LIM Class-Action Lawsuit in Canada for $1.2-Billion Cdn

Mike Jung · 04-25-2006, 11:21 AM

from: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...&refer=canada#

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GM Sued in Canada, Accused of Using Defective Engine Gaskets

April 25 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., the world's biggest carmaker, was sued in Canada for producing vehicles from 1995 to 2003 with an allegedly defective part that caused engines to overheat and seize.

The lawsuit may include as many as 400,000 GM car owners in Canada, and with each owner claiming Cdn$3,000 ($2,647US) in damages, the claims may total Cdn$1.2 billion, Colin Stevenson, partner at Toronto-based Stevensons LLP, said in a statement today. The suit was filed in Ontario Superior Court in Toronto.

GM used nylon or other plastics in a gasket that seals the cylinder head and engine block to the intake manifold, a part that channels an air-fuel mixture to the engine, the claim said. The seal degrades prematurely, causing coolant to leak into the engine, according to the claim against Detroit-based GM.

"In some cases the engines overheat and seize completely,'' Stevenson said in the statement. "The vehicles often need complete engine replacements at considerable expense to the owners.''

GM introduced a new gasket in 2004, Stevenson said. The company refuses to acknowledge that the earlier product was defective, he said.

Becki Akers, a GM spokeswoman, said she needed to speak with the company's lawyers before commenting on the suit.

The plaintiffs' lawyers, who also include Kirk Baert of Koskie Minsky, are seeking class-action status on behalf of car owners across Canada. Baert was in court today and unavailable for comment, his secretary said. Stevenson didn't immediately respond to a request for comment left on his voice mail.

The suit cites 23 General Motors models as having the defective gasket, including the Buick Park Avenue, which was manufactured from 1995 to 1998 and from 2000 to 2003; the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, made from 1998 to 2003; and the Oldsmobile Alero, produced from 1999 to 2003.

The gaskets also are the subject of an Internet-based recall petition by GM customers and technicians who service GM vehicles.

Shares of GM rose 18 cents to $21.63 at 12:30 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.

pyro · 04-25-2006, 11:47 AM

what about us?

Mike Jung · 04-25-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pyro

what about us?

There is already a pending class-action lawsuit in the US.

(No news about it lately.)

pyro · 04-25-2006, 12:04 PM

thats what i meant. LOL no updates.

Tank · 04-25-2006, 12:40 PM

For real, that ish took about a day and cost me about $150.00. I needs my duckits back.

BigTaters · 04-26-2006, 12:05 AM

im gunna call that complain # they have and bitch and see if i take it in if they will pay for the labour (which is the expensive part) since i can get the gaskets for 75 bucks or so.. i dont feel like paying 300-400 bucks in labour

Cormaster · 05-22-2006, 02:40 AM

hopefully after GM looses these suits (and most likely they will... do big corporations ever stand a chance?) they'll offer a recall on the gasket.

My LIM gasket is fine right now, but I'd really rather get it replaced before it goes bad. Hell as of now the car's undrivable... which reminds me, spekaing of defective parts, apparently they installed a defective steering rack on my car at the factory because it just snapped on the way to work last monday. How the F*ck does that happen anyway? Anyway I figure after I finally get that repaired (driven my parents old mini-van in the meantime) I'll look into getting that gasket replaced so I never have to go without my car for a long time!

AMRAAM4 · 05-22-2006, 06:05 AM

Hate to inform everyone, but class-action lawsuits are pointless. They do nothing but benefit the LAWYERS who try the case. If my memory serves me correct, there has NEVER been a class-action lawsuit that has provided any real monetary benefit for the actual parties.

Tank · 05-22-2006, 06:30 AM

Gm sent me a letter a week ago saying they recalled the LIM gasket on my car and to take it to the dealearship to get it replaced. But since I had it replaced like a year 1/2 ago they said if I can come up with the recipts they will pay me back. So we will see what happens in a few weeks.

caraudiodave · 05-22-2006, 09:06 AM

i called the lawyers involved in teh class action suit in the US and they never got back to me. they didnt list the GM thing on their website either.

they wont have a recall if they loose this suit. it will already cost them so much money, its not worth it.

all this class action suit will do is hurt GM for making a huge mistake...i support it.

