Quick question..

rizer · 10-17-2004, 09:46 AM

Randomly certain days the ABS light pops on and the TRAC OFF pops on at the same time. Happens while driving, however if i shut the car off and start it again, it stays off and usually wont happen again for a few days.

From doing a search, is the Inlet Air Temp. Sensor going bad? Or is it something else?

atc3434 · 10-17-2004, 12:36 PM

Wheel speed sensor taking a dump. Most likely will get worse, until the lights are on just about all the time. Requires a hub assembly replacement to fix, as the wheel speed sensor is intregal with the hub assembly and cannot be replaced seperatly. Just did one of mine 2 months ago. My prob with the trac off and abs lights being on is the steering gets ultra light, due to the power steering pump going to full on all the time, instead of just parking lot speeds. The ABS and traction control I can do without, but the steering drives me crazy.

rizer · 10-17-2004, 02:11 PM

How much was this to fix? Im taking the car 3500 miles to school in 2 months so i should get it repaired.
Damn its hard saving money

Appreciate the reply

atc3434 · 10-17-2004, 02:18 PM

Part was 180 plus like 1.5 hours labor.

atc3434 · 10-17-2004, 02:19 PM

Its not a critical repair though, you can survive just fine without the wheelspeed sensor, you just will have the power steering full on, no traction control, and no abs. I delt with it for about 2 months before I had it fixed.

manic mechanic · 10-17-2004, 02:27 PM

Trying using some compressed air in the area of the tone rings and the speed pick up sensors. The sensors are magnetic pick ups and flakes of rust and scale tend to get between the sensors and the tone rings causing the ABS and TRAC OFF lights to illuminate.

Try this before spending a ton of money on a wheel sensor.

rizer · 10-17-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by manic mechanic

Trying using some compressed air in the area of the tone rings and the speed pick up sensors. .

May i ask where this area is? Never dealt with this before

10-17-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

Its not a critical repair though, you can survive just fine without the wheelspeed sensor, you just will have the power steering full on, no traction control, and no abs. I delt with it for about 2 months before I had it fixed.

ATC3434 --- was it you telling me that you had 2 faulty assemblies before the 3rd on finally worked???....

GTLUVA · 10-17-2004, 07:13 PM

Do you go to automatic car washes? My service engine soon trac off button kept on coming on for a while and it was the damn car wash tripping off my computer because my wheel speed sensor was getting water on it. Then the stupid dealer charged me $108 not covered under my factory warranty and tried blaming the problem on my amp and subwoofer connection. Stopped going to automatic car washes about 3 months already and no more lights popping up

atc3434 · 10-17-2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_99GAGT

ATC3434 --- was it you telling me that you had 2 faulty assemblies before the 3rd on finally worked???....

I had one go bad, and the one they replaced it with was bad, so the third one was ok.

rizer · 10-17-2004, 08:53 PM

Um, its been raining the past 3 days so could be.
Its done it alot these past few days, usually only does it bout once or so every other week.

tubbsGT1 · 10-17-2004, 09:00 PM

ive had the same problem for a while myself. usually once i cut the car off and crank it back up...the lights are gone, but for some reason, this weekend they have came on repeatedly and even stayed on. and guess what......its been raining all weekend. how weird. can anyeon confirm that the hub assembly is the problem? and also, would someone post up the part number for the hub assembly

rizer · 10-17-2004, 09:07 PM

Yeah, whenever id shut the car off and start it back up, the lights stayed off. Yet this weekend theyd pop back on minutes later.

I might try that compressed air deal if i can figure where to use it, heh

action · 10-18-2004, 08:08 AM

Wheel speed sensor and the wheel bearing is all the same thing in the front. Have you been getting any rumbling noise from the front end, worse when you turn one way more so than the other???

Likely the wheel bearing, or the sensor or both are shot and need to be replaced.

manic mechanic · 10-18-2004, 09:36 AM

The tone rings and ABS sensors will be behind the front brake rotors (and rear rotors) or behind the rear drums.

Pull a front rotor off and you'll see what I mean.

Good luck.

jmonte345 · 10-18-2004, 09:46 AM

My car is doing the same thing. Is it possible for the dealer to diagnose the problem even if the lights aren't on when I take the car in?

atc3434 · 10-18-2004, 09:56 AM

The codes that were being set should still be stored in the PCM memory, so they should be able to figure out which hub is giving you trouble.

GTLUVA · 10-18-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jmonte345

My car is doing the same thing. Is it possible for the dealer to diagnose the problem even if the lights aren't on when I take the car in?

Welcome to the club

Just make sure you don't have any aftermarket wires hooked up when you take it the dealer they will try to blame anything on the light besides your wheel sensor

jmonte345 · 10-18-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GTLUVA

Welcome to the club

Just make sure you don't have any aftermarket wires hooked up when you take it the dealer they will try to blame anything on the light besides your wheel sensor

I have an aftermarket alarm/remote start so I guess that is what they are going to blame the lights on.

rizer · 10-18-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by action

Have you been getting any rumbling noise from the front end, worse when you turn one way more so than the other???

