Nitrous Questions

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 12:52 PM

I searched all over and still haven't found exactly what I'm curious about. I bought a NOS dry kit yesterday and plan on installing it this spring. What I'm wondering is what else i should install with it to make it work properly/better. Fuel parts? A new PCM (were can i find one for my 99se?) or should i be okay. I only plan on running a 50 shot. Just curious because I want to get whatever else i need for x-mas.

PACE · 12-03-2005, 01:50 PM

why did you pick a dry system?

Get some cooler plugs, 180 degree thermostat and an auto-trans interceptor and you'll be happy.

botlfed · 12-03-2005, 02:10 PM

what PACE said.....

NGK TR-6 plugs

make sure it is before the MAF in the system
also make sure to replace you fuel filter..... just to keep problems from popping up being the car is almost 7 years old

hova82 · 12-03-2005, 02:25 PM

Say goodbye to your engine !!!

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 04:32 PM

I got a good deal thats why i got the dry kit. I already have the 180 thermostat and NGK plugs. I was told to stay away from the trans interceptor, heard they ruin your clutch packs.

And as far as mounting the fogger, before the MAF?? so i don't want to install it in my CAI pipe??? What about removing my MAF screen??

Lastly, As far as blowing my motor, probably not. a 50 shot isn't nothing really. My dad has Nitrous on both of his drag cars and he said I'll have no problem. Its just that he's never installed a system on a fuel injected vehicle.

botlfed · 12-03-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hova82

Say goodbye to your engine !!!

shut up DUMBA$$........

this should be a nominee for the dumbest post evAr!!!

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botlfed

shut up DUMBA$$........

this should be a nominee for the dumbest post evAr!!!

PACE · 12-03-2005, 06:18 PM

my trans would not hold the power and shifted like crap until I got the auto trans. I'll bet B will agree. Get the auto trans.

MSJHWT · 12-03-2005, 06:19 PM

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And as far as mounting the fogger, before the MAF?? so i don't want to install it in my CAI pipe??? What about removing my MAF screen??

I'd stay away from Descreening the Maf, nothing but bad things can come from that.
With my Zex kit (also dry), I have it down the CAI pipe before the MAF, in the coupler that holds the CAI together, appox here:

might also look at getting an AFPR.
Might look at a PowerTuner to get a V1 and the turn down the timing, can control fuel tables and all that way, or I think they also have a "nitrous" version.

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 06:58 PM

I was thinking about going with a dhp pcm and the AFPR. Wouldn't the dhp do the trick as far as programming.

atc3434 · 12-03-2005, 07:04 PM

I regular DHP's got a lot of timing for Nitrous, a 50 shot would be ok with good gas, but I'd be careful not to spray on crappy fuel. Also, I'm almost positive you want to spray after the Maf, before the throttle body. There is a good post about this somewhere, lemme see if I can dig it out.

atc3434 · 12-03-2005, 07:11 PM

Ok, check out my thoughts on ZEX systems thread. Defintely spraying after the maf, before the throttle body on the short pipe with the IAT sensor and vacumn line. Spraying before the maf would really mess up the readings. The ZEX dry kit is pretty sexy, it monitors bottle pressure so it knows how much fuel to add based on how much n20 is being delivered. The TPS tap in is very nice as well, no switch to set up.

MSJHWT · 12-03-2005, 07:15 PM

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I regular DHP's got a lot of timing for Nitrous, a 50 shot would be ok with good gas, but I'd be careful not to spray on crappy fuel.

Exactly too much timing. I'm not sure I'd even risk spraying a 50 shot with the timing, but use a scan tool and watch your knock.
If you spray after the MAF it dosen't see the extra ''air'' and increase fuel.

atc3434 · 12-03-2005, 07:20 PM

I just read up on Zex's site... at least for their kit, you spary after the maf, not before it. I don't think a MAF has the capability to read nitrous effectively and compesate with the fuel. Thats why scanning is critical, you've gotta see whats happening with the a/f ratio and adjust your jetting accordingly. Spraying before the maf and hoping for the computer to compensate is dangerous and in-effective. My $.02.

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 07:27 PM

Well, If i get ahold of PFYC and tell them i need one for a nos application they could modify a bit i think. If they can't am i better with or without it????

MSJHWT · 12-03-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atc3434

Ok, check out my thoughts on ZEX systems thread. Defintely spraying after the maf, before the throttle body on the short pipe with the IAT sensor and vacumn line. Spraying before the maf would really mess up the readings. The ZEX dry kit is pretty sexy, it monitors bottle pressure so it knows how much fuel to add based on how much n20 is being delivered. The TPS tap in is very nice as well, no switch to set up.

Hmm, just read the mounting instruction again, you are to mount it aftrer the MAF.
Oddly enough PontiacGT2k had it mounted where I did before he got the kit, and I have it there now. Hmm...

MSJHWT · 12-03-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atc3434

I just read up on Zex's site... at least for their kit, you spary after the maf, not before it. I don't think a MAF has the capability to read nitrous effectively and compesate with the fuel. Thats why scanning is critical, you've gotta see whats happening with the a/f ratio and adjust your jetting accordingly. Spraying before the maf and hoping for the computer to compensate is dangerous and in-effective. My $.02.

The Zex uses the vaccume hoses on your FPR to increase the pressure, one of the main reasons I got the Zex, not sure with a NOS which dosen't have a "Brain Box", I think this is why the AFPR is more important to increase fuel. I also wouldn't leave the MAF alone to adjust, thought it was needed in addition to the "brain box" however.

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 07:41 PM

okay, what if i were to use this part, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-N...18396414QQrdZ1

customcarsff · 12-03-2005, 07:41 PM

is there anyplace to get it installed proffesionally

rap219 · 12-03-2005, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by customcarsff

is there anyplace to get it installed proffesionally

Thats No Fun....

