Current-Day Phoenix Gold.

03-05-2006, 10:28 PM

Hey guys, I've made myself pretty scarce around here as of lately, I've been out doing what any system coveting person should be doing, and that's out listening to as many subs/speakers as I can, and deciding on what sounds best according to my ear and application.

Well, I have come to the conclusion that Kicker CompVR's are really really damn good for the money. Especially for how much they go on the net, and for how much you can score one on a Circuit City employees discount card.

However, I have been looking at othe speakers in the same pricerange just to compare. Including MTX (not satisfied with at all) and Memphis Audio (lower end stuff is sub-par to Kicker, IMO.) Well, I was browsing my Crutchfield yesterday, and saw Phoenix Gold has a line of speakers portraying very similar attributes to that of a CompVR. It got me interested in the brand, and I now am asking for everyone's input regaurding the Octane R series of subs and amps.

I have been able to locate them pretty cheap on the 'net and have heard the PG is one of the top brands to buy from. However, on the flip side, I've also heard that PG has slipped in quality just like a few other brands have (PPI comes to mind.. well, from the mind of the mouth I heard it form anyway,

.)

So, what's the verdict around GAGT???

-ryan-

Graxall · 03-05-2006, 11:05 PM

My verdict is that i dont buy Sh1t ive neve heard of before.

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 09:06 AM

they used to make really kick a*s amps about 8 or so years ago. i havent heard anything from p.g in a while though. so as far a slipping in quality i cant tell you either way there man. so my verdict is, as always, try to listen to the stuff before you buy it.

oh and i am glad to hear you drift away from mtx. good choice IMO.

03-06-2006, 10:14 AM

I'm trying to find a dealer in the area that stocks PG, but am having no luck in doing so. Very frusterating in my mind, I really like the look of the amps/subs in the Octane R Series... Which makes me thing the "cheese factor" is there to pull somebody in based on the looks and jnot the sound... If I can't find a dealer, I may end up actually purchasing an Ocatane R 12" (only about $66) and hooking it up to something (somebody, I have nothing!) and seeing if I like it. I can always turnaround and get my money back, since online retailers prices are much higher than what I can get this new one for. (about $129 from Crutchfield)

-ryan-

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 10:38 AM

yeah that would be a way to find out. come to think of it there is no dealer around here either. i would give you my opinion but i think were in the same boat. just cant find any to listen to.

HiFiCarGuy · 03-06-2006, 10:57 AM

PG is an awesome choice. A buddy of mine had two 15's in his Durango in high school (about 3 years ago) and they were amazing. So loud and clean. The most recent I've heard is a year old octane 12. Very impressive. Nice and clean...not LOUD but loud enough to compliment music. I really like PG amps too. The best for the money IMO. I would recommend a PG system to just about anyone on a budget. Try a 12 for 66 bucks, you can't really go wrong. Mate it to a nice PG 2 channel amp and you could have a nice sounding set-up for ~$200

HiFiCarGuy · 03-06-2006, 10:59 AM

An amp like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-R4-...QQcmdZViewItem

03-06-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiFiCarGuy

PG is an awesome choice. A buddy of mine had two 15's in his Durango in high school (about 3 years ago) and they were amazing. So loud and clean. The most recent I've heard is a year old octane 12. Very impressive. Nice and clean...not LOUD but loud enough to compliment music. I really like PG amps too. The best for the money IMO. I would recommend a PG system to just about anyone on a budget. Try a 12 for 66 bucks, you can't really go wrong. Mate it to a nice PG 2 channel amp and you could have a nice sounding set-up for ~$200

That's cool, I'm not looking that shake my car apart with bass or anything, just enough to be loud but not too loud. I really want a quality sound, however, I realized that some guys have spent countless thousands looking for "good quality" and I don't have the cash or the patience to do that. If possible, seeing as the Octane R 10"s wouldn't cost too much.. maybe 4 in the trunk? I think I would only need about 800-900 watts going to them, and I can do that with 1 or 2 PG amps too. (they also match my blue neons theme I want to use in my trunk!) I'm still looking for a dealer, but am having no luck... Looks like I might be making a blind purchase when the cash comes across my hands.

