3.5L and new body in 05 GA???

fast_ga · 01-13-2003, 05:05 PM

I read a small article on a GM V-6 site recently saying that GM is designing a 3.5L V-6 for the 05 GA. According to the article it is a OHV none the less, pretty similar to the current 3.4, but will make about 200HP. I guess in 2005 the Grand Am will be built on the Epsilon platform, similar to the 03 Saab 9-3 and Opel Vectra..... For more info i saw the article at http://www.60degreev6.com

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-13-2003, 05:41 PM

Actually, all it says is that the 3500 will be for the 2004 Malibu and it mentions that the 2005 Grand Am will be on the same platform (Epsilon), which doesn't indicate anything about the engine in the 2005 GA for sure, although I could imagine a 3500 in there easily. Unfortunately, that would be much lower than most people wanted from GM, so maybe they're going to separate it from the Malibu with much more power and perhaps a different powerplant altogether. Still too early to tell I think. Remember though that the Saab 9-3 is also on the same platform and it doesn't even touch a pushrod v6 (I-4 Turbos 175 & 210 hp options w/ a possible Viggen model for the future w/ way more power), so platform doesn't indicate much about the engine.

Spoon · 01-13-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Actually, all it says is that the 3500 will be for the 2004 Malibu and it mentions that the 2005 Grand Am will be on the same platform (Epsilon), which doesn't indicate anything about the engine in the 2005 GA for sure, although I could imagine a 3500 in there easily. Unfortunately, that would be much lower than most people wanted from GM, so maybe they're going to separate it from the Malibu with much more power and perhaps a different powerplant altogether. Still too early to tell I think. Remember though that the Saab 9-3 is also on the same platform and it doesn't even touch a pushrod v6 (I-4 Turbos 175 & 210 hp options w/ a possible Viggen model for the future w/ way more power), so platform doesn't indicate much about the engine.

Well, it is always funny to hear the speculation. Let's just say the 3.5 LX9 will get spread around.

waffler · 01-13-2003, 08:49 PM

i thought it was going to have the new 3.6L v6

Spoon · 01-14-2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by waffler
i thought it was going to have the new 3.6L v6

Nope.

Sternie · 01-14-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Spoon
Nope.

Is the '06 Grand Am (the one you have hinted as going to be the "new GT") going to be using this engine also? If so/not, do you have a possible HP rating?

GTspeed · 01-14-2003, 09:56 PM

I read an article in my Road and Track about the Pontiac G6 concept. It is built off the Epsilon platform. It also said the G6 is the forerunner for the next generation Grand Am. The G6 is equipped with a transverse-mounted supercharged 3.5 V-6, rated at 285 hp and 272 lb.-ft. of torque, with a 4-speed automatic with sequential, paddle-type shift controls mounted to the steering wheel.

Kitt · 01-14-2003, 10:47 PM

only turn offf..... paddle shift

Mike3800 · 01-15-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Spoon
Well, it is always funny to hear the speculation. Let's just say the 3.5 LX9 will get spread around.

is it really only 200HP?

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-15-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mike3800

is it really only 200HP?

I have to admit that it is quite disappointing. They need a supercharger to get the less power than the N/A 350Z of the same displacement. On the plus side, it might mean the engine should be ready for nice boost in stock form and the torque curve is prolly nicer than the 350Z

01-15-2003, 08:24 PM

What is paddle shifting, isn't the nex gen GA supposed to be a 5-speed auto and 6-speed manual. 3.5 sounds right, more than likely SC, should be turboed if anything, and is it going to be awd (I highly doubt it).

Spoon · 01-16-2003, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Mike3800

is it really only 200HP?

Really!

Spoon · 01-16-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R

I have to admit that it is quite disappointing. They need a supercharger to get the less power than the N/A 350Z of the same displacement. On the plus side, it might mean the engine should be ready for nice boost in stock form and the torque curve is prolly nicer than the 350Z

What part is disappointing? This is the base V6 so what are trying to say?

Mike3800 · 01-16-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Spoon
What part is disappointing? This is the base V6 so what are trying to say?

Base is 200HP? Good deal!!!

I can't see anything dissapointing about a supercharger, except for the fact that I don't have one.

Screw the Z (Nissan) I'd rather have a supercharger with the same HP as a normally aspirated engine for modification reasons and efficiency. I think supercharging is better than DOHC etc.... and it's not "cheating" because anyone can make one and put it on an engine and it doesn't "need" one to have the same HP as a Nissan, it is a design choice, a damn good one if you ask me!!!

Vintalage · 01-16-2003, 09:09 AM

3.5 LX9, is this the same engine that was used in the intrigue? That engine was great.

01-16-2003, 09:16 AM

thanks vint, i was wondering that...

and i read the 3.6 was goin the 04 or something Grand Prix.

Spoon · 01-16-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Vintalage
3.5 LX9, is this the same engine that was used in the intrigue? That engine was great.

No your confusing a 5 for a 9.

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-16-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Spoon
What part is disappointing? This is the base V6 so what are trying to say?

Just seemed like people kept saying everywhere they expected like 230 N/A hp out of a pushrod and more out of DOHC, but I guess 200 is pretty nice.

