Custom Turbo Cost (hypothetical)

[Rich]

i did a search and really didnt see what i was looking for. so ive been looking around today at the GM SC for the 2.4 and was wondering if a turbo setup would be cheaper than getting the SC. since the SC is about 2000+ (with extras) and the level 3 DPP turbo is 2150. how much would a custom setup cost? i know it would vary from shop to shop and how much HP i wanted, but can anyone give a ballpark? i think the SC would at least be good for its rareness, sexiness, and reliability. thanks.

[95-GT]

Around the same or more. The kit already made has the turbo manifolds built, but if you go custom, they will need to be made from scratch. The turbo alone is approx $500, hot and cold side exhaust will run a in the area of $600, intercooler will be another $300, then there is a BOV, nuts/bolts, wastegate, tuning, injectors?, and all the other stuff. On some things, I am also going on the low side too.

[SpyhunteR]

reliability plug n play n go.. hands down gm supercharger...

and if you want as good and complete a set up as what gmperformance parts came out with, along w/ the daily driveability...

you're going to spend about as much if not more.... the tuning will be a bitch to get juuuuuuust right

[GAGTS03]

So Far this is what Ive racked up

1) XS Boost controller - 60
2) Turbo Manifold - 200 Actually a good one not some Cheap Ebay Crap
3) Turbo Timer - 70
4) Boost Gauge - 65
5) Wastegate - 9 Lb spring - 210
6) Greddy Type RS BOV - 150
7) 370cc Injectors - 300
8) Apex'i S-AFC - 210
9) Cancelled getting a Garret T3 .50 A/R Turbo - Heard they start falling apart - The turbo Im looking at is another 750 Which I dont want to spend
10) Dont even have any piping yet, Will still have to get an intercooler and custom exhaust

Basically, If you want it to be a good kit - go custom, not some "kit" you just bolt on and expect gains from, Do research, get deals, and you will make the correct decision.

Edit 11) Still Gotta Get A Wideband 02...The list goes on and on

[95-GT]

Originally Posted by GAGTS03

So Far this is what Ive racked up

1) XS Boost controller - 60
2) Turbo Manifold - 200 Actually a good one not some Cheap Ebay Crap
3) Turbo Timer - 70
4) Boost Gauge - 65
5) Wastegate - 9 Lb spring - 210
6) Greddy Type RS BOV - 150
7) 370cc Injectors - 300
8) Apex'i S-AFC - 210
9) Cancelled getting a Garret T3 .50 A/R Turbo - Heard they start falling apart - The turbo Im looking at is another 750 Which I dont want to spend
10) Dont even have any piping yet, Will still have to get an intercooler and custom exhaust

Basically, If you want it to be a good kit - go custom, not some "kit" you just bolt on and expect gains from, Do research, get deals, and you will make the correct decision.

Edit 11) Still Gotta Get A Wideband 02...The list goes on and on

He wont need a wideband o2 is he is not doing the tuning. If he is, they are only $300. As for the BOV, he could use a simple plastic Bosch OEM replacement that are like $25-$45.

[Rich]

thanks for the replies. i was just thinking it might be nice to get a little more boost with all the junk in my trunk. and it does look good in the engine bay heh. also, since my next car could very well be a 2.4 GA it might not be a bad buy, or i could always sell it and get a decent amount of money back. anyway, this probably wouldnt happen for awhile ive just been wondering about it. thanks again.

[Germ]

i love how some of you think its so expensive to make a turbo kit....


the DPP kit is ment for a v6, so the cost is reflective of having to make 2 manifolds and a downpipe that snakes around the engine.

in the 4 cyl, you only going to need to make 1 manifold and the downpipe is SUPER easy since it can run under the engine, instead of around the engine.

the parts and prices listed above are not even close to being accurate....


1) XS Boost controller - 60

why spend 60 on a ball and spring boost controler, make one for $10


2) Turbo Manifold - 200 Actually a good one not some Cheap Ebay Crap

200 is not a bad price for a manifold, got link or pic or something?

3) Turbo Timer - 70

you do NOT need a turbo timer, i dont give a crap what anyone says. with todays oils the chance of coaking the shaft is slim to none, especially if you use synthetic oil.

