Toyota: Killing Canadianians?

[crazypontiac03]

Ehh, Just another Toyota.. Toyota thinks there the **** anyway. Kinda funny when there o so concern about "Going Green" when at the Auto Show they have 3 of each car and have atleast 10 New Tundra's?!?

[harvester45]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

well technology isn't exactly in place for cleaner fuels. we haven't built a new nuclear power plant in years and still use coal as a primary source of producing electricity, until we use cleaner fuels (nuclear power being top of the list) you can't blame him on that front.

I hate to say it, but Gore is largely to blame for the fact that cleaner energy such as nuclear power is not readily available. He, as most of the dems, and even some reps, has made it difficult to build more Nuclear power plants. I am not aware of him ever calling for more nuclear power plants. He may call for reduction in energy usage, but again, if he can't live his life using less energy then he currently does, then how can he expect the rest of us to (...easy, because he wants to laws which will FORCE us to)?

I just hate all of these hair-brained schemes to "solve" the energy problem or global warming. I really think that the enviroment is way more complex than we can grasp, that there are so many variables which we can't even record (or are just plain unaware of), much less analyze, that these scientists claiming to know what is going on are just looking for headlines.

Yes, we have to be responsible and good stewards of God's creation, but this is absurd. The facts are not all in yet, and we need to wait for science to catch up with our needs before we start pursuing any more wasteful ideas like solar pannel fields or gigantic windmill farms. They are just ineffective, finnacy, expensive, and enviromentally costly. I don't have great answers, but neither does anybody else.

It reminds me of FDR's "saving" us from the Great Depression. All he did was look busy, while unemployment actually rose durring his presidency. But people were happy because they got to see something being done about the problem, even if much of it was simply making it worse.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

more of a kick in the pants for the "ever in denial" Repubs..they dispute the existence of global warming, they say we don't have to live cleanly..and BAM! their oh so great leader is eco-friendly...kinda hurts their ability to pass along the whole "global warming is a big fat myth" story.

not to mention the fact that Bush's new energy bill calls for the use of cleaner burning and alternative fuels as well as a 20% reduction in the use of Oil in the USA over the next 10 years. i guess the big guy knows that global warming really is happening.

i dont know if his ranch is him being more eco friendly, or just to save money.

http://cryptome.org/bush-ranch.htm

i mean, if i could afford all that, im sure its cost effective in the long run. and im sure he enjoys the fact that libs cant say the same thing about his ranch that we are saying about gores house.

and for the bill, maybe hes trying to get us less dependant on foreign oil? i mean, we all know that there are cars that run on water or food scraps out there, they just need to be massed produced so they can save everyone money and whatnot. and i dont think pollution may equal global warming in this instance. i think anyone can agree if you sit in a garage with a car running that its not going to be good. meaning that, cleaner air wont be a bad thing.

[lone_wolf025]

Global warming caused by us? Jury's still out til science gets better
Pollution? Bad
New alternative energy sources? Good idea needs more work
Nuclear power plants? There are a few new designs that are being kicked around so that may have something to do with them not being produced...well that and people having a panic attack about an extremely unlikely Chernobyl or 3 mile island repeat especially with the new designs.

Al Gore? Too easy of a target and too much of a for me to even acknowledge his existence.

That is all.

[Pontiac Ninja]

Getting back to the original post, that is VERY interesting indeed. Many things I had never thought of on that Prius!

[notsoaveragej0e]

The sad part is that none of the major broadcasting outlets would ever do an expose on something like this and make GM look good- or if they did they would say, "too bad they are cutting jobs left and right!" you know, because no other automakers are doing that.

[Rich]

i posted this on another board and someone contacted these guys (brotherhood2.com.) and this is what they said:

So, after reading this article, I had an idea. My favorite author, whose name is John Green, and his brother Hank Green, who runs ecogeek.com, have a video blog called brotherhood 2.0, and since Hank is very environmentally involved, i figured I would post this as a comment to their most recent blog, just to get a response. So far, only John has replied, but here is what he said :


My non-expert, non-enviornmentalist take: The article makes a couple interesting arguments (using nickel is problematic, for instance).