Panacea · 05-22-2006, 05:31 PM

So it's not the Dex-Cool?

Cormaster · 05-23-2006, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AMRAAM4

Hate to inform everyone, but class-action lawsuits are pointless. They do nothing but benefit the LAWYERS who try the case. If my memory serves me correct, there has NEVER been a class-action lawsuit that has provided any real monetary benefit for the actual parties.

thats true, typically everyone gets $10 or something. But if GM has to keep payin out money hopefully it'll force a recall.

Ajaxus · 05-23-2006, 12:47 PM

How stupid can you ****ing get?

Recalls are ONLY for problems in the vehicle that can result in injury or death to the passengers or others. The LIM leak CAN NOT do this and has not.

Seriously, how many times do I have to explain this?

Slim · 05-23-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajaxus

Seriously, how many times do I have to explain this?

423,276,753,015,912. Then everyone will understand.

Tank · 05-23-2006, 02:13 PM

I used the wrong word with recall , on the letter it clearly states that it is no a recall. Didnt think it was that big a deal on the wrong word usage. On a side note they sent me a letter yesterday on the clicking turn signal.

SikMindz · 05-23-2006, 02:18 PM

So is this a recall?

Ajaxus · 05-23-2006, 03:07 PM

Well I think on gaoc I've explained it in literally every other post in the same thread. So I'll explain it, then a dumb comment about recalls and the LIM, then another explanation, then another dumb recall comment, etc etc etc. So atleast the general community here is far and beyond the one over there in this respect. Congrats guys.

Oh and sik, you're a doofus.

lone_wolf025 · 05-23-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajaxus

Oh and sik, you're a doofus.

You act as if its not common knowledge

Ajaxus · 05-23-2006, 04:16 PM

few people have the balls to verbalize his doofishness so i felt i had to do it for them.

Cormaster · 05-23-2006, 04:26 PM

ok then not a recall, but the same type of deal with the turn signals, where if its defective you can get it replaced, otherwise they charge you $40 bucks for looking at it.

I'm not sure what its called, its not called recall, but it pretty much is a recall. After all you can't die from defective turn signals.

But i beg to differ with the lIM gasket. Say all your coolant drains out on the interstate and your engine gets so hot it causes the car to explode! hey I know its far fetched, but it could happen....maybe....ok probably not. But I'm sure you can die somehow from it.

04-25-2006, 12:40 PM	#5
Tank GAGT - Member AKA: TANK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 471 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE1	For real, that ish took about a day and cost me about $150.00. I needs my duckits back. __________________ Original member of the SE Crew #003 up up down down left right left right b a select start, you better ask somebody.

04-26-2006, 12:05 AM	#6
BigTaters Local Pimp AKA: Derek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Regina, SK Age: 44 Posts: 602 Vehicle: 2000 G.A. GT	im gunna call that complain # they have and bitch and see if i take it in if they will pay for the labour (which is the expensive part) since i can get the gaskets for 75 bucks or so.. i dont feel like paying 300-400 bucks in labour __________________ Mustangs are for useless fat girls.

05-22-2006, 02:40 AM	#7
Cormaster 'core' - master AKA: Cory Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,092 Vehicle: '04 Cavie, '04 Lancer	hopefully after GM looses these suits (and most likely they will... do big corporations ever stand a chance?) they'll offer a recall on the gasket. My LIM gasket is fine right now, but I'd really rather get it replaced before it goes bad. Hell as of now the car's undrivable... which reminds me, spekaing of defective parts, apparently they installed a defective steering rack on my car at the factory because it just snapped on the way to work last monday. How the F*ck does that happen anyway? Anyway I figure after I finally get that repaired (driven my parents old mini-van in the meantime) I'll look into getting that gasket replaced so I never have to go without my car for a long time! __________________ Check out my ride! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2566913

