Rumour upcoming G8 GXP - LS3 (450+hp)

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by GregFarz78

I didn't know that...what a nice little loophole I hate how the government is getting involved if I want to drive a gas guzzler I should have the choice to do so they should be getting involved to regulate the oil companies overcharging us at the pump.

Dont take what I said as fact yet. like i said, thats what I have read, Im not 100% sure thats how its going to work.

[rennation]

g8's are so badass

[Ajaxus]

Originally Posted by Mirage85

Actually, its the new emmisions standards that are causing GM problems. From what Understood, the Camaro and G8 are still coming, but everything else is on hold until they start moving more fuel efficient cars, or can develope a more fuel efficient V8 to take up some of the slack. for all the cars they produce and sell, they have to have a certain average gas mileage. So say they sell 500,000 cars next years (totally made up number), the average gas mileage for those 500,000 combined needs to be 26mpg (another made up number). I dont know exact numbers, but Im pretty sure thats how the new standards are going to work, for now anyway.

So, if GM can start selling a crap ton of cobalts or hybrids getting 30-50 mpg, then they can make more and sell more rwd V8 cars. I think we will see the number of SUV's start to decrease over the next couple of years. Not that people will stop buying them, but automakers will stop offering such a wide variety, I think we will be seeing more cross-overs.

The exact numbers are that by 2012 all cars produced and sold within the US must get atleast 35mpg.

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

The exact numbers are that by 2012 all cars produced and sold within the US must get atleast 35mpg.

Thats the average though right? not all cars must get that minimum, but thats an average?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GregFarz78

I didn't know that...what a nice little loophole I hate how the government is getting involved if I want to drive a gas guzzler I should have the choice to do so they should be getting involved to regulate the oil companies overcharging us at the pump.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.../BIZ/706070330

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-06-07.html

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

The exact numbers are that by 2012 all cars produced and sold within the US must get atleast 35mpg.

according to the first article i posted its 35mpg by 2020.

[Mirage85]

Next week, the Senate is expected to begin considering a proposal to raise CAFE standards to a fleet average of 35 miles per gallon for a manufacturer's cars and trucks by 2020, an increase of about 10 mpg over current levels. From 2020-2030, the auto industry would face 4 percent annual increases.

Attempts to raise fuel economy standards have made little progress in the past 20 years. A manufacturer's fleet of passenger cars is required to get an average of 27.5 mpg for any given model year, while a manufacturer's SUVs, pickup trucks and vans must get an average of 22.2 mpg. That's a combined average of about 25 mpg.

From the first article Rich linked.

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Rich

according to the first article i posted its 35mpg by 2020.

So basically, its not a good idea to buy a car anytime soon due to them changing engine technology and all?

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by Exodus

So basically, its not a good idea to buy a car anytime soon due to them changing engine technology and all?

I wouldnt say that at all.

[Ajaxus]

Originally Posted by Mirage85

Thats the average though right? not all cars must get that minimum, but thats an average?

My understanding was that it was minimum, but it could be average.

Originally Posted by Rich

according to the first article i posted its 35mpg by 2020.

Hmm, well I think the original plan was 2012, they may have bumped it back though since I haven't read up on it all in awhile. 2020 isn't that much of a deadline, you would think the average would be around 50-60mpg by then.

[stillriza]

Originally Posted by notsoaveragej0e

for a second i thought i was loooking at a 2008 lancer..



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[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

Hmm, well I think the original plan was 2012, they may have bumped it back though since I haven't read up on it all in awhile. 2020 isn't that much of a deadline, you would think the average would be around 50-60mpg by then.

Wouldnt that depend on what dipsh!t is ruining .... uhh running the country?

[Mirage85]

Originally Posted by Ajaxus

My understanding was that it was minimum, but it could be average.

Fleet average. So that helps, but still 35mpg is pretty high. They can make the cars do that, but they dont want to spend the money retooling their manufacturing facilites... etc...

In the end, we are going to be paying for it anyway...

[Exodus]

Gotta luv us consumers.

[Mike Jung]

This how the Canadian Government is handling it.

Lets put a new Excise Tax on Fuel Inefficient Cars

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/agency/budg.../excise-e.html

Vehicles that have a weighted average fuel consumption of 13 or more litres per 100 km will be subject to the tax at the following rates:

At least 13 but less than 14 litres per 100 km(16.8-18.1 miles per US gallon): $1,000 Cdn
At last 14, but less than 15 litres per 100 km (15.7-16.8 miles per US Gallon): $2,000 Cdn
At least 15 but less than 16 litres per 100 km (14.7-15.7 miles per US Gallon): $3,000 Cdn
16 or more litres per 100 km (less than 14.7 miles per US Gallon) : $4,000 Cdn

[Mike Jung]

from: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...udget2007/home

Environment: New levy can add $4,000 to price of SUVs
Fuel-efficient cars get big discounts

BILL CURRY AND GREG KEENAN

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

March 20, 2007 at 1:30 PM EDT

OTTAWA — Canadians are being enticed out of their H3 Hummers and into Toyota Priuses as part of a surprise new "green levy" introduced in the federal budget.

A fee of up to $4,000 will be added to the price of gas-guzzling SUVs and supercharged sports cars to pay for new incentives aimed at getting Canadians behind the wheel of new hybrid cars or other fuel-efficient vehicles.

The incentives would be worth up to $2,000 and can be combined with similar offers by several provinces, reducing the purchase cost of hybrids by as much as $4,000.

The measure steals a page from the Green Party's platform, and combined with incentives for renewable-fuel production, it makes vehicle emissions the top target of Ottawa's environmental spending plan.

Although environmentalists welcomed the rebates for hybrids, they criticized the budget yesterday for falling well short of the "massive scale-up" of climate-change efforts that former environment commissioner Johanne Gélinas called for last September.

