anyone have a REAR strut tower bar? - Page 2

AaronGTR · 05-10-2007, 11:14 PM

A strut tower bar will not create over steer. It only affects the response speed of the springs by reducing chassis flex. You are much more likely to get over steer from installing just a rear sway bar and not a front sway bar. That's why I tell people to get both to keep it balanced.

SpyhunteR · 05-11-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronGTR

A strut tower bar will not create over steer. It only affects the response speed of the springs by reducing chassis flex. You are much more likely to get over steer from installing just a rear sway bar and not a front sway bar. That's why I tell people to get both to keep it balanced.

oversteer.. OMG, so much oversteer!!!!! it's awesome. I'm finally getting my front bar in sometime in the next two weeks when the motor comes out for the clutch job.

cardude007617 · 05-12-2007, 12:51 PM

Aaron-im getting strut braces not sway bars.....
so was that all sarcasm about the oversteer or wat spyhunter?

Vampyrate · 05-12-2007, 02:02 PM

okay, correct me if im wrong. understeer- front tires oversteer- rear tires... get the bars and it corrects it by limiting body flex slightly right?

im just trying to remember this from a long long time ago

AaronGTR · 05-12-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

Aaron-im getting strut braces not sway bars.....
so was that all sarcasm about the oversteer or wat spyhunter?

Yeah, I got that. My point is that getting the bars is going to have hardly any affect on changing under/oversteer balance from front to back. You won't notice any difference. You'd have to change sway bars or springs to see any noticable change because strut bars will NOT increase your roll stiffness.

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Originally Posted by Vampyrate

okay, correct me if im wrong. understeer- front tires oversteer- rear tires... get the bars and it corrects it by limiting body flex slightly right?

im just trying to remember this from a long long time ago

When the front tires slide and the car doesn't want to rotate or turn that is understeer. When the rear tires slide and the back end of the car kicks out (the car rotates and turns) that is oversteer. Limiting body flex will have negligible affect on changing the handling balance. See above.

cardude007617 · 05-12-2007, 07:27 PM

so are the braces a waste of mulah or should i just get the front for a lil gain at least?
today i threw the car into some turns and it seemed pretty tight. going back to one of my earlier threads, i think tire psi has alot to do with it as well.

lone_wolf025 · 05-12-2007, 07:46 PM

Its really up to you. Will you get some effect from adding a front bar? A little yea. Do you really need it? Unless you're planning on going autocrossing (in which case you would go all out on suspension), not really.

timberwoof · 05-12-2007, 08:38 PM

There's been a debate about all this for quite some time now. The majority of people tend to get the STBs first, most the front first, due to them being so easy to install.

Like Aaron was saying, the STBs don't do very much, if anything for body rolls. They are designed to keep the body from flexing so much, or flex together providing a more balanced feel while turning. Sway bars are probably the better bet if you are concerned about the oversteer or understeer. In the case with our cars, massive understeer. Keep the body from rolling so much and throwing its weight to the outside of the curve and you take alot of that out. That's atleast what I've notice.

I got to drive my buddy's camaro before he got the sways, and then after. Big difference on such a heavy and clumsy car.

cardude007617 · 05-12-2007, 10:16 PM

hmmmmmm interesting. u mean massive understeer dude. so i should just get it and reap the minor difference it gets.
and no, i dont plan on autocrosssing the grand am. for some reason, my gut says it wont end well..............

timberwoof · 05-12-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

hmmmmmm interesting. u mean massive understeer dude. so i should just get it and reap the minor difference it gets.
and no, i dont plan on autocrosssing the grand am. for some reason, my gut says it wont end well..............

Yeah that's what I mean. I gets those two mixed up every once in a while. That's my bad. Its been corrected.

cardude007617 · 05-13-2007, 12:35 AM

aight but ya its understeer.
so is it worth $30 ? or save the money for gas.......

Vampyrate · 05-13-2007, 07:14 AM

if you want to keep suspension fairly stock but still want that feeling of a bit stiffer turn... then i would get it. its one of those mods that feel weird for the first hour or so after you install it, then its something you forget about until you try to take a sharp turn w/o it.

i think that its worth it on some cars (like the 350z that needs it badly). for me, anything that will help reduce flex and/or roll in tight turns then im for it.

lvemy3100 · 05-13-2007, 07:22 AM

http://mpracing.org/forum/index.php?topic=21.msg96#new

AaronGTR · 05-13-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

so are the braces a waste of mulah or should i just get the front for a lil gain at least?
today i threw the car into some turns and it seemed pretty tight. going back to one of my earlier threads, i think tire psi has alot to do with it as well.

