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User account under probation
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well at least I am not the only one
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BlingWithBallz
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Detroit area, MI
Age: 43
Posts: 12,254
Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT1 2dr
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I was thinking something sorta like this for lateral links. http://www.jic-magic.com/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=12
They have locking turnbuckles in the middle of the arm so you can also use them to adjust toe and camber settings. ![]()
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
Posts: 1,089
Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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Id have to see the stock setup before I could guess on design. Thats about what I had in mind for the trailing arms though unless its too expensive or I can find a better route for the money.
Trailing arms keep the rear tires from moving front to back. Lateral arms keep it from moving side to side. |
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Mr. Common Sense
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Loves Park, IL USA
Age: 47
Posts: 2,031
Vehicle: 2000 Alero GLS sedan
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Like everone else has said, the stock setup is a multilink - a strut located by two lateral links and a trailing link. All links are stamped steel with rubber bushings.
If I had my druthers, I'd like to see tubular chromoly lniks with greaseable poly bushings (preferably via zerk fittings).
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
Posts: 1,089
Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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Sorta like the BMR stuff that costs 500 bucks for a grand prix? When does price become a factor?
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Mr. Common Sense
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Loves Park, IL USA
Age: 47
Posts: 2,031
Vehicle: 2000 Alero GLS sedan
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Sort of....the adjustability is not necessary. Weight savings and suspension control are where it's at.
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
Posts: 1,089
Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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Well, i don't think weight savings is going to happen when you compare thin U shaped junk to quality parts that won't bend or flex much if any.
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Mr. Common Sense
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Loves Park, IL USA
Age: 47
Posts: 2,031
Vehicle: 2000 Alero GLS sedan
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Mmm-kay.....although I'm sure TCE could produce some swanky billet lateral and trailering arms, I don't know how strong they'd be. What ideas do you have?
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
Posts: 1,089
Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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Not my field of expertise so I won't pretend like I know what the best setup is for your application. The BMR seem like overkill to me for all the street applications. Maybe for a real racing setup like auto x. The GMPP trailing arms with poly inserts worked well on my 91 GP so that type of design is where I would start on them. I didn't race it. For racing, id like to check the mounts on the car itself and see what you are bolting up to. I guess making the car's mounts the weak point beats making it the part itself but for all out there would have to be some serious changes made. I know people who could figure that all out but that becomes purely a factor of money.
I am open to any and all suggestions. When it is closer to time that we can get the parts made, however that will be, I will take the ideas from here into account. No point in making something no one wants. I am not too concerned about needing a minimum order other than price requirements at the specific product level. I don't want to limit ideas at this point. |
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I hate nose hair
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lubbock, TX
Posts: 2,051
Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t
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ok so here are the pics of the susp parts asked for. 2 bars are lateral bars, used for adjusting toe on fact susp. the single bar aimed toward rear is the trailing arm.
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
Posts: 1,089
Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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Is that a drum brake?! Different trailing arms than w bodies for sure and the laterals are a different design as well. Defiantly need a set to measure.
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I hate nose hair
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lubbock, TX
Posts: 2,051
Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t
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yes they are drums, but they are the same for disk and drum, diif length front and rear, ill send what i got if you give me a time frame.
Last edited by gectek; 12-18-2006 at 09:32 PM. |
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I hate nose hair
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lubbock, TX
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Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT sc/t
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also here is pic of front i have the horizontal bushing(new) if you want it too, the vert bolt bolts to the engine cradle also
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CUSTOM gagt BADHABIT
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Dartmouth Nova-Scotia Canada
Age: 59
Posts: 1,185
Vehicle: 2000 Grand Am GT Sedan
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speaking of the alum front lower control arms. is there anything wrong with the alum versions or something ? i ask because why did they change them ? and can i put them on my 2000 GAGT ? they would be lighter and cleaner looking any other benefits or bad things about them?
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Im President Charley
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well after seeing the thread about ES possibly making urethane stock replacement bushings for our cars I figured I would bring this thread back from the dead since I cant stand to see that once we CAN have things made people just seem not to care about them anymore... but as soon as those same people finally want something they complain that there isnt anything available for our cars.. can we say WTF???
in any case maybe now that it has been brought back up and it is warmer some people may be willing to show interest in this...
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More, more....LEDS !
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Germany
Posts: 27
Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am SE
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GAGT - Senior Member
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http://www.kingmotorsports.com/category.aspx?cat=12
Here is a small page full of cool guy stuff from King Motorsports too.... CHRIS
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#1 hater
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I've always been all about improving the way the car rides and drives............ everybody else are the ones that are slackin.
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WOT-Tech
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Age: 42
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Vehicle: 1999 Alero
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I need to talk to phil and marc, since phil did have some suspension parts to take measurements from. TCE has been busy but I will see how it looks to get something new developed.
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Im President Charley
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