American HIDs

crazypontiac03 · 09-26-2007, 10:26 PM

I've been wondering for the past few year's why the Hell Hasn't Ford,GM,Dodge produced any New "Body Style" With atleast the option of HID's? Christ even Mazda and Nissan have that option.

What's the Deal? It couldn't Cost all the much more to replace projector's with HID's.

ryanbgb22 · 09-26-2007, 10:42 PM

they're coming around. GMC was actually one of the first companies to start using hids. IIRC, the 98 envoys had the option.

Bryan · 09-26-2007, 10:43 PM

I thought a lot of the new Chevys and Cadillacs have 'em. Other than that you're right that would be a nice option.

Roush GT · 09-28-2007, 06:06 PM

HID's are an option on 2008 Mustangs

notsoaveragej0e · 09-28-2007, 07:23 PM

Maybe too expensive for your average owner to maintain I would guess...

crazypontiac03 · 09-28-2007, 08:29 PM

Whats there to maintain? Aren't they suppose to last longer then your standard set-up.

Panacea · 09-28-2007, 10:00 PM

I've wondered the same thing. I know GM developed a "new" technology that was supposed to allow halogens to be more efficient with their light output. They're just delaying the inevitable.

The standard price for replacement bulbs is around $80, if you were to buy them in the store or at the dealership, I believe they're around $100+. Most people would have a fit if they knew how much they cost.

Bryan · 09-28-2007, 10:32 PM

Yeah someone going into an auto supply store, not knowing about HIDs, needing a new bulb would probably go in the store with 10 bucks at hand then have a heartattack when they're told the price of a replacement.

HIDs take much longer than standard halogens to burn out though right?

Cliff8928 · 09-29-2007, 11:55 AM

My dad's '99 Q45 just had one of the HIDs burn out a couple months ago. That doesn't seem to bad to me. Although I've rarely had a halogen headlight go out either

notsoaveragej0e · 09-29-2007, 01:45 PM

HIDs last longer, but you have to be more careful with them. For example, no flash to pass. Cars with one set of bulbs for high and low (Grand Am) couldn't have that feature... Also, if the headlight has to be replaced due to front end accident, it's pretty expensive to replace the ballasts, projectors, etc.

XMBlackGT1 · 09-30-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by notsoaveragej0e

HIDs last longer, but you have to be more careful with them. For example, no flash to pass. Cars with one set of bulbs for high and low (Grand Am) couldn't have that feature... Also, if the headlight has to be replaced due to front end accident, it's pretty expensive to replace the ballasts, projectors, etc.

You can get Bi-Xenon's, which have a solenoid attached to the HID bulb. What it does is push the bulb forward in the housing when you switch over to bright and totally changes the light output. That is what I have installed in my GAGT and they are great. I love driving with them as the light output is outstanding. When I get into a car with halogen bulbs, they seem so dark and dim its almost hard to see with them.

I wish the American auto industry would start putting them into their cars. HID is 1 option that is an absolute must on my next car, so that knocks 80% of the American branded vehicles out of contention.

ryanbgb22 · 09-30-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by XMBlackGT1

You can get Bi-Xenon's, which have a solenoid attached to the HID bulb. What it does is push the bulb forward in the housing when you switch over to bright and totally changes the light output. That is what I have installed in my GAGT and they are great. I love driving with them as the light output is outstanding. When I get into a car with halogen bulbs, they seem so dark and dim its almost hard to see with them.

I wish the American auto industry would start putting them into their cars. HID is 1 option that is an absolute must on my next car, so that knocks 80% of the American branded vehicles out of contention.

You have bixenon, i didnt think anyone had those and i thought i was going to be the first. do you have any pics, and what projectors did you use?

XMBlackGT1 · 09-30-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanbgb22

You have bixenon, i didnt think anyone had those and i thought i was going to be the first. do you have any pics, and what projectors did you use?

I've had them since I bought the car in 2003. I purchased a CATZ 9007 BI Xenon kit and made it work. I'll get some pix when I get home from work tonite.

DrFabulous · 09-30-2007, 11:54 AM

Why does not having HIDs rule a car out? I bought very nice HIDs to install in my 6 for under $200 and they look amazing

Cliff8928 · 09-30-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by notsoaveragej0e

HIDs last longer, but you have to be more careful with them. For example, no flash to pass. Cars with one set of bulbs for high and low (Grand Am) couldn't have that feature... Also, if the headlight has to be replaced due to front end accident, it's pretty expensive to replace the ballasts, projectors, etc.

You just wire up the low beams to stay on even when the Hi beams are on. That's how I did it in my mom's denali. I haven't done it yet in the Alero, and i still have no problems with them. Only one has burnt out and that bulb was really old (was in a truck before i got the car).

XMBlackGT1 · 10-01-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DrFabulous

Why does not having HIDs rule a car out? I bought very nice HIDs to install in my 6 for under $200 and they look amazing

Because most cars that come with halogen bulbs do not have projector headlamps. I know that some do, such as the Mazda 6 and the Toyota Solara- I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of any at this point. The light output with HID's and projectors is amazing and in my opinion, the only way to go. I guess I'd rather just buy a car with them installed from the factory. In the 2 door coupe market, they are getting fewer and fewer though...