The Conservative budget contains more than $4-billion over seven years for environmental issues, including incentives for domestic ethanol production and protection for Canadian lakes and forests.

Half of that money follows the government's announcement last year that 5 per cent of all gasoline sold in Canada must be from renewable sources such as ethanol by 2010. Two per cent of all diesel must also be from renewable sources.

But environmentalists note that the $2-billion is not new money, because it is being paid for by ending an existing tax break for ethanol.

"If you want to subsidize corn producers, that's fine, but it's barely an environmental program," said Aaron Freeman of Environmental Defence.

Environmentalists argue the budget does not qualify as a climate-change plan because it makes no mention of how many megatonnes of greenhouse gases would be reduced as a result of the new spending. That criticism was shared by the NDP and Liberal environment critic David McGuinty, who said the green levy is another name for a carbon tax -- something Conservatives have said they oppose.

The green levy on fuel-inefficient vehicles will not apply to pickup trucks, thereby avoiding a backlash from rural Canada. Finance officials said it would be unfair to penalize pickups because many Canadians require them for work.

Some industry officials said they have told Ottawa for years that the combined scheme of rebates for fuel-sippers and penalties for gas-guzzlers is the wrong approach.

One key reason is that fuel-efficient vehicles are already extremely popular in Canada, which means rebates on fuel-efficient vehicles won't have much of an impact.

More than 50 per cent of the 1.6 million vehicles purchased in Canada last year were in the subcompact and compact car segments, said industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

"These are people who are already doing their bit," said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association, which represents DaimlerChrysler, Ford and General Motors.

However, Toyota Canada, which has been a leader in hybrid technology, issued a statement applauding the budget.

In addition, the budget's environmental spending includes:

The already announced $1.5-billion EcoTrust, which funds projects jointly with the provinces to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions;.

The previously announced $250-million Natural Areas Conservation Program, which encourages the private sector to protect ecologically sensitive lands.;

$110-million to protect the habitat of species at risk;

$93-million for a national water strategy, which includes cleanup projects for the Great Lakes, Lake Simcoe and Lake Winnipeg, and fisheries research.

3

Number of vehicle models eligible for the full $2,000 fuel-consumption rebate.

$4,000

The extra levy new-car drivers will pay for autos with the worst fuel-efficiency ratings.

100

The number of new environmental enforcement officers, bringing the total to 300.

"It a milestone day obviously for people who are in the biofuels industry, but also for farmers and the environment"

KORY TENECYKE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CANADIAN RENEWABLE FUELS ASSOCIATIONS

"The are making it look like they are doing something when they aren't doing much. They are letting all the horses out, and then they're going to close the corral.

JOHN BENNET, CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK

"From a purely UTS perspective, this is not catastrophic and it certainly doesn't affect the viability of our oil-sands business going forward.

WILL ROACH, CEO OF UTS ENERGY CORP.

Green machines

An illustrative list of 2007 model fuel-efficient vehicles that will be eligible for a rebate as part of a program to promote cleaner transportation.

Fuel consumption* Litres/100km Rebate
Toyota Prius 1.5L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline 4.1 $2,000
Honda Civic Hybrid 1.3L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline 4.5 $2,000
Toyota Corolla 1.8L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline, 5-speed manual 6.3 $1,000
Mini Cooper M6 1.6L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline, 6-speed manual 6.5 $1,000
Ford Escape HEV 4x4 2.3L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline, CVT 7.4 $2,000
Saturn Vue Hybrid 2.4L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline, 4-speed automatic 7.9 $1,000
Jeep Patriot 2.4L, 4 Cyl, regular gasoline, 5-speed manual 8.2 $1,000
Chevrolet Impala 3.5L, 6 Cyl, E85** Flex Fuel Vehicle 12.3 $1,000
Chrysler Sebring 2.7L, 6 Cyl, E85** Flex Fuel Vehicle 13.0 $1,000

*Based on 55 per cent city/45 per cent highway fuel-consumption rating.

**Engine that uses fuel that contains up to 85% ethanol.

SOURCE: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

Guzzler's levy

A sampling of 2007 model vehicles that would be subject to a green surcharge. The rate increases as the number of litres per 100 km rises.

Fuel consumption* Litres/100km Surcharge
Nissan Pathfinder 13.1 $1,000
Dodge Durango 14.1 $2,000
Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 16.9 $4,000

*Based on 55 per cent city/45 per cent highway fuel-consumption rating.

SOURCE: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE

Pay up or paid back

New cars with a combined fuel consumption rating of 6.5 l/100 km

or less, and minivans, SUVs and other light trucks with a rating of 8.3

l/100 km or less will also be eligible for rebates. And a green levy will be

imposed on new passenger vehicles (excluding trucks) with fuel efficiency

ratings of 13 l/100 km or more, to be paid by the manufacturer

or importer when cars are delivered to the Canadian market.

[Rich]

i think id rather pay extra for a car id like, than to not be able to get a car id like at all.

[bballr4567]

I personally think that they need to seriously downsize the number of SUVs that they offer. Most if not all of them are being used as a status instead of actual use. A van or wagon is much much more fuel efficient yet you are seen as lower class because of that car.


Personally I cant wait to pick up a G8!!!


And damn a Lancer does look a lot like a G8. Insane.

[stillriza]

In regards to the federal requirements,

2007 will be the last year for the Cobalt SS supercharged coupe..Apparently the Cobalt’s 2.0-litre supercharged four-banger will not meet the more stringent federal emissions requirements for 2008

Article

[Rich]

^i dont think thats the case. they were planning on stopping it that year and bringing it back a year later i believe. i dont see how the LSJ could be bad for federal emission guidelines, it gets good MPG.