My RSM SC experience>>

Irate · 12-01-2002, 04:22 PM

Well, after the long haul into Canada, I dropped my car off to the guys at RSM for the install of my supercharger, and also had them change out the motor mount for good measure. Install took about three days due to the oil needs of the centrifugal charger and the fact that I had California/NY emissions on my car (d'oh).

So after many sleepless nights (two), I finally got to pick my car up from the friendly people who worked on it. When they handed me my keys, I practically ran to the car and opened the hood... man that thing is beautiful. They even threw in a K&N breather.

So on first startup... I noticed right away the whine from the blower... man that sounds sick! When you get on it and let off, the blow off valve is true music. Once out on the road, the car pulls SOOO much harder... traction is definately an issue now. On the highway, the car accelerates like crazy... its a huge difference.

As for the computer, the transmission line pressure is increased, there's no MAF sensor on my car anymore, the fuel table "potential" has been expanded for the OBDII to learn the flows of the SC... other than that, its left stock. RSM promised to recall my computer once they are done figuring out a perfect one with the help of some SC companies like Vortech.

So that's that... here are some pictures:

Irate · 12-01-2002, 04:25 PM

God-willing, I'm going to be heading to the track within the next couple of weeks depending on the weather... and I'll definately get a dyno run done this winter over christmas break...

The pictures aren't the best, I had my dad send them from his camera... we're going to have to have a "compression discussion"...

jaketuff · 12-01-2002, 05:00 PM

Awesome Rob!!! Glad to hear that it all got done, especially playing with the NY/CA emission junk. I bet she is pulling very hard, what boost do you run her at - 7-9lbs peak right? Did you end up putting the cat back on?

BOV is schweet too....

(You need to do a song/vid of that and the car now!)

Pat

Irate · 12-01-2002, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaketuff
I bet she is pulling very hard, what boost do you run her at - 7-9lbs peak right? Did you end up putting the cat back on?

Well, I'll be installing a boost guage soon, so I'll know then... as for the cat, its going back on along with a QTEC...

iceman · 12-01-2002, 08:15 PM

OMFG... just took a ride in Rob's car... all i gotta say is I've never been in a GA that can lay wheels at 20mph before.. my car feels really slow now

vids coming asap!!!

Rba007 · 12-01-2002, 08:45 PM

Awesome man! If it werent for people like you, the rest of us could think we have awesome cars...

UNCTYPE-S · 12-01-2002, 08:52 PM

if ya dont mind me asking, can you give me a rough figure on how much it took for all this. the parts, sc, as well as the install. everything. thanks.

Irate · 12-01-2002, 09:30 PM

well, the SC and all necessary parts you can get from RSM , the kit comes complete with everything you need except a super-thin $60 battery. I had the tranny mount changed, that was about $180... and install... about 20 hours +/- 7.5 (I forget exactly how long it took them), you figure $35/hour rate, thats about $700.

Obviously the install figures are highly theoretical, I suggest e-mailing your local speed shop and ask them how much they would charge for a complete install.

Sorry_Officer · 12-01-2002, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceman
OMFG... just took a ride in Rob's car... all i gotta say is I've never been in a GA that can lay wheels at 20mph before.. my car feels really slow now

vids coming asap!!!

Sweet to hear about the SC. I was thinking about gettting it BUT I already maxed out the stock fuel system. Just be gentle on your tranny.

As for laying rubber at 20mph, I can do that

It's fun especially when you are next to a import and your car starts going sideways at 20mph from wheelspin.

I have found a new hobby that you should look into too, it's called saving up for tires.

I run Bridgestone PP SO3's, $155 a tire,

GregFarz78 · 12-01-2002, 10:28 PM

I cant wait to take a ride...it was loud over the phone when you guys called me I could hear the whine

Lemme know when you're going to the track I'll try and make it.

BMOBYLE · 12-01-2002, 10:38 PM

Yeah god job irate!!!

I wanna take a ride w/ you someday.
Now I guess Headers won't fit now or what???
Or did they say not to do that anyway for boost purposes?

GregFarz78 · 12-02-2002, 05:49 AM

Its a centrifugal supercharger not sure you could do headers. Does that work the same as a turbo they had to fab a custom manifold for the s/c?

jaketuff · 12-02-2002, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GregFarz78
Its a centrifugal supercharger not sure you could do headers. Does that work the same as a turbo they had to fab a custom manifold for the s/c?

No, it is just a regular non-intercooled shaft driven SC. The manifolds are the same intake/exhuast making the kit a "bolt-on." Good power out of the Vortechs though, better than the Eaton-roots, but less durable is what I have heard. How many miles does on really expect though? Laying rubber and WOT moves make one not to expect 150k miles out of these suckers.

150k would be good though!!!

JOUT

mfuller · 12-02-2002, 08:33 AM

Very nice, Rob. Are we placing bets yet on when your transmission will start screaming for mercy?

