LIM gasket change walkthrough - Page 7

gectek · 02-12-2007, 06:41 PM

yah well those tools are for fuel line disconnect, not for any type of steel fitting removal, they go in for quick disconnect fittings, but GM doesnt use them on the GA fuel lines, they take different kinds of clips that will open and allow you to remove certain parts.

02-12-2007, 06:44 PM

I have the haynes manual. The only thing I saw was how to remove the FPR. What page talks about the actual lines themselves?

gectek · 02-12-2007, 06:44 PM

the tap and die wouldnt hurt the threads at all, but you should look real well in the fuel rail and the threads on the nut to make sure that they are not binding, and also being as that line basically floats in the bore, it may be an alignment issue

02-12-2007, 06:48 PM

I cant even tell. The threading in the rail itself looks fine but I'm only 90% positive. The bolt thread you can clearly see the thread is like smushed so its stopping it from continuing to the next line.

02-12-2007, 07:03 PM

Okay the tap and dye thing...What size would fit over the end of the fuel line and thread onto the bolt to fix it? and what do i get to fix the fuel rail thread.

2K2GAGT1BQE · 02-12-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wushdishmeen

I have the haynes manual. The only thing I saw was how to remove the FPR. What page talks about the actual lines themselves?

Pg 4-3 and 4-4

BHermis · 02-12-2007, 11:24 PM

Hey i just finished the LIM and started her up. After putting my belt back on it squeeks like crazy and i have not power steering. I can feel that it is loose on the pulleys. My friend use a tenioner tool to pull on it while i was in the car (yah i know not smart) but it did give me tension and thus power steering. So the question is, is the tensioner pulley broken, is the pulley not seated correctly? (we accidentally messed with the bolt) or do i just need a new belt or some combination?
The cars is at 65,000 and i am still on the orignal belt so i guess i will be replacing it but i need to know while its off if i should replace the tensioner.

02-12-2007, 11:57 PM

I also noticed when I reinstalled the tensioner pulley, it rubs against the bolt thats directly to the right of it. I don't understand why because everything is threaded correctly. Im just waiting for when I start the car up after this is done and find a ****load of problems.

gectek · 02-13-2007, 12:05 AM

you prob didnt get the tensioner pin ligned up in the right hole, double check that and the torque on the bolts and routing

02-13-2007, 12:49 AM

Nah i know what your talking about. the tiny hole that the circular bulge on the back of the pulley goes into...i think its the bracket is like the slightest bit off....i dunno

alerored04 · 02-13-2007, 01:45 AM

Wushdish i had the same issue with my fuel feed line. For some reason the feed doesnt line back up perfectly with the fuel rail, Loosen the bolt further away from the feed that holds the rail down. Have a buddy get a flathead between the rail and the lower intake. Pry the passenger side of the rail up so you can get a better angle on the bolt going into the feed side of the rail. Your threads are probably not screwed up, you are just cross threading since for some reason it doesnt want to line up. This is what worked for me on several occasions when taking the rail on and off to deal with other b.s. Oh and make sure that no chunks of that o ring you said you lost are in the rail. That one gave me major headaches.

02-13-2007, 01:51 AM

Yea I took that bolt off your talking about. Im gonna try to get a better angle...but it seems hopeless. The thread on the bolt halfway is like smushed on two lines so its like not letting it go past that part....i dunno its wierd i wish i had a camera

Also, is the tensioner pulley bolt supposed to be screwed in tight? or is the tensioner supposed to be loose so it can jiggle

eh...and question.

If i purchase a new power steering pump that has no pulley how do I get the pulley off my old broken one and put it on the new one? do you need a special tool?

and does the 3.4L 99 gt have variable steering?

BHermis · 02-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Yah i need to know about the tensioner pulley also. How tight should that bolt be? Also I keep geting conflicting information. Can i put a jack with wood and cardborad under my oil pan?

