Pacesetter exhaust?

[Pitter98]

Originally Posted by jackal2000

kind of OT but this is an exhaust thread...anyone ever route a custom exhaust UNDER the rear axle?

I saw a late 90's Lumina the other day with an aftermarket exhaust that went under the rear axle.....I about laughed my @$$ off cuz it looked like crap. The funny thing was we had stopped at a light and he thought he was cool by chirping his tires and taking off fast after pulling up next to a 90's GA with a fart can muffler on it.

If you gonna spend the money on it, do it right and go over the rear axle....it looks like crap under the axle because you can see all the piping when you get behind the car (plus after a couple years when it gets rusty it's even worse). Also, if you want to lower your car you risk the chance of screwing up your piping by hitting bumps because it's so close to the ground that way. Just my 2 cents on it....but a decent muffler shop can go over the axle and do it right.

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by Pitter98

If you gonna spend the money on it, do it right and go over the rear axle....it looks like crap under the axle because you can see all the piping when you get behind the car (plus after a couple years when it gets rusty it's even worse). Also, if you want to lower your car you risk the chance of screwing up your piping by hitting bumps because it's so close to the ground that way. Just my 2 cents on it....but a decent muffler shop can go over the axle and do it right.

i guess i wasnt clear and i apologize for that. from a PERFORMANCE stand point would make it a difference? does the bend over the axle hurt flow in any way? i dont think a stainless steel pipe under the axle would look bad.

i already have a custom exhaust on my car that goes over the axle, obviously.

[pyro]

Originally Posted by jackal2000

i guess i wasnt clear and i apologize for that. from a PERFORMANCE stand point would make it a difference? does the bend over the axle hurt flow in any way? i dont think a stainless steel pipe under the axle would look bad.

i already have a custom exhaust on my car that goes over the axle, obviously.

dont half ass it, just put the pipe above. it will look bad.

[jackal2000]

Originally Posted by pyro

dont half ass it, just put the pipe above. it will look bad.

GTFO if you arent going to answer the question.

[Pitter98]

Originally Posted by jackal2000

i guess i wasnt clear and i apologize for that. from a PERFORMANCE stand point would make it a difference? does the bend over the axle hurt flow in any way? i dont think a stainless steel pipe under the axle would look bad.

i already have a custom exhaust on my car that goes over the axle, obviously.

Yeah, as far as aesthetics goes.....it's a personal choice - some cars you would hardly be able to notice the difference of over vs. under - the one I saw was just very noticeable.

As far as performance goes, I would have to say it depends on how it's done. If it's pressure bent (the cheap crinkly looking pipes), you are gonna lose some flow by going up over the axle because there will be a lot of flattening of the pipe. If it's mandrel bent (stays almost completely round), then there shouldn't much/if any loss of flow going over the axle. Now I'm by no means an expert here and somebody more knowledgeable could explain more, but that seems to be the general consensus about exhaust flow.

[bu01]

spy in his turbo grand am has his exhaust under the axle i think ask him

[timberwoof]

Is this debate about what looks good or what actually works? because hiding it is always better looking, and more practical, especially if you have alot of bumps in your roadways.

[DrFabulous]

If indeed it hurt performance because of the additional bend, it would be about a quarter of horsepower. Don't you think that every stock and aftermarket GA exhaust runs over the axel for a reason?

[amerpwr]

i got a question.... how is www.car-stuff.com sellin the pacesetter exhaust system for cheaper than pacesetter is and they have free shipping? just a thought

Pacesetter's website:
88-1474 99-04 Pontiac Grand Am, Oldsmobile Alero, 2.4L, 2.2L Ecotec $379.95

Car-Stuff.com:
MONZA PERFORMANCE EXHAUST SYSTEM 1999 Pontiac Grand Am $265.95
Free Shipping - Orders Over $50 Dollars

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by amerpwr

i got a question.... how is www.car-stuff.com sellin the pacesetter exhaust system for cheaper than pacesetter is and they have free shipping? just a thought

Pacesetter's website:
88-1474 99-04 Pontiac Grand Am, Oldsmobile Alero, 2.4L, 2.2L Ecotec $379.95

Car-Stuff.com:
MONZA PERFORMANCE EXHAUST SYSTEM 1999 Pontiac Grand Am $265.95
Free Shipping - Orders Over $50 Dollars

This is usually the case when you buy directly from the manufacture. Most manufactures dont sell directly to customers, but when they do, they sell it at the MSRP, that way their vendors can sell it cheaper and be more competitve. This gives you the option to buy Directly from the maufacture for a few reasons, example, your not comfortable buying it from another site, or cant find it anywhere else.

So, Monza pays XXX.XX for the exhaist and has a X % markup. example, they pay $175 for the exhaust then mark it up to 265 so they can make some money off it.

Pace Setter sells it at their MSRP to deter you from buying from them, they want you to buy from someone else, but are still giving you the option. Most manufactures refuse to sell to anyone that is not going to distribute their items.

[amerpwr]

ooo ok thanks..i might get this from car-stuff.com anyone got these installed for 2.4l?

[Rich]

it was made from using a car with the 2.4. and even if it wasn't it would still fit.

[rickhigginshtbr]

my whole issue is that I heard the muffler on these falls apart real quick and is raspy as hell on the j-bod's. but at the same time even if you replace the muffler, it's still a good price for all that mandrel bent piping + decent looking tips.

[bryanw0087]

Originally Posted by rickhigginshtbr

my whole issue is that I heard the muffler on these falls apart real quick and is raspy as hell on the j-bod's. but at the same time even if you replace the muffler, it's still a good price for all that mandrel bent piping + decent looking tips.

yeah i was wondering how the pacesetter holds up because im going to need it to last 4 years probably, and if its gonna last a year or soemthing and id need a new one then im not going to order it

Can someone tell me the difference between a GT's stock exhaust and SE's stock exhaust??

[timberwoof]

Originally Posted by King Justice

Can someone tell me the difference between a GT's stock exhaust and SE's stock exhaust??

Uh have you not seen the difference???

[Jake]

GT is dual Se isnt? Maybe?

[Rainbow1616]

Whats the deal? Pacesetter is not listed on a lot of car sites anymore including car-stuff.com? On Pacesetter site its well over $400??
Anyone know where to get it cheaper? Thanks

[Banditlead]

So, after the millions of threads on this exhaust, the only picture I could find of this exhaust installed is on an Alero, and its pretty dark.

What is up with that Yellow Tape Trim!? Anyone with a Grand Am get it installed it?

[williamGT]

my friend is waiting for his pacesetter exhaust for his 01GASE 2.4L......i'll post some pic's when me and him put it on.