TA ws9???

digitalballz · 04-19-2005, 03:45 PM

werd must be a new model.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=50449

Stix · 04-19-2005, 04:30 PM

Not a new model, there is a formula model called a WS9.

Phantom Phoenix · 04-19-2005, 05:23 PM

Since when?

Stix · 04-19-2005, 05:49 PM

Google it, theres lots of information.

K2737 · 04-19-2005, 05:56 PM

WS9 = Formula
WS4 = TA
WS6 = performance package

IIRC. Could be wrong though.

Stix · 04-19-2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2737

WS9 = Formula
WS4 = TA
WS6 = performance package

IIRC. Could be wrong though.

Thats right.

GAGTSCTGuy · 04-19-2005, 08:24 PM

Never heard of a WS.9, also that is not a Formula, it's a Trans Am, the Formula says Firebird above the Phoenix, not Trans Am. Also you can tell by the lower rear fascia, the exhaust grooves are a Trans Am thing. I personally think it looks like ****, the WS.6 is a badge, that is a sticker....

carsarecool · 04-19-2005, 08:58 PM

Whats the difference with all the trim levels on that car anyway? Ive been wondering but couldnt tell the difference, somebody explain please... i know the chevy camaro just comes as a base with v-6, and the LS1 is the z28 then the model from SLP with 325 HP is the SS

now whats that with pontiac, is the firebird and trans am two different cars? the v-6 T/A is just that, and the LS1 is the firehawk, and the WS-6 is the 325 HP SLP version right? so whats the firebird formula or firebird firehawk, thats a LS1 also but whats the diff. between that and the Trans Am, same car right?! i just want one really bad too... haha

Ant · 04-20-2005, 10:24 AM

firehawk is the slp one, and the ws6 has the ls1 as well. i'm sure someone will clarify this all very shortly.

ganut · 04-20-2005, 11:52 AM

Never heard of the WS9..... I know on the Camaro, you can also get the Z29 and Z29R.

ganut · 04-20-2005, 02:25 PM

Aaahhh Mecham. Located right here in AZ.... Camaro Z29R

Mecham's other cars. Including the TA, formula, & firebird

GAGTSCTGuy · 04-20-2005, 03:05 PM

OK I typed a message, but I deleted it, last night (before I saw this thread) I found the specifications at LS1Tech.com, I tried to find them this morning before I posted, but I couldn't, here it is, this should give you a good idea of the differences....

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...83&postcount=5

I do not believe the Firehawk was included in this list because it is not a model, it is an aftermarket model by SLP, kind of like that Grand Prix GTX that they made.... Actually the WS6 was made by ASC but thats another story.

Here is another good link for questions about LS1's, LS1Tech's SuperFAQ

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213148

digitalballz · 04-20-2005, 05:47 PM

damn didnt think this thread would go anywhere. i knew it wasnt a "new" model. Just never heard of it before. Seeing as im looking into buying a TA (preferably a WS6) this will be some good info. thanks guys.

SC/T02 · 04-21-2005, 08:48 AM

All cars started out as a Firebird since 1969 when the Trans Am was introduced. The WS-6 package was originally 15x8" wheels vs the 15x7 along with upgraded suspension, brakes and so on. It evolved to a more powerful product meaning with the functional Ram-Air hood, more powerful engines and so on.

But even 4th gen Trans Am's are firebirds. The optional Formual package was the next step up in which case you can go to the Firebird Formula WS-6 which was rare to build this way. Or you could go Firebird, Trans Am option, followed by the WS-6 option which was the more common route. The last setup was the Firebird, with the Trans Am option with the Firehawk package installed by SLP for a 345 HP ride with LS6 heads, intake and so on. I know this because we have owned about a dozen TA's and I have had a few of my own.

K2737 was about dead on when he said
WS9 = Formula
WS4 = TA
WS6 = performance package

Firebird
Firebird Formula
Firebird Formula WS-6
Firebird Trans Am
Firebird Trans Am WS-6
Firebird Firehawk

Pontiac Ninja · 04-25-2005, 10:44 AM

Just to add a little extra that the dude above might not realize for sure......

Formulas are V-8s that look like plain Firebirds basically with some different badges and dual exhuast. TAs have all the ground effects standard, grooves in the back for the exhaust (as mentioned earilier), forglights standard and so on. Although in the middle 90s I have seen some v6 formulas, which just seems retarted to me (not sure if that coninued till 02 or not). Firebirds are the base with v6 as standard. v-8 is standard on all TAs and up. There is no such thing as a v-6 TA (with the exception of the 89 turbo v6)!! And most ppl just call them Trans-Ams at that level and not firebird TAs although technically they are still firebirds.

n7plus1 · 04-25-2005, 12:01 PM

im refering to last gen. firebird / trans am:

i thought the cars with the "Firebird" badges on the side of the car, on the doors were all v-6's stock. and the ones with the "Trans Am" was the v-8. I didnt think that they made the formulas in the last gen. So your saying that the cars with the "Firebird" lettering could be either a v-6 base model or a v-8 formula?

