the Mini engine.

I'm not saying Honda motors are the best to swap in, but they are better than the Mini engine and to argue otherwise is silly because the aftermarket for the Mini engine is nowhere near as big as Honda's and Honda engines have proven reliability and durability (especially the B-series). Personally, I would have looked into a 4g63 swap. Those are badass motors.

Yes, Germans have built some impressive L4s, but that doesn't mean every one they build will be like that and that there are no other engines that are better.

[Slim]

A friend and I were talking about Minis (older versions) the other night. He was telling me about people in the UK swapping Vauxhaul engines into them with little or no modifications. Apparently, the Vauxhaul engines are putting out 200hp out of the box. A so equipped Mini was running high 13s in the 1/4. He was telling me this whole conversion can be done for around £6,000. Not too shabby if you ask me.

[Silver02EX]

Originally Posted by teambeechstreet

I dont know about u, but I see a lot more Hondas running over 200K on the odometer with minimal problems.

That's like a break in period for a honda motor...

[SC/TGrandAm]

[quote=VTECSiGAH8R]HAHA!!! This is so funny to me. You honestly think that Germans as a race build better L4s no matter what vs. Japanese and Americans? This is absolute INSANITY. It's racist in fact.

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Im racist? Damn right im racist, i have driven a BMW many times and sorry to say buddy but that engine walks all over a honda.

We'll get BMW's performance car a M3 and pair it up with Hondas "performance" car the Type R VTEC and see how well they pair up.

And who are you to speak racist mr honda pride with your honda avitar and your screen name such as VTEC SI GA HATER? If you hate GA's why have you been here for years?

German engineering wins this one, hands down so laugh all you want. Honda engines might last longer but that doesnt always make it a better engine.

[Silver02EX]

^^^ Actually the performance car of the Honda is the NSX don't forget about that one

As far as who has a better engine? who cares... Theose guys seems to think that a Honda engine is better otherwise they would have a German engine in there.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

[quote=SC/TGrandAm]

Originally Posted by VTECSiGAH8R

HAHA!!! This is so funny to me. You honestly think that Germans as a race build better L4s no matter what vs. Japanese and Americans? This is absolute INSANITY. It's racist in fact.

QUOTE]

Im racist? Damn right im racist, i have driven a BMW many times and sorry to say buddy but that engine walks all over a honda.

We'll get BMW's performance car a M3 and pair it up with Hondas "performance" car the Type R VTEC and see how well they pair up.

And who are you to speak racist mr honda pride with your honda avitar and your screen name such as VTEC SI GA HATER? If you hate GA's why have you been here for years?

German engineering wins this one, hands down so laugh all you want. Honda engines might last longer but that doesnt always make it a better engine.

You're an idiot. This 1.6L is not the e30 M3 engine by any measure. I don't worship Honda engines, but I know when they are better than something else and in this case they are. I even suggested that they should have used a 4g63, A MITSU ENGINE!!

I'm not a "GA Hater" by any means, anyone that has read any of my other posts knows this and many have asked me the question of why my name is what it is and I have always told them it was just making fun of "honda boys" that always hate on everything but Honda...so my username implies that I'm the opposite of what you are trying to portray me as.

In any case, a DOHC VTEC B series engine is better than the stock Mini engine. More possible mods, more reliability, greater potential for power.

Your buddy's M3 engine is not the stock engine in a Mini. The Mini S has a supercharger, but is also 1.6L and nothing the same as the old Bimmer M3 engine, not to mention it is FWD.

That is a pretty common Mini conversion because it's a small engine, good output, and easily worked on here in the US. Also, it's a new engine. I would take that conversion in a heartbeat, but on the other hand, I'd take a Classic Mini any day as well.

The MINI Cooper S (2003) has a 1.6 L Daimler-Chrysler engine in it with an Eaton M-62 (I think) supercharger, putting out 163 HP. The new MINI engine (2005) will have a next generation supercharger in it putting out 170 HP.

I love my MINI, but at the same time, I'd love to have an older Mini to work on and play around with.

[Nikki]

Don't hate on Honda till you've tried it You will be surprised!!

Originally Posted by Nikki

Don't hate on Honda till you've tried it You will be surprised!!

When I got my MINI, one of the other cars I was looking at was the 6M Accord Coupe. Very nice car.

[PACE]

I can't believe you guys knock a SMALL car with a BIG engine......wtf??

small car + Big engine = fast !!!