Togs Dont Fit!!!!!

GTluver · 03-12-2005, 12:23 AM

Well the headers themselves are in but the pipe that connects them too is too short.....they are about have an inch short or so.....the shop guy got a hold of john and then i called john too and he said he is sending me another one (at my own expense including shipping

)and will be nickle coated and not ceramic

is this a common problem? I need help fast as the car is in the shop and the pipe should be here by monday or @ least thats what jonh said....

A few minor things to note, he put sealant on the headers instead of gaskets....i forgot why he did this so i gotta ask him....

also, the the lock tite header screws that I got from summit racing wont be put on either, cuz he said since the heads are aluminum, if ur not careful, u'll overtorque em and fuc* em up, blah blah

sorry for using whoever's pic that was for reference....

GTluver · 03-12-2005, 12:24 AM

i meant half an inch too short.....or just a hair under .5"

GTluver · 03-12-2005, 12:30 AM

the guy said, worst case scenario, if th3 2nd pipe that the guy sends u is the same/no good, we will weld an extra piece in there to make it long enuff to fit and u can return ur headers to the seller and demand a full refund....

he seems pretty knowledgeable when it comes to installing headers....its like his 10th install of headers...(last wk they installed headers on a GP GTP)

so we'll see.....hope everything comes out just fine......

now i contemplate if i shoulda gone w/ S & S woulda been the best choice.....ah well...**** happens

GrahamKracka · 03-12-2005, 01:25 AM

we installed some togs on my friends GA...everything fit fine

3x3 · 03-12-2005, 05:19 AM

Make certain the front header isn't for a Grand Prix. I ran into this problem. It looks like it fits but after closer inspection it was determined that it was not the GA front header. Also there is a donut style gasket between the crossover and the rear header. Make certain you are using this. The piece I would say is a good half inch.

GTluver · 03-12-2005, 06:32 AM

im pretty sure both headers are for a ga since they are already tighten in there.....i will let him know about the donut gasket since i didnt see any on there......

Blackrider · 03-12-2005, 12:22 PM

Another thing to add to the list wrong with TOG's.

But thats BS tell him to cram it up his ass if he is going to make you pay!

Thats odd I heard how TOG had the best customer service

eric99gt · 03-12-2005, 01:38 PM

i would bet he is not putting in the donut gasket as 3*3 said. but it's odd that tog wouldn't help fix the problem for free.

GTluver · 03-12-2005, 05:47 PM

yea im pretty sure he didnt try it w/ the dognut either.....does this gasket comes w/ the headers? if so, i didnt got one

Can i buy any other similar to it @ any parts store?

AaronGAGT · 03-12-2005, 08:11 PM

wtf kind of business is that? Their product is faulty... but you have to pay for that? WEAK sauce!

puckyou · 03-12-2005, 10:34 PM

My first set of headers from the group buy were a front Grand Prix and rear Grand Am, both from a bad batch also as they were rusting. Jon had me send those in at my cost, he replaced them from PFYC. PFYC in turn sent me a complete set for the 3800 Grand Prix, I returned them at PFYC cost. The latest set I received was complete except for the missing O2 extension. So that is on the way, this week.

You should have had 2 - 2" steel donuts, in the hardware bag. They are about 1/4" thick or so on the top and 1/2" thick on the bottom. That is my guess also where the difference is.

GTluver · 03-13-2005, 12:13 AM

thnx for the replies guys....ill see how it goes on monday.....regardless if the new part he sends me is the right one or not....we'll find a way to work it out by tues afternoon at the latest.....

dont get me wrong, John seems very friendly and helpful right away as soon as i told him of the said problem...

as soon as i said i needed a new part, he quickly wanted to rush out and send me the new part b4 UPS close.....

the only thing that kinda ticked me off is that the new part and shipping fees would be at my own expense even tho the part is faulty and not my fault in any way....

mwolverines · 03-13-2005, 12:52 AM

"Dont take crap from anybody!" - Pops (from dirty work if ya know what im talkin bout)

coupe · 03-13-2005, 10:23 AM

Thats another reason i like S&S, 2 piece.

puckyou · 03-15-2005, 11:52 AM

So, whats the latest?

GTluver · 03-15-2005, 02:08 PM

well good news guys......everything is on now.........

anyways....i luv the sound of it.....kinda like the mastercard commercial......