Likely the wheel bearing, or the sensor or both are shot and need to be replaced.

No rubling noise or anything. Rides smooth when turning.

Will the dealer charge you to read the car and see what exactly it is?

10-17-2004, 09:46 AM	#1
rizer Stock Sucks AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 662 Vehicle: 99 GT/08 Jetta GLI	Quick question.. Randomly certain days the ABS light pops on and the TRAC OFF pops on at the same time. Happens while driving, however if i shut the car off and start it again, it stays off and usually wont happen again for a few days. From doing a search, is the Inlet Air Temp. Sensor going bad? Or is it something else? __________________ Pictures of Car

10-17-2004, 12:36 PM	#2
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Wheel speed sensor taking a dump. Most likely will get worse, until the lights are on just about all the time. Requires a hub assembly replacement to fix, as the wheel speed sensor is intregal with the hub assembly and cannot be replaced seperatly. Just did one of mine 2 months ago. My prob with the trac off and abs lights being on is the steering gets ultra light, due to the power steering pump going to full on all the time, instead of just parking lot speeds. The ABS and traction control I can do without, but the steering drives me crazy. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

10-17-2004, 02:11 PM	#3
rizer Stock Sucks AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 662 Vehicle: 99 GT/08 Jetta GLI	How much was this to fix? Im taking the car 3500 miles to school in 2 months so i should get it repaired. Damn its hard saving money Appreciate the reply __________________ Pictures of Car

10-17-2004, 02:18 PM	#4
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Part was 180 plus like 1.5 hours labor. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

10-17-2004, 02:19 PM	#5
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Its not a critical repair though, you can survive just fine without the wheelspeed sensor, you just will have the power steering full on, no traction control, and no abs. I delt with it for about 2 months before I had it fixed. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

10-17-2004, 02:27 PM	#6
manic mechanic GAGT - Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 45 Vehicle: 2001 SE2	Trying using some compressed air in the area of the tone rings and the speed pick up sensors. The sensors are magnetic pick ups and flakes of rust and scale tend to get between the sensors and the tone rings causing the ABS and TRAC OFF lights to illuminate. Try this before spending a ton of money on a wheel sensor.

10-17-2004, 07:13 PM	#9
GTLUVA GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Stacy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Stevens Point, WI Age: 39 Posts: 1,128 Vehicle: 08 GXP 08 G5	Lights Coming On Do you go to automatic car washes? My service engine soon trac off button kept on coming on for a while and it was the damn car wash tripping off my computer because my wheel speed sensor was getting water on it. Then the stupid dealer charged me $108 not covered under my factory warranty and tried blaming the problem on my amp and subwoofer connection. Stopped going to automatic car washes about 3 months already and no more lights popping up

10-17-2004, 08:53 PM	#11
rizer Stock Sucks AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 662 Vehicle: 99 GT/08 Jetta GLI	Um, its been raining the past 3 days so could be. Its done it alot these past few days, usually only does it bout once or so every other week. __________________ Pictures of Car

10-17-2004, 09:00 PM	#12
tubbsGT1 new frontier crewcab AKA: Josh Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tupelo , MS Age: 36 Posts: 128 Vehicle: gone : 99 Grand AM GT1	ive had the same problem for a while myself. usually once i cut the car off and crank it back up...the lights are gone, but for some reason, this weekend they have came on repeatedly and even stayed on. and guess what......its been raining all weekend. how weird. can anyeon confirm that the hub assembly is the problem? and also, would someone post up the part number for the hub assembly __________________ Josh's CARDOMAIN PAGE....check it out

10-17-2004, 09:07 PM	#13
rizer Stock Sucks AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 37 Posts: 662 Vehicle: 99 GT/08 Jetta GLI	Yeah, whenever id shut the car off and start it back up, the lights stayed off. Yet this weekend theyd pop back on minutes later. I might try that compressed air deal if i can figure where to use it, heh __________________ Pictures of Car

10-18-2004, 08:08 AM	#14
action GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland Age: 43 Posts: 656 Vehicle: 2000 GA SE V6	Wheel speed sensor and the wheel bearing is all the same thing in the front. Have you been getting any rumbling noise from the front end, worse when you turn one way more so than the other??? Likely the wheel bearing, or the sensor or both are shot and need to be replaced.

10-18-2004, 09:36 AM	#15
manic mechanic GAGT - Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 45 Vehicle: 2001 SE2	The tone rings and ABS sensors will be behind the front brake rotors (and rear rotors) or behind the rear drums. Pull a front rotor off and you'll see what I mean. Good luck.

10-18-2004, 09:46 AM	#16
jmonte345 GAGT - Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shelby Twp. MI Posts: 63 Vehicle: 2004 Ion Red Line	My car is doing the same thing. Is it possible for the dealer to diagnose the problem even if the lights aren't on when I take the car in? __________________ Mmmmmm boost.

10-18-2004, 09:56 AM	#17
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	The codes that were being set should still be stored in the PCM memory, so they should be able to figure out which hub is giving you trouble. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

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