GI: 3500 Top End

MilzyZ34 · 07-30-2006, 12:53 AM

I bought a few 3500's earlier this year for research, and have a topend set that I no longer need.

This particular set is off of a 2005 malibu w/ 7k miles. This includes both heads, LIM, UIM, and a dbw throttle body. If you need gaskets, I can pick some of those up too. I'm thinking $500 plus shipping takes all, if you want to buy something a la carte, PM offers.

MilzyZ34 · 07-30-2006, 12:35 PM

By the way, I'll also include an intake gasket set for that price, forgot to mention.

MilzyZ34 · 10-08-2006, 09:04 PM

still for sale

poika · 11-23-2006, 02:49 PM

Still for sale?

MilzyZ34 · 11-24-2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by poika

Still for sale?

yes

poika · 11-26-2006, 11:03 AM

how much to ship to P3P 1H1 in ontario canada?

MilzyZ34 · 11-26-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by poika

how much to ship to P3P 1H1 in ontario canada?

roughly $130-140 for airmail parcel post

El_Diablo · 12-14-2006, 02:10 PM

still up? might be interested after christmas... depends on how much i have left

notsoaveragej0e · 12-14-2006, 02:16 PM

I think Loboman was looking to do a top end swap... he's on here a lot, I assume he'll see this if you keep it near the top.

MilzyZ34 · 12-15-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Diablo

still up? might be interested after christmas... depends on how much i have left

I still have it. I'm pretty surprised it hasn't sold by now.

SE'sarecool2 · 12-17-2006, 05:00 PM

Might be interested also; how much without the DBW TB?(I have the 65mm one from 60*V-6)

MilzyZ34 · 12-18-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SE'sarecool2

Might be interested also; how much without the DBW TB?(I have the 65mm one from 60*V-6)

I'm thinking like $25 less, just b/c it's something i'm not really interested in either.

HybridZ24 · 12-19-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MilzyZ34

I still have it. I'm pretty surprised it hasn't sold by now.

thats because entire 3500's go for that much

MilzyZ34 · 12-20-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HybridZ24

thats because entire 3500's go for that much

when I originally posted this item, there was another topend selling for even slightly more.

O1GAGT · 12-20-2006, 11:41 PM

The problem is, yes you can get a 3500 for $500. However to use the engine you have to modify deal with the crank sensor issues and then the A/C mounts are different, ect. I have yet to hear of anyone swapping over a complete 3500 engine into their grand am.

Also not everone has an engine crane or a truck to go pick up one of these engines and if they do, not everyone wants to deal with getting rid of a heavy engine block.

On Car-Part.com a set of cylinder heads will set you back $250 - $300 + shipping
and $75 for a Lower and $75 for an upper, for a total of $400 - $450. Then factor in most places won't include rocker arms and sensors.

$500 with intake gaskets is a fair price if it includes the rocker arms and Map sensor, especially if Milzy has them cleaned and ready to install.

03SilverBullet · 01-02-2007, 02:01 PM

So this would be all the stuff I'd need to do a top end swap right? Should I use the LIM and UIM or use the LIM and keep my UIM?

MilzyZ34 · 01-09-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 03SilverBullet

So this would be all the stuff I'd need to do a top end swap right? Should I use the LIM and UIM or use the LIM and keep my UIM?

The 3500 upper supposedly flows better, but you'll need some kind of adapter plate to use a 3400 throttle body on it.

Vegeta · 01-09-2007, 06:52 PM

http://60degreev6.com/showthread.php?t=24984

Compare number 3 to number 4. 3 is the stock 3400 head with 3400 lower and 3400 upper. 4 is stock 3400 head with 3400 lower and 3500 upper.

Porting the 3500 plenum however beats porting a 3400 upper.

ihatemygrandamg · 01-09-2007, 07:14 PM

Yea and isnt the 3500 tb opening already 65mm???

If you have a 65mm tb you wont have to pay extra to have the tb side matched like I did; Ben you cheap bastard....jk

Vegeta · 01-09-2007, 07:19 PM

The 3500 upper has a 66mm opening I think. Stock uses a 65mm TB. Using a 56mm TB on there would be a shame honestly.