"having headers and slp, priceless'

ill put pics of the install later this eve.....

anyone kknow where i can upload movie clips so i can upload a cpl of sound clips.....?

now i just need to take it to a shop to have them put bend some pipes so the tails come out in the middle....

the headers get really really hot tho.....dunno if its common w/ headers.....i turned the car on since last night and only w/ 5 minutes running, the headers were very hot....

overall, im pleased w/ them....now when i picked it up the sound was kinda rough....i heard that it will settle and get better until it gets broken in....like after u drive it some 50-75 miles or so....

my next performance mod will prolly b the DHP

coupe · 03-15-2005, 02:19 PM

It will not get better, the sound is there to stay. There is nothing to break in.
And yes they get VERY hot VERY fast, even after 10 seconds.

puckyou · 03-15-2005, 03:17 PM

So what was the issue with them? the 1/2 inch varience?

FORTEEN3GT · 03-15-2005, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coupe

It will not get better, the sound is there to stay. There is nothing to break in.
And yes they get VERY hot VERY fast, even after 10 seconds.

you just get used to the new sound! kinda like a cut out!

coupe · 03-15-2005, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORTEEN3GT

you just get used to the new sound! kinda like a cut out!

yup

03-12-2005, 12:23 AM	#1
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	Togs Dont Fit!!!!! Well the headers themselves are in but the pipe that connects them too is too short.....they are about have an inch short or so.....the shop guy got a hold of john and then i called john too and he said he is sending me another one (at my own expense including shipping )and will be nickle coated and not ceramic is this a common problem? I need help fast as the car is in the shop and the pipe should be here by monday or @ least thats what jonh said.... A few minor things to note, he put sealant on the headers instead of gaskets....i forgot why he did this so i gotta ask him.... also, the the lock tite header screws that I got from summit racing wont be put on either, cuz he said since the heads are aluminum, if ur not careful, u'll overtorque em and fuc* em up, blah blah sorry for using whoever's pic that was for reference.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Siquio

03-12-2005, 12:24 AM	#2
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	i meant half an inch too short.....or just a hair under .5" __________________ Siquio

03-12-2005, 12:30 AM	#3
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	the guy said, worst case scenario, if th3 2nd pipe that the guy sends u is the same/no good, we will weld an extra piece in there to make it long enuff to fit and u can return ur headers to the seller and demand a full refund.... he seems pretty knowledgeable when it comes to installing headers....its like his 10th install of headers...(last wk they installed headers on a GP GTP) so we'll see.....hope everything comes out just fine...... now i contemplate if i shoulda gone w/ S & S woulda been the best choice.....ah well...**** happens __________________ Siquio

03-12-2005, 05:19 AM	#5
3x3 GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 281 Vehicle: 99 GAGT	Make certain the front header isn't for a Grand Prix. I ran into this problem. It looks like it fits but after closer inspection it was determined that it was not the GA front header. Also there is a donut style gasket between the crossover and the rear header. Make certain you are using this. The piece I would say is a good half inch. __________________ Vortech Supercharged Last edited by 3x3; 03-12-2005 at 05:28 AM.

03-12-2005, 06:32 AM	#6
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	im pretty sure both headers are for a ga since they are already tighten in there.....i will let him know about the donut gasket since i didnt see any on there...... __________________ Siquio

03-12-2005, 01:25 AM	#4
GrahamKracka WannaBe Fat Kid AKA: Richard Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Age: 36 Posts: 1,517 Vehicle: 2005 Nissan Titan	we installed some togs on my friends GA...everything fit fine

03-12-2005, 12:22 PM	#7
Blackrider Ifeast Upon The Weak AKA: Jordie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Victoria B.C. Age: 36 Posts: 3,048 Vehicle: 06 GTP 6Speed	Another thing to add to the list wrong with TOG's. But thats BS tell him to cram it up his ass if he is going to make you pay! Thats odd I heard how TOG had the best customer service __________________ 60DegreeGTP Last edited by Blackrider; 03-12-2005 at 02:21 PM.

03-12-2005, 01:38 PM	#8
eric99gt just go for it AKA: Eric Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,505 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Sedan	i would bet he is not putting in the donut gasket as 3*3 said. but it's odd that tog wouldn't help fix the problem for free. __________________ Check the rig out here. http://rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=250 Check out my Interceptor digital scan tool

03-12-2005, 05:47 PM	#9
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	yea im pretty sure he didnt try it w/ the dognut either.....does this gasket comes w/ the headers? if so, i didnt got one Can i buy any other similar to it @ any parts store? __________________ Siquio

03-12-2005, 08:11 PM	#10
AaronGAGT Scrap scrap! AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Westland, MI Age: 38 Posts: 1,804 Vehicle: 2000 Black GT Coupe	wtf kind of business is that? Their product is faulty... but you have to pay for that? WEAK sauce!