Dave Carney · 02-13-2007, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BHermis

Yah i need to know about the tensioner pulley also. How tight should that bolt be? Also I keep geting conflicting information. Can i put a jack with wood and cardborad under my oil pan?

Its in the previous post with torques specs (Drive Belt Tensioner Bolt 37 ft. lbs.)
You can put a jack under the oil pan with wood in between, in fact you'll find that info stamped right on the pan.

BHermis · 02-13-2007, 12:08 PM

Whoops guess i should have just gotten under there. Alright, about to begin step #117 in the LIM gasket change - replacing the serpentine belt.

02-13-2007, 12:21 PM

replacing the belt is really easy. Your squeeking is probably from fluids either oil/coolant/power steering fluid getting on the belt and contaminating it.

Get a gatorback belt its only $25 itll never squeak again.

I have to get a new power steering pump, then remove the engine mount again to fix the tensioner pulley and replace the power steering. then, hopefully tap and die the bolt on the fuel feed line that goes into the fuel rail. if that doesnt work, i then need either a new fuel rail or new fuel feed line which i DONT even know how to replace.

and all this before even knowing if the LIM gasket job is successful.

Now again, does the 99gt have variable effort steering????

02-13-2007, 03:00 PM

well, i lifted the fuel rail up and got the bolt to thread in fine. just one question, its not supposed to thread ALL the way in correct? there should sttill be like 2 threads left. i dont want to overtighten it so im making sure.

plus, are the o rings that go on the fuel injectors the same size as the ones that go on the end of the fuel feed lines?

one injector has a misshapen oring and is missing the clip, and im missing the orings that go on the two fuel feed lines.

BHermis · 02-13-2007, 03:07 PM

So today I admitted defeat. I finished the LIM and started it to find my belt was loose. No other errors just that. Replaced belt and found that it was rubbing against the tensioner pulley. Drove it for a bit and then temp gauge started swinging from 100 to 200 and got a real high idle. Had to ride the break the whole time. I was right by a repair shop so I brought it in... oh well. So the visible symptoms are belt rubbing against tensioner, temp gauage swinging, high idle. Any clue??? My thought is that the tensioner got messed up during the job. I think one of my friends messed with the bolt, which is causing the rubbing and then i think i have not properly burped the coolant system and thats giving the crazy temps and high idle.

alerored04 · 02-13-2007, 03:15 PM

wushdish im not sure if the 99 is variable effort. My 01 is. In order to get the pulley off the old pump and onto the new one you will need a set of pullers. Most parts stores like advance should have them available to rent. Just go in and tell them what you are trying to do, they should be able to help you. Ill go check mine right now for the threads on the fuel line for you.

Just looked at it, i cant see it too well but i think that there is a thread or two sticking out. Your best bet would to reinstall the battery with the uim off and charge the fuel system and check it for visible leaks. Good luck.

The injector o rings are different sizes than the ones on the fuel lines. make sure you have the correct ones or you will have leaks. You absolutely need the o rings for the fuel feed lines. And while you are in there you might as well replace the damaged injector o rings and replace the missing clip. Here is the thread with the part # for the fuel feed. Need # for fuel feed line o ring.. I couldnt find them at parts stores, the dealership was the only place i could get one.

02-13-2007, 03:17 PM

So...unbolt the tensioner pulley and inspect the bolt...then inspect the bolt that holds the bracket for the pulleys on thats RIGHT next to where the tensioner pulley goes.

Burp the system by unscrewed the bleeder screw, run the car until coolant starts spilling out then screw it back in and your done. You can also squeeze the rad hose to make the air bubbles come out faster.