Oh they're definitely worth the money. I'm just sayin' make sure you understand what effect they are going to have so you won't be disappointed when you install them.

cardude007617 · 05-13-2007, 10:05 AM

great site lvemy3100. so which is more important? hahahaha front or rear?

lvemy3100 · 05-13-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

great site lvemy3100. so which is more important? hahahaha front or rear?

thanks its my forum.. not much there YET but maybe in the future I will be able to add some more stuff..

neither one is any more important than the other... you are better off doing both at the same time to maintain proper balance...

as wolf stated before having only one or the other can make the car unpredictable in corners and act a little strange while braking hard...

installing the braces will make the car MUCH more predictable/consistent in the corners and very slightly improve braking performance..

cardude007617 · 05-13-2007, 12:53 PM

ok so get em both at the same time or nothing at all ur saying right? sounds good i guess. thanks

lvemy3100 · 05-13-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

ok so get em both at the same time or nothing at all ur saying right? sounds good i guess. thanks

pretty much....

if you plan to do hard cornering or any other suspension mods you would be best to get and install both before proceeding with more mods or anymore hard cornering...

if you arent going to do more suspension mods or much hard cornering I would suggest not bothering with either... unless you just want your suspension and brakes to be working to their fullest as well as reducing the wear on your chassis

np always happy to help

cardude007617 · 05-13-2007, 01:47 PM

well i like taking turns moderately fast. so i guess i'll just wait until my system is finished that i'll get em both and i'll know if there will be enough room for the rear brace above my sub box

05-10-2007, 11:14 PM	#21
AaronGTR BlingWithBallz AKA: Aaron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit area, MI Age: 43 Posts: 12,254 Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr	A strut tower bar will not create over steer. It only affects the response speed of the springs by reducing chassis flex. You are much more likely to get over steer from installing just a rear sway bar and not a front sway bar. That's why I tell people to get both to keep it balanced. __________________ The few, the proud, the boosted! 13.788 @ 103.73 mph (3/2011) 320 whp and 300 ft/lbs torque. (3/2011) See it here. the total package.

05-12-2007, 12:51 PM	#23
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	Aaron-im getting strut braces not sway bars..... so was that all sarcasm about the oversteer or wat spyhunter? __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-12-2007, 07:27 PM	#26
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	so are the braces a waste of mulah or should i just get the front for a lil gain at least? today i threw the car into some turns and it seemed pretty tight. going back to one of my earlier threads, i think tire psi has alot to do with it as well. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-12-2007, 08:38 PM	#28
timberwoof Law Dawg AKA: Cody Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portland Tx Posts: 1,827 Vehicle: 2004 Grand Am SE1	There's been a debate about all this for quite some time now. The majority of people tend to get the STBs first, most the front first, due to them being so easy to install. Like Aaron was saying, the STBs don't do very much, if anything for body rolls. They are designed to keep the body from flexing so much, or flex together providing a more balanced feel while turning. Sway bars are probably the better bet if you are concerned about the oversteer or understeer. In the case with our cars, massive understeer. Keep the body from rolling so much and throwing its weight to the outside of the curve and you take alot of that out. That's atleast what I've notice. I got to drive my buddy's camaro before he got the sways, and then after. Big difference on such a heavy and clumsy car. Last edited by timberwoof; 05-12-2007 at 10:43 PM.

05-12-2007, 10:16 PM	#29
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	hmmmmmm interesting. u mean massive understeer dude. so i should just get it and reap the minor difference it gets. and no, i dont plan on autocrosssing the grand am. for some reason, my gut says it wont end well.............. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-12-2007, 02:02 PM	#24
Vampyrate Resident Compu-Nerd AKA: Aaron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ashburn, VA Age: 35 Posts: 170 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	okay, correct me if im wrong. understeer- front tires oversteer- rear tires... get the bars and it corrects it by limiting body flex slightly right? im just trying to remember this from a long long time ago

05-13-2007, 12:35 AM	#31
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	aight but ya its understeer. so is it worth $30 ? or save the money for gas....... __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-13-2007, 07:14 AM	#32
Vampyrate Resident Compu-Nerd AKA: Aaron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ashburn, VA Age: 35 Posts: 170 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE Coupe	if you want to keep suspension fairly stock but still want that feeling of a bit stiffer turn... then i would get it. its one of those mods that feel weird for the first hour or so after you install it, then its something you forget about until you try to take a sharp turn w/o it. i think that its worth it on some cars (like the 350z that needs it badly). for me, anything that will help reduce flex and/or roll in tight turns then im for it.

05-13-2007, 07:22 AM	#33
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05-13-2007, 10:05 AM	#35
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	great site lvemy3100. so which is more important? hahahaha front or rear? __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-13-2007, 12:53 PM	#37
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	ok so get em both at the same time or nothing at all ur saying right? sounds good i guess. thanks __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

05-13-2007, 01:47 PM	#39
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	well i like taking turns moderately fast. so i guess i'll just wait until my system is finished that i'll get em both and i'll know if there will be enough room for the rear brace above my sub box __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

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