Irate · 12-02-2002, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mfuller
Very nice, Rob. Are we placing bets yet on when your transmission will start screaming for mercy?

AAh, shhhh. There will be no talk of that mister. The line pressure increase should help the life, and I only put about 8,000 miles on my car/year (most of it 300+ mile drives on the highway)... I guess I should probably cut down on the tom-foolery a bit, eh?

Sorry_Officer · 12-02-2002, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IrateGT

AAh, shhhh. There will be no talk of that mister. The line pressure increase should help the life, and I only put about 8,000 miles on my car/year (most of it 300+ mile drives on the highway)... I guess I should probably cut down on the tom-foolery a bit, eh?

Line pressure increase is good yet bad. Yeah when you up line pressure it promotes less slippage of gear engagement "where most tranny damage is done" BUT the harder the tranny engages the more wear and tear on physical parts of the tranny not just the gear teeth and engagement parts. So on one hand you have less damage to gear teeth and clutch parts, but on the other hand you have more stress on the assembly as a whole. Either way you are playing with fire, then again who doesn't like to play with fire??

DavidScott77 · 12-02-2002, 01:19 PM

Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I could pay off. Have another 5K you need to loosen from your wallet? WOW! No offense Irate. Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA, but is spending that much cash REALLY worth what little performance you're gonna get out of it? Now if it added enough power to hit 300+HP fine. But like you said, its completely stock. Other than that, it does look cool, but not for the price.

jaketuff · 12-02-2002, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidScott77
Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I cou....Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA...

Well you answered your own question. One of the few. Congrats Rob. Boost ain't cheap. $5,000 is not a lot of money when it comes to adding boost. To take the GA from a 15.7 to a likely 14.2 with the RSM is not bad at all. You have to drive it to appreciate it!!! The GA feels fast with boost, w/o it the car barely feels sporty at all. Barely, with minor mods(intake/exhuast), get heads and then we're talking... okay, start flaming me...... NOW!

JOUT

Irate · 12-02-2002, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaketuff
Boost ain't cheap. $5,000 is not a lot of money when it comes to adding boost. To take the GA from a 15.7 to a likely 14.2 with the RSM is not bad at all. You have to drive it to appreciate it!!!

Thank you pat... and frankly davidscott, take a ride in my car and you'll think different.

Boost is not cheap, take a look at most quality kits and you'll see the RSM kit is actually average to less-than-average in cost... its not $5,000 btw. Yeah the SC kit I have may only add 50-60 hp, but that doesn't mean that it is the full potential of the kit. I could put a smaller pulley on there and create almost 14lbs of boost if I wanted to, cranking out over 100 hp, but what the hell good would that be? I'd ruin my tranny and engine. This kit will run safely and consistently on my car for many tens of thousands of miles...

It was NOT a waste thank you.

Tonyyank · 12-02-2002, 03:27 PM

Nice to hear Rob!!! Cant wait to see it in person!!! need to get that boost gauge in there now

I want a ride!! Heard it though Seth celly...WOW

need to get rid of that speed limiter and get a vid of that!!

12-01-2002, 04:22 PM	#1
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	My RSM SC experience>> Well, after the long haul into Canada, I dropped my car off to the guys at RSM for the install of my supercharger, and also had them change out the motor mount for good measure. Install took about three days due to the oil needs of the centrifugal charger and the fact that I had California/NY emissions on my car (d'oh). So after many sleepless nights (two), I finally got to pick my car up from the friendly people who worked on it. When they handed me my keys, I practically ran to the car and opened the hood... man that thing is beautiful. They even threw in a K&N breather. So on first startup... I noticed right away the whine from the blower... man that sounds sick! When you get on it and let off, the blow off valve is true music. Once out on the road, the car pulls SOOO much harder... traction is definately an issue now. On the highway, the car accelerates like crazy... its a huge difference. As for the computer, the transmission line pressure is increased, there's no MAF sensor on my car anymore, the fuel table "potential" has been expanded for the OBDII to learn the flows of the SC... other than that, its left stock. RSM promised to recall my computer once they are done figuring out a perfect one with the help of some SC companies like Vortech. So that's that... here are some pictures: Attached Thumbnails __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

12-01-2002, 04:25 PM	#2
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	God-willing, I'm going to be heading to the track within the next couple of weeks depending on the weather... and I'll definately get a dyno run done this winter over christmas break... The pictures aren't the best, I had my dad send them from his camera... we're going to have to have a "compression discussion"... Attached Thumbnails __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