-ryan-

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 11:38 AM

whos has spent countless thousands?

j/k. with 4 10s you can kiss trunk space goodbye. but it should really sound good. also that might be too loud. guess you wont know until your hear one. good luck to you man, hope you like em.

03-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Well, no decisions being made just yet. Nothing's going to be final until I hear one of these things, which means I'll probably buy one and an accompanying amplifier sufficient enough to give it the 200w rms the subs posess, and drive around for a week with it in the trunk, maybe fold the seats down, and then imagine that with three more back there... Yeah, could get loud, but as long as I'm not shaking in my seat, or my plate doesn't rattle clear off, I'll be happy. Besides, there's usually a way to tune something that sounds 'off' towards what you like. I don't use my trunk much at all at the moment, and losing trunk space is fine by me. There's more than enough room back there, even with the subs back there, I should still be able to haul some groceries around from time to time. ( I still have a back seat! The only thing a sedan is good for! ) I'm making a "shopping list" right now to give myself a final price quote. Again, nothing is final, I still may end up starting the long process of purchasing a full Boston Acoustics system, then again, my friend has hookups at CC and I love the CompVR line of subs too. Argh! It's too hard to chose how to blow the money I have yet to come across!!!

.

-ryan-

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 11:55 AM

yeah boston!

HiFiCarGuy · 03-06-2006, 12:02 PM

4 10's is complete overkill. If you just want some nice bass...one 12 or two 10's off of the amp that I linked to would be plenty loud, and would yield great results! My one JL 12w3 is perfectly enough bass. Loud when I want it, soft when I need it...I believe that one nice 12 for the price of 2 10's is the best way to go.

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 12:04 PM

HiFiCarGuy · 03-06-2006, 12:06 PM

Great minds think a like

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 12:09 PM

by the way spray paint 6x9s will work.

HiFiCarGuy · 03-06-2006, 12:11 PM

You tried it?

03-06-2006, 12:38 PM

Since my last post, I have been looking at PG's consumer install gallery, and been popping back and fourth between the Octane R and ZR sub specs... Who knows, maybe 2 12" ZR's would do. Rms is 100w difference for the R and ZR series, and two 12" ZR's would come in at 100w under 4 10" R's, which would save me a bit of money on an amp. 2 12" ZR's come in at around $230 from www.woofersetc.com and the 4 10" R's come in around $200 from www.techronics.com. (listed under "Phoenix Digital" at techronics?) Which snatches that cash right back!

. I've been after a unique setup lately, first I questioned owning 2 15"s (Kicker Comps) then I decided after riding in a Jetta with 2 Audiobahn 15"s that, well, let's just say "No." I figured 4 10"s would make the ol' GA sort of unique in my area, but now I realize that I really don't care about being unique (again, the second time!!!) so I may end up siding with the ZR 12"s, and save some trunk space, I don't know yet. It seems that the wattage is pretty similiar, and the prices are close to enough to not make a difference. Bah humbug!

-ryan-

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 12:47 PM

man you think too much. just go with it.

Metallman56 · 03-06-2006, 12:55 PM

get a pair of these, you'll love em, and wont look back. low rms, great subs not alot of room. in a word perfect for you!

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS...QQcmdZViewItem

03-06-2006, 12:58 PM

Man, that's been my problem for ages... I think and read way too much into things. I think I'm going to buy from ebay instead, way way way cheaper, and the seller seems very reliable... Final cost findings... ZR12"s $60/each. 800wx1@2 amp $165. I think I'm going to go with the more simple solution and get two 12"s... The cost of a custom box tailored to my idea would cost a little over $300... Yeah, the box cost more than the subs... Not for my second install, no way, no how, lmao!

-ryan-

[EDIT: Yeah, I was looking into G2's awhile back, (doubt you, or anyone remembers) and I was debating if I should rather go with 2 G2's or one G5.. I came to the conclusion that for the price of two G2's and a Boston Amp, I could have the 1 G5 and same amp for less. I figure the G5 being a competition sub would pwn the G2's hands down.]

[EDIT2: Say, you guys think I need a farad cap with less than 1k watts of power? I was thinking to get one just to be safe/efficient.]