03-12-2005, 10:34 PM	#11
puckyou Chevy Power!!! AKA: Jim Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 45 Posts: 940 Vehicle: 2011 Silverado 6.2L	My first set of headers from the group buy were a front Grand Prix and rear Grand Am, both from a bad batch also as they were rusting. Jon had me send those in at my cost, he replaced them from PFYC. PFYC in turn sent me a complete set for the 3800 Grand Prix, I returned them at PFYC cost. The latest set I received was complete except for the missing O2 extension. So that is on the way, this week. You should have had 2 - 2" steel donuts, in the hardware bag. They are about 1/4" thick or so on the top and 1/2" thick on the bottom. That is my guess also where the difference is. __________________ 6.2L Silverado on 305/55/20 Trail Graps CarDomain-Trailblazer SS GAGT Garage Grand Am SC/T - RIP Last edited by puckyou; 03-12-2005 at 10:38 PM.

03-13-2005, 12:13 AM	#12
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	thnx for the replies guys....ill see how it goes on monday.....regardless if the new part he sends me is the right one or not....we'll find a way to work it out by tues afternoon at the latest..... dont get me wrong, John seems very friendly and helpful right away as soon as i told him of the said problem... as soon as i said i needed a new part, he quickly wanted to rush out and send me the new part b4 UPS close..... the only thing that kinda ticked me off is that the new part and shipping fees would be at my own expense even tho the part is faulty and not my fault in any way.... __________________ Siquio

03-13-2005, 12:52 AM	#13
mwolverines GAGT - Member AKA: Jason Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: crystal lake IL Posts: 268 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am	"Dont take crap from anybody!" - Pops (from dirty work if ya know what im talkin bout)

03-13-2005, 10:23 AM	#14
coupe lick it AKA: Rand Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Age: 40 Posts: 7,347 Vehicle: 99 GAGT/96 Z71/05 R6	Thats another reason i like S&S, 2 piece. __________________ CarDomain.com http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=31690558 he has asserted his dominance over competing males with the loud masculine sound form his exaust system, Females searching for a potential mate will be driven away by weaker exaust systems and attracted to his SLP.

03-15-2005, 11:52 AM	#15
puckyou Chevy Power!!! AKA: Jim Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 45 Posts: 940 Vehicle: 2011 Silverado 6.2L	So, whats the latest? __________________ 6.2L Silverado on 305/55/20 Trail Graps CarDomain-Trailblazer SS GAGT Garage Grand Am SC/T - RIP

03-15-2005, 02:08 PM	#16
GTluver newest hobby... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 43 Posts: 1,038 Vehicle: 2000 GA GT1 Sedan	well good news guys......everything is on now......... anyways....i luv the sound of it.....kinda like the mastercard commercial...... "having headers and slp, priceless' ill put pics of the install later this eve..... anyone kknow where i can upload movie clips so i can upload a cpl of sound clips.....? now i just need to take it to a shop to have them put bend some pipes so the tails come out in the middle.... the headers get really really hot tho.....dunno if its common w/ headers.....i turned the car on since last night and only w/ 5 minutes running, the headers were very hot.... overall, im pleased w/ them....now when i picked it up the sound was kinda rough....i heard that it will settle and get better until it gets broken in....like after u drive it some 50-75 miles or so.... my next performance mod will prolly b the DHP __________________ Siquio Last edited by GTluver; 03-15-2005 at 02:10 PM. Reason: .

03-15-2005, 02:19 PM	#17
coupe lick it AKA: Rand Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Age: 40 Posts: 7,347 Vehicle: 99 GAGT/96 Z71/05 R6	It will not get better, the sound is there to stay. There is nothing to break in. And yes they get VERY hot VERY fast, even after 10 seconds. __________________ CarDomain.com http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=31690558 he has asserted his dominance over competing males with the loud masculine sound form his exaust system, Females searching for a potential mate will be driven away by weaker exaust systems and attracted to his SLP.

03-15-2005, 03:17 PM	#18
puckyou Chevy Power!!! AKA: Jim Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 45 Posts: 940 Vehicle: 2011 Silverado 6.2L	So what was the issue with them? the 1/2 inch varience? __________________ 6.2L Silverado on 305/55/20 Trail Graps CarDomain-Trailblazer SS GAGT Garage Grand Am SC/T - RIP

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