05-22-2006, 06:05 AM	#8
AMRAAM4 Wiley 'Ol Veteran AKA: Bob (aka Hoss) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Azerbaijan Age: 45 Posts: 6,935 Vehicle: See My Signature Block	Hate to inform everyone, but class-action lawsuits are pointless. They do nothing but benefit the LAWYERS who try the case. If my memory serves me correct, there has NEVER been a class-action lawsuit that has provided any real monetary benefit for the actual parties. __________________ 2016 GoMango Challenger SRT Hellcat 2014 Redline Pearl Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 2018 Bruiser Grey Dodge Durango SRT TRADED-2004 Black Grand Am GT,2004 Impulse Blue GTO M6, 2012 Mineral Gray Jeep SRT8, 2010 Bright Silver Jeep SRT8 LEASE TURN-IN-2006 Summit White TrailBlazer SS AWD (Vector CAI & tune) SOLD-2000 Silvermist Grand Am GT Supercharged,1994 Daytona Blue Single Turbo RX7 (427whp/330wtq), 2006 Spice Red GTO A4, 2013 Grabber Blue Shelby GT500

05-22-2006, 06:30 AM	#9
Tank GAGT - Member AKA: TANK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 471 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE1	Gm sent me a letter a week ago saying they recalled the LIM gasket on my car and to take it to the dealearship to get it replaced. But since I had it replaced like a year 1/2 ago they said if I can come up with the recipts they will pay me back. So we will see what happens in a few weeks. __________________ Original member of the SE Crew #003 up up down down left right left right b a select start, you better ask somebody. Last edited by Tank; 05-22-2006 at 10:42 AM.

04-25-2006, 11:47 AM	#2
pyro mAUDIrator AKA: Jeremy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Age: 34 Posts: 3,837 Vehicle: '05 A4 1.8T	what about us?

04-25-2006, 12:04 PM	#4
pyro mAUDIrator AKA: Jeremy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Age: 34 Posts: 3,837 Vehicle: '05 A4 1.8T	thats what i meant. LOL no updates.

05-22-2006, 09:06 AM	#10
caraudiodave Boring old man AKA: Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wood ranch, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,172 Vehicle: '13 Camry hybrid	i called the lawyers involved in teh class action suit in the US and they never got back to me. they didnt list the GM thing on their website either. they wont have a recall if they loose this suit. it will already cost them so much money, its not worth it. all this class action suit will do is hurt GM for making a huge mistake...i support it. __________________ 2013 Toyota Camry hybrid: Pioneer AVIC-8000NEX, Phoenix Gold ZPA0.3 (300 x 2), Phoenix Gold ZPA0.3 (300 x 2), Phoenix Gold ZPA0.5 (1000 x 1), Dynaudio MD100 (1" tweeters), Dynaudio MW160 (6.5" mids), Eclipse SW8812 (12" aluminum cone subwoofer)

05-22-2006, 05:31 PM	#11
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	So it's not the Dex-Cool? __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

05-23-2006, 02:13 PM	#15
Tank GAGT - Member AKA: TANK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 471 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE1	I used the wrong word with recall , on the letter it clearly states that it is no a recall. Didnt think it was that big a deal on the wrong word usage. On a side note they sent me a letter yesterday on the clicking turn signal. __________________ Original member of the SE Crew #003 up up down down left right left right b a select start, you better ask somebody. Last edited by Tank; 05-23-2006 at 03:37 PM.

05-23-2006, 04:26 PM	#20
Cormaster 'core' - master AKA: Cory Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 41 Posts: 1,092 Vehicle: '04 Cavie, '04 Lancer	ok then not a recall, but the same type of deal with the turn signals, where if its defective you can get it replaced, otherwise they charge you $40 bucks for looking at it. I'm not sure what its called, its not called recall, but it pretty much is a recall. After all you can't die from defective turn signals. But i beg to differ with the lIM gasket. Say all your coolant drains out on the interstate and your engine gets so hot it causes the car to explode! hey I know its far fetched, but it could happen....maybe....ok probably not. But I'm sure you can die somehow from it. __________________ Check out my ride! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2566913 Last edited by Cormaster; 05-23-2006 at 04:32 PM.

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