03-05-2006, 10:28 PM	#1
hallows-eve Guest Posts: n/a	Current-Day Phoenix Gold. Hey guys, I've made myself pretty scarce around here as of lately, I've been out doing what any system coveting person should be doing, and that's out listening to as many subs/speakers as I can, and deciding on what sounds best according to my ear and application. Well, I have come to the conclusion that Kicker CompVR's are really really damn good for the money. Especially for how much they go on the net, and for how much you can score one on a Circuit City employees discount card. However, I have been looking at othe speakers in the same pricerange just to compare. Including MTX (not satisfied with at all) and Memphis Audio (lower end stuff is sub-par to Kicker, IMO.) Well, I was browsing my Crutchfield yesterday, and saw Phoenix Gold has a line of speakers portraying very similar attributes to that of a CompVR. It got me interested in the brand, and I now am asking for everyone's input regaurding the Octane R series of subs and amps. I have been able to locate them pretty cheap on the 'net and have heard the PG is one of the top brands to buy from. However, on the flip side, I've also heard that PG has slipped in quality just like a few other brands have (PPI comes to mind.. well, from the mind of the mouth I heard it form anyway, .) So, what's the verdict around GAGT??? -ryan-

03-06-2006, 09:06 AM	#3
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	they used to make really kick a*s amps about 8 or so years ago. i havent heard anything from p.g in a while though. so as far a slipping in quality i cant tell you either way there man. so my verdict is, as always, try to listen to the stuff before you buy it. oh and i am glad to hear you drift away from mtx. good choice IMO. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 10:38 AM	#5
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	yeah that would be a way to find out. come to think of it there is no dealer around here either. i would give you my opinion but i think were in the same boat. just cant find any to listen to. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 10:57 AM	#6
HiFiCarGuy VV Summer VV AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clarkston/East Lansing, MI Age: 36 Posts: 760 Vehicle: 06 Scion tC, 78 Pacer	PG is an awesome choice. A buddy of mine had two 15's in his Durango in high school (about 3 years ago) and they were amazing. So loud and clean. The most recent I've heard is a year old octane 12. Very impressive. Nice and clean...not LOUD but loud enough to compliment music. I really like PG amps too. The best for the money IMO. I would recommend a PG system to just about anyone on a budget. Try a 12 for 66 bucks, you can't really go wrong. Mate it to a nice PG 2 channel amp and you could have a nice sounding set-up for ~$200 __________________ Cardomain

03-06-2006, 10:59 AM	#7
HiFiCarGuy VV Summer VV AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clarkston/East Lansing, MI Age: 36 Posts: 760 Vehicle: 06 Scion tC, 78 Pacer	An amp like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-R4-...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ Cardomain

03-06-2006, 10:14 AM	#4
hallows-eve Guest Posts: n/a	I'm trying to find a dealer in the area that stocks PG, but am having no luck in doing so. Very frusterating in my mind, I really like the look of the amps/subs in the Octane R Series... Which makes me thing the "cheese factor" is there to pull somebody in based on the looks and jnot the sound... If I can't find a dealer, I may end up actually purchasing an Ocatane R 12" (only about $66) and hooking it up to something (somebody, I have nothing!) and seeing if I like it. I can always turnaround and get my money back, since online retailers prices are much higher than what I can get this new one for. (about $129 from Crutchfield) -ryan-

03-06-2006, 11:38 AM	#9
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	whos has spent countless thousands? j/k. with 4 10s you can kiss trunk space goodbye. but it should really sound good. also that might be too loud. guess you wont know until your hear one. good luck to you man, hope you like em. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 11:46 AM	#10
hallows-eve Guest Posts: n/a	Well, no decisions being made just yet. Nothing's going to be final until I hear one of these things, which means I'll probably buy one and an accompanying amplifier sufficient enough to give it the 200w rms the subs posess, and drive around for a week with it in the trunk, maybe fold the seats down, and then imagine that with three more back there... Yeah, could get loud, but as long as I'm not shaking in my seat, or my plate doesn't rattle clear off, I'll be happy. Besides, there's usually a way to tune something that sounds 'off' towards what you like. I don't use my trunk much at all at the moment, and losing trunk space is fine by me. There's more than enough room back there, even with the subs back there, I *should* still be able to haul some groceries around from time to time. ( I still have a back seat! The only thing a sedan is good for! ) I'm making a "shopping list" right now to give myself a final price quote. Again, nothing is final, I still may end up starting the long process of purchasing a full Boston Acoustics system, then again, my friend has hookups at CC and I love the CompVR line of subs too. Argh! It's too hard to chose how to blow the money I have yet to come across!!! . -ryan-