Mirage85 · 10-01-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanbgb22

You have bixenon, i didnt think anyone had those and i thought i was going to be the first. do you have any pics, and what projectors did you use?

I have had Bi-xenon for over a year as well. I dont have a retrofit projector setup, just a 9007 setup...

DrFabulous · 10-01-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by XMBlackGT1

Because most cars that come with halogen bulbs do not have projector headlamps. I know that some do, such as the Mazda 6 and the Toyota Solara- I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of any at this point. The light output with HID's and projectors is amazing and in my opinion, the only way to go. I guess I'd rather just buy a car with them installed from the factory. In the 2 door coupe market, they are getting fewer and fewer though...

There is much thruth in your statement. Having projectors did make HIDs a more attractive option for me after I bought my 6.

I just can't imagine totally ruling out a car cause of the headlights. You can always retrofit, even though that costs a lot generally.

XMBlackGT1 · 10-01-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DrFabulous

There is much thruth in your statement. Having projectors did make HIDs a more attractive option for me after I bought my 6.

I just can't imagine totally ruling out a car cause of the headlights. You can always retrofit, even though that costs a lot generally.

Retrofitting also elimaintes the option of the factory manual levelizing system and the AFS system that a lot of new cars are coming with.

AFS is Adaptive Front Lighting System- so basically the projectors will move with the motion of the car in turns to make sure the road ahead of you is being lit and not the side of the road.

ryanbgb22 · 10-01-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirage85

I have had Bi-xenon for over a year as well. I dont have a retrofit projector setup, just a 9007 setup...

so how exactly does this work. Or are you just talking about having 2 bulbs....because yea, then i have that too.

09-26-2007, 10:26 PM	#1
crazypontiac03 MiDnIgHt AKA: Jason/Sparky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: IL Age: 37 Posts: 3,019 Vehicle: 2008 HHR/05 Galant	American HIDs I've been wondering for the past few year's why the Hell Hasn't Ford,GM,Dodge produced any New "Body Style" With atleast the option of HID's? Christ even Mazda and Nissan have that option. What's the Deal? It couldn't Cost all the much more to replace projector's with HID's. __________________ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if it wasn't for FORD's our tools would rust! "Unions were the rise and will be the fall of this Great Nation" "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. -Tony Blair

09-26-2007, 10:43 PM	#3
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09-28-2007, 06:06 PM	#4
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09-28-2007, 07:23 PM	#5
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09-28-2007, 08:29 PM	#6
crazypontiac03 MiDnIgHt AKA: Jason/Sparky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: IL Age: 37 Posts: 3,019 Vehicle: 2008 HHR/05 Galant	Whats there to maintain? Aren't they suppose to last longer then your standard set-up. __________________ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if it wasn't for FORD's our tools would rust! "Unions were the rise and will be the fall of this Great Nation" "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. -Tony Blair

09-28-2007, 10:00 PM	#7
Panacea Mmmm Donuts. AKA: Macleod52 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rock Island, IL Age: 40 Posts: 3,160 Vehicle: '09 Malibu LTZ	I've wondered the same thing. I know GM developed a "new" technology that was supposed to allow halogens to be more efficient with their light output. They're just delaying the inevitable. The standard price for replacement bulbs is around $80, if you were to buy them in the store or at the dealership, I believe they're around $100+. Most people would have a fit if they knew how much they cost. __________________ "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

09-28-2007, 10:32 PM	#8
Bryan GAGT - Junkie AKA: Bryan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Age: 32 Posts: 4,269 Vehicle: '09.5 G6	Yeah someone going into an auto supply store, not knowing about HIDs, needing a new bulb would probably go in the store with 10 bucks at hand then have a heartattack when they're told the price of a replacement. HIDs take much longer than standard halogens to burn out though right? __________________ CarDomain (Updated 10/9)

09-29-2007, 11:55 AM	#9
Cliff8928 GAGT - Member AKA: Cliff Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Long Grove, IL Posts: 232 Vehicle: 2004 Alero GX Sport	My dad's '99 Q45 just had one of the HIDs burn out a couple months ago. That doesn't seem to bad to me. Although I've rarely had a halogen headlight go out either __________________ Cliff Scott '04 Alero GX - Ecotec - 5-speed -- '89 Beretta GT - 3400 - 5-speed w/torsen '91 MB 300SL - 5-speed -- '06 STS-V Supercharged

09-29-2007, 01:45 PM	#10
notsoaveragej0e Causes a ruckus AKA: Joe Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Detroit, MI Age: 34 Posts: 5,011 Vehicle: Maligoat	HIDs last longer, but you have to be more careful with them. For example, no flash to pass. Cars with one set of bulbs for high and low (Grand Am) couldn't have that feature... Also, if the headlight has to be replaced due to front end accident, it's pretty expensive to replace the ballasts, projectors, etc. __________________

09-30-2007, 11:54 AM	#14
DrFabulous FIGJAM AKA: Matt Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,675 Vehicle: Acura\|Chevy\|Porsche	Why does not having HIDs rule a car out? I bought very nice HIDs to install in my 6 for under $200 and they look amazing __________________ '18 Acura MDX Kid hauler '15 Chevrolet Tahoe Toy Hauler '01 Porsche Boxster Project

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