But its reasoning is deeply flawed. Midway through it switched from an environmental perspective to a fiscal perspective (i.e., the Hummer is better because it costs less to create per mile). This in and of itself is probably untrue (I don’t buy that the average American Hummer will be on the road for 300k miles, and I know that people are already driving their Hybrids past 100k without problems), but even if it were true, it doesn’t matter.

I don’t care how much something costs; the key is to reduce carbon emissions (I would argue in fact that reducing carbon emissions is much more immediately important than ending acid rain in Ontario) and to reduce them immediately. There’s simply no way to argue that a Hummer emits less carbon than a Prius. (This article, despite its obvious slant, does not even attempt to make that argument.)

As to whether you should get an Aveo or a Prius: that all depends on how much city driving you do. This article carefully skirts the fact that Hybrids save most of their gas mileage in stop-and-go traffic. If you never drive in a place with stoplights, it may make sense to get an Aveo. Otherwise, you should get a Hybrid. (I think the Civic is better than the Prius, but that’s just me.)

John





They have a very interesting blog, you should all check it out at brotherhood2.com.

[harvester45]

Yeah, but I think the important concept that your friend John is missing is that the enviromental costs of producing, maintaining and driving the Prius are higher than those of the Hummer. The amount of energy (or even carbon output) used could very well be higher over X miles for the Prius than the Hummer. I've heard this arguement explained before in more detail, and I believe it's a sound one.

[Ajaxus]

For the guys slamming Gore for his high energy bill, I just found something a friend of mine posted on another site on this topic, I sent him a message asking for a source so I can confirm it's authenticity.

But what he said is that the reason his bill is so high is that Gore and his wife purchase Local Renewable Energy which costs them 3x as much instead of buying from the local power grids.

So divide that $1100/mo by 3 and you get the equivalent to what you and I all spend for our energy.

Like I said I'll get a source asap to verify this..I'm too lazy to google for it.

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

For the guys slamming Gore for his high energy bill, I just found something a friend of mine posted on another site on this topic, I sent him a message asking for a source so I can confirm it's authenticity.

But what he said is that the reason his bill is so high is that Gore and his wife purchase Local Renewable Energy which costs them 3x as much instead of buying from the local power grids.

So divide that $1100/mo by 3 and you get the equivalent to what you and I all spend for our energy.

Like I said I'll get a source asap to verify this..I'm too lazy to google for it.

Yet the media is quick to bash him for it, and fail to tell us the truth...

[Ajaxus]

Depends on what media source you're using, I've found CNN goes liberal and Fox goes conservative..but CNN tends to explain both sides of a story more often than Fox ever does.

[Rich]

^i dont know about that. besides, the whole thing about gore hasnt been on any of the mainstream news sources.

[Ajaxus]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

For the guys slamming Gore for his high energy bill, I just found something a friend of mine posted on another site on this topic, I sent him a message asking for a source so I can confirm it's authenticity.

But what he said is that the reason his bill is so high is that Gore and his wife purchase Local Renewable Energy which costs them 3x as much instead of buying from the local power grids.

So divide that $1100/mo by 3 and you get the equivalent to what you and I all spend for our energy.

Like I said I'll get a source asap to verify this..I'm too lazy to google for it.

for those that care i just received his reply...

You got it man... I'll let my man Keith explain it in a far mroe entertaining mathod than I ever could. wink

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/.../1/Countdown-G
ore-Energy.wmv/

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/gov...al_gore_energy
.htm
(Make sure to read the additional page)

"Through a spokesperson, Gore has responded to criticism of his bloated electric bill by arguing that his lifestyle is actually "carbon neutral" because he offsets 100% of the environmental impact of his power consumption by purchasing "green energy" and investing in projects that promote renewable resources and reduce overall consumption. This strategy, known as carbon offsetting, has won acceptance among the environmentally conscious as a way to effectively zero out their "carbon footprint" without living in a grass hut. Some argue that carbon offsets are a cop-out -- the ecological equivalent of expiating one's sins by purchasing indulgences from the church -- but others tout them as a crucial weapon in the longterm fight against global warming."

[Rich]

but if this is such a BIG problem, shouldnt he be doing the "carbon offsetting" and living his life like hes telling everyone else too? as for the offsets:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257958,00.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...posts?page=176