03-06-2006, 11:55 AM	#11
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	yeah boston! __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 12:02 PM	#12
HiFiCarGuy VV Summer VV AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clarkston/East Lansing, MI Age: 36 Posts: 760 Vehicle: 06 Scion tC, 78 Pacer	4 10's is complete overkill. If you just want some nice bass...one 12 or two 10's off of the amp that I linked to would be plenty loud, and would yield great results! My one JL 12w3 is perfectly enough bass. Loud when I want it, soft when I need it...I believe that one nice 12 for the price of 2 10's is the best way to go. __________________ Cardomain

03-06-2006, 12:04 PM	#13
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	__________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 12:06 PM	#14
HiFiCarGuy VV Summer VV AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clarkston/East Lansing, MI Age: 36 Posts: 760 Vehicle: 06 Scion tC, 78 Pacer	Great minds think a like __________________ Cardomain

03-06-2006, 12:09 PM	#15
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	by the way spray paint 6x9s will work. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 12:11 PM	#16
HiFiCarGuy VV Summer VV AKA: Chris Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clarkston/East Lansing, MI Age: 36 Posts: 760 Vehicle: 06 Scion tC, 78 Pacer	You tried it? __________________ Cardomain

03-06-2006, 12:38 PM	#17
hallows-eve Guest Posts: n/a	Since my last post, I have been looking at PG's consumer install gallery, and been popping back and fourth between the Octane R and ZR sub specs... Who knows, maybe 2 12" ZR's would do. Rms is 100w difference for the R and ZR series, and two 12" ZR's would come in at 100w under 4 10" R's, which would save me a bit of money on an amp. 2 12" ZR's come in at around $230 from www.woofersetc.com and the 4 10" R's come in around $200 from www.techronics.com. (listed under "Phoenix Digital" at techronics?) Which snatches that cash right back! . I've been after a unique setup lately, first I questioned owning 2 15"s (Kicker Comps) then I decided after riding in a Jetta with 2 Audiobahn 15"s that, well, let's just say "No." I figured 4 10"s would make the ol' GA sort of unique in my area, but now I realize that I really don't care about being unique (again, the second time!!!) so I may end up siding with the ZR 12"s, and save some trunk space, I don't know yet. It seems that the wattage is pretty similiar, and the prices are close to enough to not make a difference. Bah humbug! -ryan-

03-06-2006, 12:47 PM	#18
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	man you think too much. just go with it. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 12:55 PM	#19
Metallman56 Bears Fan AKA: Metall Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indiana Age: 36 Posts: 3,856 Vehicle: 2001 grand am gt coupe	get a pair of these, you'll love em, and wont look back. low rms, great subs not alot of room. in a word perfect for you! http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/209706...am?action=demo So you proved your point about the camaro - condense your sig. - Your friendly Administration

03-06-2006, 12:58 PM	#20
hallows-eve Guest Posts: n/a	Man, that's been my problem for ages... I think and read way too much into things. I think I'm going to buy from ebay instead, way way way cheaper, and the seller seems very reliable... Final cost findings... ZR12"s $60/each. 800wx1@2 amp $165. I think I'm going to go with the more simple solution and get two 12"s... The cost of a custom box tailored to my idea would cost a little over $300... Yeah, the box cost more than the subs... Not for my second install, no way, no how, lmao! -ryan- [EDIT: Yeah, I was looking into G2's awhile back, (doubt you, or anyone remembers) and I was debating if I should rather go with 2 G2's or one G5.. I came to the conclusion that for the price of two G2's and a Boston Amp, I could have the 1 G5 and same amp for less. I figure the G5 being a competition sub would pwn the G2's hands down.] [EDIT2: Say, you guys think I need a farad cap with less than 1k watts of power? I was thinking to get one just to be safe/efficient.] Last edited by hallows-eve; 03-06-2006 at 01:05 PM.

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