07-30-2006, 12:53 AM	#1
MilzyZ34 Fastest FWD GA AKA: Mike Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Age: 41 Posts: 964 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT	GI: 3500 Top End I bought a few 3500's earlier this year for research, and have a topend set that I no longer need. This particular set is off of a 2005 malibu w/ 7k miles. This includes both heads, LIM, UIM, and a dbw throttle body. If you need gaskets, I can pick some of those up too. I'm thinking $500 plus shipping takes all, if you want to buy something a la carte, PM offers. __________________ 1999 Z34 - Was a Stage 3 3800 Supercharged, but not fast enough so I have some new plans for her. 1999 Grand Am GT Race Car - 12.1 sec ET, STOCK motor, 10 psi http://www.milzymotorsports.com

07-30-2006, 12:35 PM	#2
MilzyZ34 Fastest FWD GA AKA: Mike Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Age: 41 Posts: 964 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT	By the way, I'll also include an intake gasket set for that price, forgot to mention. __________________ 1999 Z34 - Was a Stage 3 3800 Supercharged, but not fast enough so I have some new plans for her. 1999 Grand Am GT Race Car - 12.1 sec ET, STOCK motor, 10 psi http://www.milzymotorsports.com

10-08-2006, 09:04 PM	#3
MilzyZ34 Fastest FWD GA AKA: Mike Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dayton, OH Age: 41 Posts: 964 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT	still for sale __________________ 1999 Z34 - Was a Stage 3 3800 Supercharged, but not fast enough so I have some new plans for her. 1999 Grand Am GT Race Car - 12.1 sec ET, STOCK motor, 10 psi http://www.milzymotorsports.com

12-14-2006, 02:16 PM	#9
notsoaveragej0e Causes a ruckus AKA: Joe Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Detroit, MI Age: 34 Posts: 5,011 Vehicle: Maligoat	I think Loboman was looking to do a top end swap... he's on here a lot, I assume he'll see this if you keep it near the top. __________________

12-17-2006, 05:00 PM	#11
SE'sarecool2 Gearhead for life AKA: Joe Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wilminton,DE Age: 48 Posts: 188 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am SE/GT	Might be interested also; how much without the DBW TB?(I have the 65mm one from 60*V-6) __________________ "A spirit with a vision is a dream... with a mission" -RUSH

11-23-2006, 02:49 PM	#4
poika R&W Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sudbury Ontario Age: 36 Posts: 51 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Coupe	Still for sale?

11-26-2006, 11:03 AM	#6
poika R&W Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sudbury Ontario Age: 36 Posts: 51 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am GT Coupe	how much to ship to P3P 1H1 in ontario canada?

12-14-2006, 02:10 PM	#8
El_Diablo Racin the bu'! AKA: John Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oakmont (Pittsburgh), PA Age: 33 Posts: 325 Vehicle: 1998 Malibu LS	still up? might be interested after christmas... depends on how much i have left

12-20-2006, 11:41 PM	#15
O1GAGT GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Phil Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 37 Posts: 1,107 Vehicle: 2001 Grand Am GT Coupe	The problem is, yes you can get a 3500 for $500. However to use the engine you have to modify deal with the crank sensor issues and then the A/C mounts are different, ect. I have yet to hear of anyone swapping over a complete 3500 engine into their grand am. Also not everone has an engine crane or a truck to go pick up one of these engines and if they do, not everyone wants to deal with getting rid of a heavy engine block. On Car-Part.com a set of cylinder heads will set you back $250 - $300 + shipping and $75 for a Lower and $75 for an upper, for a total of $400 - $450. Then factor in most places won't include rocker arms and sensors. $500 with intake gaskets is a fair price if it includes the rocker arms and Map sensor, especially if Milzy has them cleaned and ready to install. __________________ "The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power." ~John Lingenfelter

01-02-2007, 02:01 PM	#16
03SilverBullet GAGT - Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cattaraugus, NY Posts: 89 Vehicle: 03 Grand Am SE2 Sedan	So this would be all the stuff I'd need to do a top end swap right? Should I use the LIM and UIM or use the LIM and keep my UIM? Last edited by 03SilverBullet; 01-02-2007 at 02:03 PM.

01-09-2007, 06:52 PM	#18
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	http://60degreev6.com/showthread.php?t=24984 Compare number 3 to number 4. 3 is the stock 3400 head with 3400 lower and 3400 upper. 4 is stock 3400 head with 3400 lower and 3500 upper. Porting the 3500 plenum however beats porting a 3400 upper. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

01-09-2007, 07:14 PM	#19
ihatemygrandamg I hate cars AKA: Mike Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Joppa, MD Age: 32 Posts: 569 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am Gt coupe	Yea and isnt the 3500 tb opening already 65mm??? If you have a 65mm tb you wont have to pay extra to have the tb side matched like I did; Ben you cheap bastard....jk __________________ Bye bye grand am

01-09-2007, 07:19 PM	#20
Vegeta WOT-Tech AKA: Ben Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indiana Age: 42 Posts: 1,089 Vehicle: 1999 Alero	The 3500 upper has a 66mm opening I think. Stock uses a 65mm TB. Using a 56mm TB on there would be a shame honestly. __________________ Ben Wide Open Throttle Technologies 60DegreeV6.com

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