4) Boost Gauge - 65

depeding on what you want, you can get boost gauges for literally $10

5) Wastegate - 9 Lb spring - 210

if this is not a Tial brand or other "name brand" then you are spending WAY to much, because you can get a knock off for like $130

6) Greddy Type RS BOV - 150

again, your buing a "name", and a knock off BOV for $40 will work just fine

7) 370cc Injectors - 300

your going to need bigger injecectors than that. more like 500+ cc, i am currently using 42.5 # injectors, which is close to 600 cc

8) Apex'i S-AFC - 210

i assume your using this for tuning, all i have to say is that it is a band aid, but if its the only thing you can use to tune the 4 cyl, then i would say its not to bad of a deal. hellofalot better than an FMU


9) Cancelled getting a Garret T3 .50 A/R Turbo - Heard they start falling apart - The turbo Im looking at is another 750 Which I dont want to spend

where did you hear that from? any turbo can fail, and 99% of the time, its the owners fault it fails (to much oil pressure or not enough is usually the problem). the ebay turbo's work JUST FINE.

10) Dont even have any piping yet, Will still have to get an intercooler and custom exhaust

piping will not be that expensive, usually less than 150 aluminum pipe, less than 75 is you use mild steel

intercoolers can be found for WAY less than 200

exhaust shouldnt cost more than 300 to have done at a competent shop





if you need ANY help with your project, feel free to PM me or contact me and i will help you out as much as i can

[DrFabulous]

Rich, you should keep an eye out on www.j-body.org, the have turbo/supercharger stuff on there all the time in the classifieds. It'd be a good place to get most of the parts, if you don't mind buying used.

I am really excited if you do decide to go through with this project.

[GAGTS03]

Originally Posted by Germ

i love how some of you think its so expensive to make a turbo kit....


the DPP kit is ment for a v6, so the cost is reflective of having to make 2 manifolds and a downpipe that snakes around the engine.

in the 4 cyl, you only going to need to make 1 manifold and the downpipe is SUPER easy since it can run under the engine, instead of around the engine.

the parts and prices listed above are not even close to being accurate....


1) XS Boost controller - 60
why spend 60 on a ball and spring boost controler, make one for $10

2) Turbo Manifold - 200 Actually a good one not some Cheap Ebay Crap
200 is not a bad price for a manifold, got link or pic or something?

3) Turbo Timer - 70
you do NOT need a turbo timer, i dont give a crap what anyone says. with todays oils the chance of coaking the shaft is slim to none, especially if you use synthetic oil.

4) Boost Gauge - 65
depeding on what you want, you can get boost gauges for literally $10

5) Wastegate - 9 Lb spring - 210
if this is not a Tial brand or other "name brand" then you are spending WAY to much, because you can get a knock off for like $130

6) Greddy Type RS BOV - 150
again, your buing a "name", and a knock off BOV for $40 will work just fine

7) 370cc Injectors - 300
your going to need bigger injecectors than that. more like 500+ cc, i am currently using 42.5 # injectors, which is close to 600 cc

8) Apex'i S-AFC - 210
i assume your using this for tuning, all i have to say is that it is a band aid, but if its the only thing you can use to tune the 4 cyl, then i would say its not to bad of a deal. hellofalot better than an FMU

9) Cancelled getting a Garret T3 .50 A/R Turbo - Heard they start falling apart - The turbo Im looking at is another 750 Which I dont want to spend

where did you hear that from? any turbo can fail, and 99% of the time, its the owners fault it fails (to much oil pressure or not enough is usually the problem). the ebay turbo's work JUST FINE.

10) Dont even have any piping yet, Will still have to get an intercooler and custom exhaust

piping will not be that expensive, usually less than 150 aluminum pipe, less than 75 is you use mild steel

intercoolers can be found for WAY less than 200

exhaust shouldnt cost more than 300 to have done at a competent shop

if you need ANY help with your project, feel free to PM me or contact me and i will help you out as much as i can

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Well Mr. "Know It All" I Prefer To Buy quality products so my car doesnt fail or blow up, Making my own boost controllers, BOV, Why a turbo timer? do you know anything about oil build up and how they ruin turbos? I had to stop reading it was so lame, I prefer to buy parts that I know will not ruin my engine because they were hand made and you didnt know how to make them. The Key in buying a turbo kit is quality - Sure you an go out and buy a turbo kit for 2100 They have a kit for my car for 1900 - BUT ITS Crap , It'll fail in 6 months or less gauranteed - Do it the first time DO IT RIGHT - Done.

[GAGTS03]

In response To Dr. Fab - J-body is an awesome place, Get lots of stuff from there for good deals, Good Place Nice Point Matt

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by GAGTS03

In response To Dr. Fab - J-body is an awesome place, Get lots of stuff from there for good deals, Good Place Nice Point Matt

It is a great place. First place I check for anything 4-banger.

[tejohnson]

Originally Posted by Germ

i love how some of you think its so expensive to make a turbo kit....