GAGTSCTGuy · 04-25-2005, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n7plus1

im refering to last gen. firebird / trans am:

i thought the cars with the "Firebird" badges on the side of the car, on the doors were all v-6's stock. and the ones with the "Trans Am" was the v-8. I didnt think that they made the formulas in the last gen. So your saying that the cars with the "Firebird" lettering could be either a v-6 base model or a v-8 formula?

Nope, I have a 4th(last) gen Firebird Formula, badge says Formula, this is from one of my previous posts....

edit: All V-6's say Firebird, All LS1's say Firehawk, or Trans Am, or Formula on the doors

Pontiac Ninja · 04-25-2005, 01:02 PM

yeah it does actually say Formula on those models. Firebird is v-6 stock for sure. I was totally wrong about any v-6 formulas, they are all v-8s! Just another tid bit of trivia in 1994 there was a TA and TA GT. The Trans Am and Trans Am GT models differentiated by a raised spoiler on the GT model, but merged back to just TA in 1995.

n7plus1 · 04-25-2005, 03:12 PM

ahh..ok i got it, glad we got that cleared up!

digitalballz · 04-25-2005, 05:10 PM

another question??? what exactly is the suspention upgrade on the WS6? Is it some serious upgrades or just some minor stuff? thanks

04-19-2005, 03:45 PM	#1
digitalballz # 1846 AKA: Bobby Jr. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Malden, Ma. Age: 40 Posts: 1,479 Vehicle: 2002 WS6 CETA	TA ws9??? werd must be a new model. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=50449 __________________ I have dated a girl for her brains...........Big.............Huge........ BRAINS.

04-19-2005, 05:23 PM	#3
Phantom Phoenix On Adrenaline Rush Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stanton, KY Age: 38 Posts: 150 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am SE Sedan	Since when? __________________ -Seth Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.

04-19-2005, 05:56 PM	#5
K2737 GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester/Rome NY Age: 36 Posts: 524 Vehicle: '01 GA SE	WS9 = Formula WS4 = TA WS6 = performance package IIRC. Could be wrong though. __________________ - adam - '01 GASE

04-19-2005, 08:24 PM	#7
GAGTSCTGuy GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,034 Vehicle: 04 GAGT SCT,99 Formula	Never heard of a WS.9, also that is not a Formula, it's a Trans Am, the Formula says Firebird above the Phoenix, not Trans Am. Also you can tell by the lower rear fascia, the exhaust grooves are a Trans Am thing. I personally think it looks like ****, the WS.6 is a badge, that is a sticker.... __________________ 2004 Grand Am GT SC/T --- Daily driver 1999 Firebird Formula --- Weekend toy 1998 Sunfire SE --- Wife's car N-Body

04-20-2005, 10:24 AM	#9
Ant LS2 - Member AKA: Anthony Join Date: May 2003 Location: DC metro area Age: 34 Posts: 2,251 Vehicle: S5/GTO	firehawk is the slp one, and the ws6 has the ls1 as well. i'm sure someone will clarify this all very shortly. __________________ USAF -06 IBM GTO/M6 - 477 WHP Best e/t before H/C - 12.71 @ 111.77 -18 Audi S5 Prestige Navarra Blue/A8 - DTUK Tuned 12.14 @ 111.19

04-19-2005, 04:30 PM	#2
Stix GAGT Freak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 139 Vehicle: 99 GT	Not a new model, there is a formula model called a WS9.

04-19-2005, 05:49 PM	#4
Stix GAGT Freak Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 139 Vehicle: 99 GT	Google it, theres lots of information.

04-19-2005, 08:58 PM	#8
carsarecool GAGT - Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Capital Region, NY Age: 35 Posts: 233 Vehicle: 2004 GTO	Whats the difference with all the trim levels on that car anyway? Ive been wondering but couldnt tell the difference, somebody explain please... i know the chevy camaro just comes as a base with v-6, and the LS1 is the z28 then the model from SLP with 325 HP is the SS now whats that with pontiac, is the firebird and trans am two different cars? the v-6 T/A is just that, and the LS1 is the firehawk, and the WS-6 is the 325 HP SLP version right? so whats the firebird formula or firebird firehawk, thats a LS1 also but whats the diff. between that and the Trans Am, same car right?! i just want one really bad too... haha

04-20-2005, 11:52 AM	#10
ganut 00redse AKA: Mike Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: AZ Age: 40 Posts: 853 Vehicle: 00 GASE	Never heard of the WS9..... I know on the Camaro, you can also get the Z29 and Z29R. __________________ My Car supercharged alcohol injected kitted lot's o goodies

04-20-2005, 02:25 PM	#11
ganut 00redse AKA: Mike Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: AZ Age: 40 Posts: 853 Vehicle: 00 GASE	Aaahhh Mecham. Located right here in AZ.... Camaro Z29R Mecham's other cars. Including the TA, formula, & firebird __________________ My Car supercharged alcohol injected kitted lot's o goodies