02-12-2007, 06:41 PM	#121
gectek I hate nose hair AKA: John Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 2,051 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t	yah well those tools are for fuel line disconnect, not for any type of steel fitting removal, they go in for quick disconnect fittings, but GM doesnt use them on the GA fuel lines, they take different kinds of clips that will open and allow you to remove certain parts. __________________ If you unscrew ur belly button, will ur butt fall off? Procrastinators UNITE!!!.....tomorrow

02-12-2007, 06:44 PM	#123
gectek I hate nose hair AKA: John Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 2,051 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t	the tap and die wouldnt hurt the threads at all, but you should look real well in the fuel rail and the threads on the nut to make sure that they are not binding, and also being as that line basically floats in the bore, it may be an alignment issue __________________ If you unscrew ur belly button, will ur butt fall off? Procrastinators UNITE!!!.....tomorrow

02-12-2007, 11:24 PM	#127
BHermis GAGT - Newbie AKA: Brian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 29 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	LIM FInished Hey i just finished the LIM and started her up. After putting my belt back on it squeeks like crazy and i have not power steering. I can feel that it is loose on the pulleys. My friend use a tenioner tool to pull on it while i was in the car (yah i know not smart) but it did give me tension and thus power steering. So the question is, is the tensioner pulley broken, is the pulley not seated correctly? (we accidentally messed with the bolt) or do i just need a new belt or some combination? The cars is at 65,000 and i am still on the orignal belt so i guess i will be replacing it but i need to know while its off if i should replace the tensioner.

02-13-2007, 12:05 AM	#129
gectek I hate nose hair AKA: John Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 2,051 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t	you prob didnt get the tensioner pin ligned up in the right hole, double check that and the torque on the bolts and routing __________________ If you unscrew ur belly button, will ur butt fall off? Procrastinators UNITE!!!.....tomorrow

02-13-2007, 01:45 AM	#131
alerored04 GAGT - Member AKA: Matt Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Prague, MN Age: 35 Posts: 702 Vehicle: 2001 Oldmobile Alero	Wushdish i had the same issue with my fuel feed line. For some reason the feed doesnt line back up perfectly with the fuel rail, Loosen the bolt further away from the feed that holds the rail down. Have a buddy get a flathead between the rail and the lower intake. Pry the passenger side of the rail up so you can get a better angle on the bolt going into the feed side of the rail. Your threads are probably not screwed up, you are just cross threading since for some reason it doesnt want to line up. This is what worked for me on several occasions when taking the rail on and off to deal with other b.s. Oh and make sure that no chunks of that o ring you said you lost are in the rail. That one gave me major headaches. __________________ Lots of mods cost lots of $$ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2598719/1

02-12-2007, 06:44 PM	#122
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	I have the haynes manual. The only thing I saw was how to remove the FPR. What page talks about the actual lines themselves?

02-12-2007, 06:48 PM	#124
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	I cant even tell. The threading in the rail itself looks fine but I'm only 90% positive. The bolt thread you can clearly see the thread is like smushed so its stopping it from continuing to the next line.

02-12-2007, 07:03 PM	#125
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	Okay the tap and dye thing...What size would fit over the end of the fuel line and thread onto the bolt to fix it? and what do i get to fix the fuel rail thread.

02-12-2007, 11:57 PM	#128
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	I also noticed when I reinstalled the tensioner pulley, it rubs against the bolt thats directly to the right of it. I don't understand why because everything is threaded correctly. Im just waiting for when I start the car up after this is done and find a ****load of problems.

02-13-2007, 12:49 AM	#130
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	Nah i know what your talking about. the tiny hole that the circular bulge on the back of the pulley goes into...i think its the bracket is like the slightest bit off....i dunno

02-13-2007, 01:51 AM	#132
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	Yea I took that bolt off your talking about. Im gonna try to get a better angle...but it seems hopeless. The thread on the bolt halfway is like smushed on two lines so its like not letting it go past that part....i dunno its wierd i wish i had a camera Also, is the tensioner pulley bolt supposed to be screwed in tight? or is the tensioner supposed to be loose so it can jiggle eh...and question. If i purchase a new power steering pump that has no pulley how do I get the pulley off my old broken one and put it on the new one? do you need a special tool? and does the 3.4L 99 gt have variable steering? Last edited by wushdishmeen; 02-13-2007 at 02:18 AM.

