Toyota Passes General Motors to Become World's Top Auto Seller

[Rich]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267980,00.html

[crazypontiac03]

If toyota, keeps getting a big head about every dam thing, There going to be just like all the other Auto Companies.

FYI Still hate Them.

[lone_wolf025]

I can't help but think even if they do beat out GM for the year they'll just make the same bad quality choices the others did. After all they had all those issues with their cherished V8 in the Tundra. Regardless my next car will NOT be a Toyota.

[crazypontiac03]

Don't forget about all the recalls this past year. Since there rushing Car's/Trucks to production.

[lone_wolf025]

Originally Posted by crazypontiac03

Don't forget about all the recalls this past year. Since there rushing Car's/Trucks to production.

Exactly. I suspect its going to continue and get worse before it gets better.

[fo44rd]

I truely and genuenly HATE TOYOTA AND HONDA and all the rest of them.......

.....as much as I rip on the GENERAL I find it totally unpatriotic to buy anything not under the GM and FORD family umbrellas. Chrysler is still american to me too even under GERMAN rule.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

I truely and genuenly HATE TOYOTA AND HONDA and all the rest of them.......

.....as much as I rip on the GENERAL I find it totally unpatriotic to buy anything not under the GM and FORD family umbrellas. Chrysler is still american to me too even under GERMAN rule.

the most absurd uninformed comment of the day.

so under your impression we should just levvy huge taxes on toyota and honda instead to help give GM and FORD a crutch ?

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

so under your impression we should just levvy huge taxes on toyota and honda instead to help give GM and FORD a crutch ?

I AM ALL FOR A 25-50% TARIFF ON ALL NON-DOMESTIC AUTOMAKER PURCHASES.

I have been for years.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

the most absurd uninformed comment of the day.

so under your impression we should just levvy huge taxes on toyota and honda instead to help give GM and FORD a crutch ?

Why not? They do that to our cars in a lot of other countries (including Japan). Try finding an american made car in Japan. It's not easy.

[nascarnate326]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Why not? They do that to our cars in a lot of other countries (including Japan). Try finding an american made car in Japan. It's not easy.

Amen. Higher tarrifs as well as getting rid of the UAW could help the problem. Im not sure it can be fixed, but lower wages would help keep things in our country.


Also, I would much rather GM be the number 10 producer of auto's if all of them were top notch, problem free.

[zhd1000]

Originally Posted by fo44rd

I truely and genuenly HATE TOYOTA AND HONDA and all the rest of them.......

.....as much as I rip on the GENERAL I find it totally unpatriotic to buy anything not under the GM and FORD family umbrellas. Chrysler is still american to me too even under GERMAN rule.

You do know that foreign owned corporations like Toyota, Honda and Hyundai do manufacture in the United States of America? Similarly, General Motors and Ford outsource some of their labor to Mexico and Canada. I know for a fact that the final assembly plant of my brother's Monte Carlo (a CHEVY an AMERICAN car) was in Canada and I believe that the 3400s for our Grand Ams were produced in Mexico (can't remember where I saw that though..)

[lone_wolf025]

The American car companies outsource a lot of the smaller components of a car due to the UAW, but as far as Uncle Sam is concerned any car built overseas/out of country (be it by Toyota or GM) counts as an import for various purposes including CAFE.

Frankly though IMO the tariff idea sounds good in principle, but would result in less competition for the American car companies who then would have no reason to work so hard to keep their customers. Besides a lot of cars are already expensive enough even without a tariff. You can go to Germany and buy a top of the line Mercedes for tens of thousands of dollars less than you would pay for practically the same thing here.

[Sleepwalkr]

Well, we all knew it was coming....they've been predicting it for a couple years now. However, I read an article a couple of months ago where the writer was saying that becoming #2 might be the best t happen to GM in a long time. It'll make them work harder to regain their top spot. I tend to agree. My prediction is that this will happen. Maybe not for a few years, but it will. GM's vehicles are getting better & better, probably due to the fact that they're finally listening to what customers want, and that Toyota has finally caught them. Plus, GM's sales for the first 1/4 of the year were actually much better than predicted. So, its happening, they are getting much better.

Even all the anti-US and pro-Japan / Euro car people are admitting that GM is improving tremendously.

However, Ford & Chrysler still have a long way to go.

[crazypontiac03]

Originally Posted by zhd1000

You do know that foreign owned corporations like Toyota, Honda and Hyundai do manufacture in the United States of America? Similarly, General Motors and Ford outsource some of their labor to Mexico and Canada. I know for a fact that the final assembly plant of my brother's Monte Carlo (a CHEVY an AMERICAN car) was in Canada and I believe that the 3400s for our Grand Ams were produced in Mexico (can't remember where I saw that though..)

U are also aware that, Vehicle that such as Toyota, Honda etc that are made in American. Half the Profit going back into the country of Orgin economy.

Nothing is ever "Made in USA" Just parts of the car.....

[crazypontiac03]

Originally Posted by frmtheash

Nothing is ever "Made in USA" Just parts of the car.....

Yea but 95% Made in the USA is better then 15%.

[zhd1000]

Originally Posted by crazypontiac03

U are also aware that, Vehicle that such as Toyota, Honda etc that are made in American. Half the Profit going back into the country of Orgin economy.

yes money does go back to the country of orgin, but some does go into the American economy.. buying an "import" that is built in the United States is still supporting the working men and women that live here state side.. just because the money goes to Japan in the end really makes no difference to me, it's about supporting the working class.. you buy a Pontiac and in the end the money goes to a giant corporate entity..

[Exodus]

Its no suprise....

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by zhd1000

yes money does go back to the country of orgin, but some does go into the American economy.. buying an "import" that is built in the United States is still supporting the working men and women that live here state side.. just because the money goes to Japan in the end really makes no difference to me, it's about supporting the working class.. you buy a Pontiac and in the end the money goes to a giant corporate entity..

You are still supporting the foreign economy more than the american economy though, even if the foreign car is built here. Most of the japanese cars that are built here still use more foreign made parts and some even use imported steel. American made cars use a larger percentage of domestic made parts (ac delco for example in GM products) than the percentage of foreign made parts. You are also therefore putting more money in the supporting companies and not just the auto company itself. Then if you look at the profit staying with american car companies and not leaving the country... bottom line is buying american made cars puts more money in OUR economy than buying foreign cars.


Oh, and how are toyota and honda any different "giant corporate entities" than GM... other than the fact that GM is american and they are japanese?

[fo44rd]

Originally Posted by crazypontiac03

Yea but 95% Made in the USA is better then 15%.

check the origin of county part % sticker on those ASSEMBLED IN AMERICA JAP CARS. All the manufacturing is done oversea...the assembly is done here by underpaid factory workers.....funny how they always place their plants in the middle of no were.