04-20-2005, 03:05 PM	#12
GAGTSCTGuy GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,034 Vehicle: 04 GAGT SCT,99 Formula	OK I typed a message, but I deleted it, last night (before I saw this thread) I found the specifications at LS1Tech.com, I tried to find them this morning before I posted, but I couldn't, here it is, this should give you a good idea of the differences.... http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...83&postcount=5 I do not believe the Firehawk was included in this list because it is not a model, it is an aftermarket model by SLP, kind of like that Grand Prix GTX that they made.... Actually the WS6 was made by ASC but thats another story. Here is another good link for questions about LS1's, LS1Tech's SuperFAQ http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213148 __________________ 2004 Grand Am GT SC/T --- Daily driver 1999 Firebird Formula --- Weekend toy 1998 Sunfire SE --- Wife's car N-Body

04-20-2005, 05:47 PM	#13
digitalballz # 1846 AKA: Bobby Jr. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Malden, Ma. Age: 40 Posts: 1,479 Vehicle: 2002 WS6 CETA	damn didnt think this thread would go anywhere. i knew it wasnt a "new" model. Just never heard of it before. Seeing as im looking into buying a TA (preferably a WS6) this will be some good info. thanks guys. __________________ I have dated a girl for her brains...........Big.............Huge........ BRAINS.

04-21-2005, 08:48 AM	#14
SC/T02 Old School Pontiac AKA: Adam Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eighty Four, PA Age: 37 Posts: 1,049 Vehicle: '99 30th TA/08-09 G8	All cars started out as a Firebird since 1969 when the Trans Am was introduced. The WS-6 package was originally 15x8" wheels vs the 15x7 along with upgraded suspension, brakes and so on. It evolved to a more powerful product meaning with the functional Ram-Air hood, more powerful engines and so on. But even 4th gen Trans Am's are firebirds. The optional Formual package was the next step up in which case you can go to the Firebird Formula WS-6 which was rare to build this way. Or you could go Firebird, Trans Am option, followed by the WS-6 option which was the more common route. The last setup was the Firebird, with the Trans Am option with the Firehawk package installed by SLP for a 345 HP ride with LS6 heads, intake and so on. I know this because we have owned about a dozen TA's and I have had a few of my own. K2737 was about dead on when he said WS9 = Formula WS4 = TA WS6 = performance package Firebird Firebird Formula Firebird Formula WS-6 Firebird Trans Am Firebird Trans Am WS-6 Firebird Firehawk __________________ You know better then to Hassel the Hoff! www.TheAutoNation.org

04-25-2005, 10:44 AM	#15
Pontiac Ninja GAGT - Member AKA: Jason Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kansas City Age: 39 Posts: 987 Vehicle: 2004 Mazda 6 V6	Just to add a little extra that the dude above might not realize for sure...... Formulas are V-8s that look like plain Firebirds basically with some different badges and dual exhuast. TAs have all the ground effects standard, grooves in the back for the exhaust (as mentioned earilier), forglights standard and so on. Although in the middle 90s I have seen some v6 formulas, which just seems retarted to me (not sure if that coninued till 02 or not). Firebirds are the base with v6 as standard. v-8 is standard on all TAs and up. There is no such thing as a v-6 TA (with the exception of the 89 turbo v6)!! And most ppl just call them Trans-Ams at that level and not firebird TAs although technically they are still firebirds. __________________ CarDomain

04-25-2005, 12:01 PM	#16
n7plus1 GAGT - Member AKA: Nate Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: York, PA Age: 37 Posts: 128 Vehicle: 2005 Acura RSX Type-S	im refering to last gen. firebird / trans am: i thought the cars with the "Firebird" badges on the side of the car, on the doors were all v-6's stock. and the ones with the "Trans Am" was the v-8. I didnt think that they made the formulas in the last gen. So your saying that the cars with the "Firebird" lettering could be either a v-6 base model or a v-8 formula?

04-25-2005, 01:02 PM	#18
Pontiac Ninja GAGT - Member AKA: Jason Join Date: May 2003 Location: Kansas City Age: 39 Posts: 987 Vehicle: 2004 Mazda 6 V6	yeah it does actually say Formula on those models. Firebird is v-6 stock for sure. I was totally wrong about any v-6 formulas, they are all v-8s! Just another tid bit of trivia in 1994 there was a TA and TA GT. The Trans Am and Trans Am GT models differentiated by a raised spoiler on the GT model, but merged back to just TA in 1995. __________________ CarDomain Last edited by Pontiac Ninja; 04-25-2005 at 02:22 PM.

04-25-2005, 03:12 PM	#19
n7plus1 GAGT - Member AKA: Nate Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: York, PA Age: 37 Posts: 128 Vehicle: 2005 Acura RSX Type-S	ahh..ok i got it, glad we got that cleared up!

04-25-2005, 05:10 PM	#20
digitalballz # 1846 AKA: Bobby Jr. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Malden, Ma. Age: 40 Posts: 1,479 Vehicle: 2002 WS6 CETA	another question??? what exactly is the suspention upgrade on the WS6? Is it some serious upgrades or just some minor stuff? thanks __________________ I have dated a girl for her brains...........Big.............Huge........ BRAINS.

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