02-13-2007, 10:09 AM	#133
BHermis GAGT - Newbie AKA: Brian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 29 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	Same question Yah i need to know about the tensioner pulley also. How tight should that bolt be? Also I keep geting conflicting information. Can i put a jack with wood and cardborad under my oil pan?

02-13-2007, 12:08 PM	#135
BHermis GAGT - Newbie AKA: Brian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 29 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	Whoops guess i should have just gotten under there. Alright, about to begin step #117 in the LIM gasket change - replacing the serpentine belt.

02-13-2007, 12:21 PM	#136
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	replacing the belt is really easy. Your squeeking is probably from fluids either oil/coolant/power steering fluid getting on the belt and contaminating it. Get a gatorback belt its only $25 itll never squeak again. I have to get a new power steering pump, then remove the engine mount again to fix the tensioner pulley and replace the power steering. then, hopefully tap and die the bolt on the fuel feed line that goes into the fuel rail. if that doesnt work, i then need either a new fuel rail or new fuel feed line which i DONT even know how to replace. and all this before even knowing if the LIM gasket job is successful. Now again, does the 99gt have variable effort steering???? Last edited by wushdishmeen; 02-13-2007 at 12:44 PM.

02-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#137
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	well, i lifted the fuel rail up and got the bolt to thread in fine. just one question, its not supposed to thread ALL the way in correct? there should sttill be like 2 threads left. i dont want to overtighten it so im making sure. plus, are the o rings that go on the fuel injectors the same size as the ones that go on the end of the fuel feed lines? one injector has a misshapen oring and is missing the clip, and im missing the orings that go on the two fuel feed lines.

02-13-2007, 03:07 PM	#138
BHermis GAGT - Newbie AKA: Brian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 29 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Coupe	So today I admitted defeat. I finished the LIM and started it to find my belt was loose. No other errors just that. Replaced belt and found that it was rubbing against the tensioner pulley. Drove it for a bit and then temp gauge started swinging from 100 to 200 and got a real high idle. Had to ride the break the whole time. I was right by a repair shop so I brought it in... oh well. So the visible symptoms are belt rubbing against tensioner, temp gauage swinging, high idle. Any clue??? My thought is that the tensioner got messed up during the job. I think one of my friends messed with the bolt, which is causing the rubbing and then i think i have not properly burped the coolant system and thats giving the crazy temps and high idle.

02-13-2007, 03:15 PM	#139
alerored04 GAGT - Member AKA: Matt Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Prague, MN Age: 35 Posts: 702 Vehicle: 2001 Oldmobile Alero	wushdish im not sure if the 99 is variable effort. My 01 is. In order to get the pulley off the old pump and onto the new one you will need a set of pullers. Most parts stores like advance should have them available to rent. Just go in and tell them what you are trying to do, they should be able to help you. Ill go check mine right now for the threads on the fuel line for you. Just looked at it, i cant see it too well but i think that there is a thread or two sticking out. Your best bet would to reinstall the battery with the uim off and charge the fuel system and check it for visible leaks. Good luck. The injector o rings are different sizes than the ones on the fuel lines. make sure you have the correct ones or you will have leaks. You absolutely need the o rings for the fuel feed lines. And while you are in there you might as well replace the damaged injector o rings and replace the missing clip. Here is the thread with the part # for the fuel feed. Need # for fuel feed line o ring.. I couldnt find them at parts stores, the dealership was the only place i could get one. __________________ Lots of mods cost lots of $$ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2598719/1 Last edited by alerored04; 02-13-2007 at 03:21 PM.

02-13-2007, 03:17 PM	#140
wushdishmeen Guest Posts: n/a	So...unbolt the tensioner pulley and inspect the bolt...then inspect the bolt that holds the bracket for the pulleys on thats RIGHT next to where the tensioner pulley goes. Burp the system by unscrewed the bleeder screw, run the car until coolant starts spilling out then screw it back in and your done. You can also squeeze the rad hose to make the air bubbles come out faster.