12-03-2005, 12:52 PM	#1
rap219 GAGT - Member AKA: Rick Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: muskegon, mi Age: 36 Posts: 440 Vehicle: 99 Grand AM SE Coupe	Nitrous Questions I searched all over and still haven't found exactly what I'm curious about. I bought a NOS dry kit yesterday and plan on installing it this spring. What I'm wondering is what else i should install with it to make it work properly/better. Fuel parts? A new PCM (were can i find one for my 99se?) or should i be okay. I only plan on running a 50 shot. Just curious because I want to get whatever else i need for x-mas.

12-03-2005, 02:10 PM	#3
botlfed Wheelie Popper AKA: Brandon Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigania Age: 46 Posts: 892 Vehicle: LQ4 Turbo Mustang	what PACE said..... NGK TR-6 plugs make sure it is before the MAF in the system also make sure to replace you fuel filter..... just to keep problems from popping up being the car is almost 7 years old __________________ First 99+ GA in the 13's former rides 99 GAGT 04 GTP Cartuning Turbocharged current ride 2000 Mustang GT Turocharged 6.0 lq4

12-03-2005, 07:04 PM	#11
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	I regular DHP's got a lot of timing for Nitrous, a 50 shot would be ok with good gas, but I'd be careful not to spray on crappy fuel. Also, I'm almost positive you want to spray after the Maf, before the throttle body. There is a good post about this somewhere, lemme see if I can dig it out. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

12-03-2005, 07:11 PM	#12
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	Ok, check out my thoughts on ZEX systems thread. Defintely spraying after the maf, before the throttle body on the short pipe with the IAT sensor and vacumn line. Spraying before the maf would really mess up the readings. The ZEX dry kit is pretty sexy, it monitors bottle pressure so it knows how much fuel to add based on how much n20 is being delivered. The TPS tap in is very nice as well, no switch to set up. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

12-03-2005, 07:20 PM	#14
atc3434 Grand Am Again AKA: Andrew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auburn, NY Age: 38 Posts: 1,999 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE	I just read up on Zex's site... at least for their kit, you spary after the maf, not before it. I don't think a MAF has the capability to read nitrous effectively and compesate with the fuel. Thats why scanning is critical, you've gotta see whats happening with the a/f ratio and adjust your jetting accordingly. Spraying before the maf and hoping for the computer to compensate is dangerous and in-effective. My $.02. __________________ 1999 Grand Am SE2 - Blue, TOG Headers, SLP Exhaust, DHP - SOLD 1996 Vert' Z-28 - M6, magnaflow muffler-back, K&N FIPK, Hurst Short-throw - 13.6 @ 103mph. 2006 Dodge Charger R/T Daytona - Go Mango Orange #2832 of 4000. Tune/exhaust. 14.009@97mph. 2002 Saab 9 5 Aero Wagon - 3" turboback/tune. 17psi of sleeper fun just waiting to surprise you.

12-03-2005, 01:50 PM	#2
PACE Woooo Woooooooo ! AKA: Jason Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clarkston, MI Age: 43 Posts: 2,514 Vehicle: GRAND AMERICAN	why did you pick a dry system? Get some cooler plugs, 180 degree thermostat and an auto-trans interceptor and you'll be happy.

12-03-2005, 02:25 PM	#4
hova82 GAGT - Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Surrey, BC Age: 38 Posts: 60 Vehicle: 2001 Grand am	Say goodbye to your engine !!!

12-03-2005, 04:32 PM	#5
rap219 GAGT - Member AKA: Rick Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: muskegon, mi Age: 36 Posts: 440 Vehicle: 99 Grand AM SE Coupe	I got a good deal thats why i got the dry kit. I already have the 180 thermostat and NGK plugs. I was told to stay away from the trans interceptor, heard they ruin your clutch packs. And as far as mounting the fogger, before the MAF?? so i don't want to install it in my CAI pipe??? What about removing my MAF screen?? Lastly, As far as blowing my motor, probably not. a 50 shot isn't nothing really. My dad has Nitrous on both of his drag cars and he said I'll have no problem. Its just that he's never installed a system on a fuel injected vehicle.

12-03-2005, 06:18 PM	#8
PACE Woooo Woooooooo ! AKA: Jason Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clarkston, MI Age: 43 Posts: 2,514 Vehicle: GRAND AMERICAN	my trans would not hold the power and shifted like crap until I got the auto trans. I'll bet B will agree. Get the auto trans.

12-03-2005, 06:58 PM	#10
rap219 GAGT - Member AKA: Rick Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: muskegon, mi Age: 36 Posts: 440 Vehicle: 99 Grand AM SE Coupe	I was thinking about going with a dhp pcm and the AFPR. Wouldn't the dhp do the trick as far as programming.

12-03-2005, 07:27 PM	#15
rap219 GAGT - Member AKA: Rick Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: muskegon, mi Age: 36 Posts: 440 Vehicle: 99 Grand AM SE Coupe	Well, If i get ahold of PFYC and tell them i need one for a nos application they could modify a bit i think. If they can't am i better with or without it????

12-03-2005, 07:41 PM	#18
rap219 GAGT - Member AKA: Rick Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: muskegon, mi Age: 36 Posts: 440 Vehicle: 99 Grand AM SE Coupe	okay, what if i were to use this part, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-N...18396414QQrdZ1

12-03-2005, 07:41 PM	#19
customcarsff GRAND (GT) Master AKA: jonathan Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brick, New Jerz Age: 37 Posts: 177 Vehicle: 2000 Grand am GT Coupe	is there anyplace to get it installed proffesionally

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