01-16-2003, 07:32 PM

i remember reading somewhere that for the next gen GA there would be a 180hp eco 2.2, 210-230 (cant remember) 3.5 ohv, and a 270 2.8 turbo. the transmissions would be a 4 or 5 speed auto (cant remember again...damn this A.D.D) or a 6 spd manual with the turbo, then awd with the top model as an option. any truth to these things???

VTECSiGAH8R · 01-16-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by rodd62
i remember reading somewhere that for the next gen GA there would be a 180hp eco 2.2, 210-230 (cant remember) 3.5 ohv, and a 270 2.8 turbo. the transmissions would be a 4 or 5 speed auto (cant remember again...damn this A.D.D) or a 6 spd manual with the turbo, then awd with the top model as an option. any truth to these things???

There have been so many rumors going around, and what you said were some of em, and they are most likely all false. Unless the ohv gets bumped up to 21-230 hp for the GA, everything else ther is most likely false. I doubt an ecotec will produce 180 hp unless it has some sort of VVT, and a 2.8 turbo is almost laughable. I seriously doubt that one. The AWD thing will also be a bust IMO. Too much extra weight and expense.

The auto might be 5 speed (since all the imports and even Ford are already at 5 speed autos and auto magazines keep harping at GM about that). But it might also be the 6 speed auto (eventually) that Ford and GM are codeveloping. I think a 5 speed or even 6 speed stick is a good possibility tho. Maybe like a 5 speed manual for the 4 banger and base v6, and a 6 speed manual availible for the 3.5 S/C (which is a likely engine I think). The auto tranny would prolly be availible for all and pimped for most.

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fast_ga PRO WRENCH TURNER AKA: Tom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Madison, OH Age: 42 Posts: 277 Vehicle: 02 GA GT Artic White	3.5L and new body in 05 GA??? I read a small article on a GM V-6 site recently saying that GM is designing a 3.5L V-6 for the 05 GA. According to the article it is a OHV none the less, pretty similar to the current 3.4, but will make about 200HP. I guess in 2005 the Grand Am will be built on the Epsilon platform, similar to the 03 Saab 9-3 and Opel Vectra..... For more info i saw the article at http://www.60degreev6.com __________________ TOM M ASE/GM CERTIFIED TECH TOM'S N-BODY REGISTRY MORE PICS OF MY RIDE

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01-13-2003, 05:41 PM	#2
VTECSiGAH8R GAGT - Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Miami, FL Age: 36 Posts: 1,346 Vehicle: 97 Honda Civic DX	Actually, all it says is that the 3500 will be for the 2004 Malibu and it mentions that the 2005 Grand Am will be on the same platform (Epsilon), which doesn't indicate anything about the engine in the 2005 GA for sure, although I could imagine a 3500 in there easily. Unfortunately, that would be much lower than most people wanted from GM, so maybe they're going to separate it from the Malibu with much more power and perhaps a different powerplant altogether. Still too early to tell I think. Remember though that the Saab 9-3 is also on the same platform and it doesn't even touch a pushrod v6 (I-4 Turbos 175 & 210 hp options w/ a possible Viggen model for the future w/ way more power), so platform doesn't indicate much about the engine.

01-13-2003, 08:49 PM	#4
waffler Winnipeg Grand Ams WHAT!! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: winnipeg, manitoba canada Age: 38 Posts: 195 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	i thought it was going to have the new 3.6L v6

01-14-2003, 09:56 PM	#7
GTspeed GAGT - Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slidell, la Age: 39 Posts: 283 Vehicle: 2001 Regal GS	I read an article in my Road and Track about the Pontiac G6 concept. It is built off the Epsilon platform. It also said the G6 is the forerunner for the next generation Grand Am. The G6 is equipped with a transverse-mounted supercharged 3.5 V-6, rated at 285 hp and 272 lb.-ft. of torque, with a 4-speed automatic with sequential, paddle-type shift controls mounted to the steering wheel.

01-14-2003, 10:47 PM	#8
Kitt $11k Accident Club AKA: Michael Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 366 Vehicle: '00 GT & '05 GTO	only turn offf..... paddle shift

01-15-2003, 08:24 PM	#11
Macleod52 Guest Posts: n/a	What is paddle shifting, isn't the nex gen GA supposed to be a 5-speed auto and 6-speed manual. 3.5 sounds right, more than likely SC, should be turboed if anything, and is it going to be awd (I highly doubt it).

01-16-2003, 09:09 AM	#15
Vintalage Hey paisanos! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 38 Posts: 5,490 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT1	3.5 LX9, is this the same engine that was used in the intrigue? That engine was great.

01-16-2003, 09:16 AM	#16
rodd62 Guest Posts: n/a	thanks vint, i was wondering that... and i read the 3.6 was goin the 04 or something Grand Prix.

01-16-2003, 07:32 PM	#19
rodd62 Guest Posts: n/a	i remember reading somewhere that for the next gen GA there would be a 180hp eco 2.2, 210-230 (cant remember) 3.5 ohv, and a 270 2.8 turbo. the transmissions would be a 4 or 5 speed auto (cant remember again...damn this A.D.D) or a 6 spd manual with the turbo, then awd with the top model as an option. any truth to these things???