12-01-2002, 05:00 PM	#3
jaketuff GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westchester, NY Age: 43 Posts: 2,093 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	Awesome Rob!!! Glad to hear that it all got done, especially playing with the NY/CA emission junk. I bet she is pulling very hard, what boost do you run her at - 7-9lbs peak right? Did you end up putting the cat back on? BOV is schweet too.... (You need to do a song/vid of that and the car now!) Pat __________________ 2000 Pontiac Grand Am GT Coupe Magnacharger SC February 2003 N-body of the Month 14.34 @ 93.38MPH Eaton SC, No ported heads, No Juice! -RETIRED March 2010 w/165k- 2013 Mercedes ML350 !ACHTUNG! Es ist Shtock 2005 Infiniti G35 Coupe : CAI, Manifold Spacer 2004 Pontiac GTO : Mild Mods, and Tuned ... 13.1 @ 107.5 PB 1992 Mustang LX : TT, 351, IC, Alky, Gears - 400HP/500lbs-ft ... MONSTER 1991 Mustang GT : GT40 H/I, Bullitt Wheels, New Paint

12-01-2002, 08:15 PM	#5
iceman woop woop AKA: Seth Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 10,528 Vehicle: 97 Blazer - 84 Fiero	OMFG... just took a ride in Rob's car... all i gotta say is I've never been in a GA that can lay wheels at 20mph before.. my car feels really slow now vids coming asap!!! __________________ --Seth Support GrandAmGT.com sponsors! My Picture Gallery \| GoneDragRacing.com Drag Racing Photos & Videos

12-01-2002, 08:45 PM	#6
Rba007 GAGT Oldie AKA: Dave Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N. Muskegon MI Age: 38 Posts: 2,444 Vehicle: 04 Grand Prix GT	Awesome man! If it werent for people like you, the rest of us could think we have awesome cars... __________________ Dave's Sexy Ride "Sul3LiME883: i'm drunk tho. i'd throw myself at a penis right now, i bet." "When you step over the line, your nuts are mine" "ArcticSun GT: u do smell dave, smell like awesomeness"

12-01-2002, 08:52 PM	#7
UNCTYPE-S GAGT - Junkie AKA: Jim Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 5,517 Vehicle: 09 G37x Coupe	if ya dont mind me asking, can you give me a rough figure on how much it took for all this. the parts, sc, as well as the install. everything. thanks.

12-01-2002, 09:30 PM	#8
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	well, the SC and all necessary parts you can get from RSM , the kit comes complete with everything you need except a super-thin $60 battery. I had the tranny mount changed, that was about $180... and install... about 20 hours +/- 7.5 (I forget exactly how long it took them), you figure $35/hour rate, thats about $700. Obviously the install figures are highly theoretical, I suggest e-mailing your local speed shop and ask them how much they would charge for a complete install. __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

12-01-2002, 10:28 PM	#10
GregFarz78 GAGT - Junkie AKA: See Above Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philly, PA Age: 43 Posts: 4,413 Vehicle: 04 Honda S2000	I cant wait to take a ride...it was loud over the phone when you guys called me I could hear the whine Lemme know when you're going to the track I'll try and make it. __________________ My Pics

12-01-2002, 10:38 PM	#11
BMOBYLE Grease Monkey Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: drexel hill Age: 44 Posts: 659 Vehicle: 99GAGTBLACKmodded!	Yeah god job irate!!! I wanna take a ride w/ you someday. Now I guess Headers won't fit now or what??? Or did they say not to do that anyway for boost purposes? __________________ GM's love me ASE Certified!!! My N-Body I'll see ya with my tools F-FACE!

12-02-2002, 05:49 AM	#12
GregFarz78 GAGT - Junkie AKA: See Above Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philly, PA Age: 43 Posts: 4,413 Vehicle: 04 Honda S2000	Its a centrifugal supercharger not sure you could do headers. Does that work the same as a turbo they had to fab a custom manifold for the s/c? __________________ My Pics

12-02-2002, 08:33 AM	#14
mfuller Mr. Common Sense AKA: Matt Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Loves Park, IL USA Age: 47 Posts: 2,031 Vehicle: 2000 Alero GLS sedan	Very nice, Rob. Are we placing bets yet on when your transmission will start screaming for mercy? __________________ Matt - Resident brake and suspension guru Also, your friendly Performance and Technical Moderator *Please don't tailgate, text and drive, drink and drive, or otherwise act like an asshat.* Questioning if it will ever run again.....

12-02-2002, 01:19 PM	#17
DavidScott77 Destroy the weak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 216 Vehicle: Lately a money pit	Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I could pay off. Have another 5K you need to loosen from your wallet? WOW! No offense Irate. Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA, but is spending that much cash REALLY worth what little performance you're gonna get out of it? Now if it added enough power to hit 300+HP fine. But like you said, its completely stock. Other than that, it does look cool, but not for the price. __________________ I sense the presence of Ackbar is close!

12-02-2002, 03:27 PM	#20
Tonyyank Administrator AKA: Anthony Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Parma, MI Age: 40 Posts: 3,470 Vehicle: 09 Silverado 4x4	Nice to hear Rob!!! Cant wait to see it in person!!! need to get that boost gauge in there now I want a ride!! Heard it though Seth celly...WOW need to get rid of that speed limiter and get a vid of that!!

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