I fully agree. I was able to score come of my parts even cheaper... Other items, well, I spent a bit much. I would take a turbo over a blower any day, but I'm biased

[95-GT]

Thing is, I know Rich, and no offense Rich, your not really inclined to do your own tuning or inclined to make the manifold. There is lots of welding involved, then with Michigan, yuou willl need to have it jetcoated and all, which is where costs addup. If you claim it can be done for under $1200-$1300, your using junker parts. Thats the BARE min cost for it. I can do a twin kit myself on the stang for that price, but I also dont need turbo manifolds as all I do is turn mine upside down and around.

[tejohnson]

Originally Posted by 95-GT

...then with Michigan, yuou willl need to have it jetcoated and all, which is where costs addup.

Why does living in Michigan require Jet Coating? I live in WV. They use salt on the highways (like right now) just the same. Jeremy lives in "Eden Prairie, MN". Guess he does not see cold snowy winters... If you are concerned with rust, a can of high temp header paint should do just fine. I haven't even painted mine yet, and the rust was very minimal (barely any surface rust).

[Graxall]

theres very few sounds i like better than the sound of a turbo BOV. And they arent from cars ..or men or animals of any kind...............

[Germ]

Originally Posted by GAGTS03

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Well Mr. "Know It All" I Prefer To Buy quality products so my car doesnt fail or blow up, Making my own boost controllers, BOV, Why a turbo timer? do you know anything about oil build up and how they ruin turbos? I had to stop reading it was so lame, I prefer to buy parts that I know will not ruin my engine because they were hand made and you didnt know how to make them. The Key in buying a turbo kit is quality - Sure you an go out and buy a turbo kit for 2100 They have a kit for my car for 1900 - BUT ITS Crap , It'll fail in 6 months or less gauranteed - Do it the first time DO IT RIGHT - Done.

well, considering I ACTUALLY HAVE TURBO'D MY CAR instead of talking about it, i do consider myself to know quite a bit about this...

do you even know what a boost controller is? did you know that 99% of the manual boost controllers out there is a "ball and spring" air flow valve? easy to make, easier to buy it already made for $10 instead of buying a name brand.

as for a turbo timer and oil properties, did you miss the point i said about SYNTHETIC OIL? syn oil does NOT start coaking until over 280*F, your engine oil will NOT reach 280, hell, it wont reach 250. therefor the oil WILL NOT COAK. and if you run regular oil in a turbo'd car, well, your stupid.

and yea you can buy kits for whatever price, but YOU cannot gaurantee that it will fail in less than 6 months. turbo's fail from USER error most of the time. to much oil, not enough oil, no air filter, PROPER TUNING, etc...

im sorry that you have those opinions, because evidently your the type of person that would buy name brand milk instead of the store brand milk, even though it comes from the same freaking cows

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 95-GT

Thing is, I know Rich, and no offense Rich, your not really inclined to do your own tuning or inclined to make the manifold. There is lots of welding involved, then with Michigan, yuou willl need to have it jetcoated and all, which is where costs addup. If you claim it can be done for under $1200-$1300, your using junker parts. Thats the BARE min cost for it. I can do a twin kit myself on the stang for that price, but I also dont need turbo manifolds as all I do is turn mine upside down and around.

are you sure you know me? weve never met. did you mean john? anyway, no i cant weld so i wouldnt be doing much of it myself if i got a turbo. i might be able to do the tuning after reading up on it. this is all hypothetical anyway and i have just been wondering lately if the GM SC would be worth it, or to go all out turbo (if i had and all go car.)

matt- yeah i know about jbody, thats actually where i was looking at pictures of the SC and reading up on it. heh. it would be nice to do and probably kind of fun to install it, but like i said it wouldnt happen for awhile. if it did. ill hopefully have other expenses coming up soon.

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by Rich

ill hopefully have other expenses coming up soon.

WHAAAAAAAAATT???? /Family Guy

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DrFabulous

WHAAAAAAAAATT???? /Family Guy

oh nothing to crazy or super cool going on. just hoping to get full time and move out of my parents home, and have bills to pay whilst im living by myself. probably the only itme in my life ill look forward to paying bills.

[DrFabulous]

Originally Posted by Rich

oh nothing to crazy or super cool going on. just hoping to get full time and move out of my parents home, and have bills to pay whilst im living by myself. probably the only itme in my life ill look forward to paying bills.

I thought you meant a different project for the SE/T... I was going to say... do tell.


It's really nice when you get out on your own. It sucks $$$ wise, but you feel better.