Cam installer

[lvemy3100]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

You say you aren't gonna start something... but you just did. No, it hasn't been proven. It's only been discussed on 60degreev6.com and the only source thats been quoted was ONE article that Ben found from crane and it was the first time even he had ever heard of it. And it's more than one person with milzy's cam. NO ONE with a billet cam has yet had an oil pump drive gear failure. You can argue it all you want but you're wrong. I actually have one of the billet cams, so naturally I was pretty concerned about this issue and I did research it. No one has determined yet if the stock gear is hardened or not from the factory. Most of the engines that crane deals with and they "recommend" replacing the gear on are older V8 engines that did not use hardened gears from the factory.

so your arguement is that since it (thankfully) hasnt happend yet I must be wrong and you are gonna try to call me out on this...

seriously guy get off your high horse.. I know you spent alot of money on your GA but that really doesnt mean a thing when it comes to who knows more about what... as usual I stand by what I have said and I am done helping you jack this thread as well as replying to your posts



sorry about that silvergtjrad

[silvergtjrad]

No biggie on the thread jack. There is obviously some contraversy over installing the bronze gear. Seeing that nobody is sure if the stock gear is hardened or not, and there has yet to be a failure, Im not going to bother putting it in. There are others who have had their cams in for a while now and its likely it will fail for them before me. In that case, it wouldnt be THAT big of a deal to open the engine back up and change it.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

No, its not the first time I have ever heard of needing a bronze gear for a billet cam. It is the first time I have heard of melonized gears. The gen 3 gear looks different than my 3.4 DOHC gear so I would "assume' the gen 3 is melonized but I don't know for sure. If I had a billet cam, I would have a stock gear tested to verify what it is and if its safe. You own one, so for your sake I hope its melonized.

My bad. I remembered there was something in there that had been new info to you. My whole point is that it was never decided whether or not the bronze gear was required 100%, and until someone comes up with some more information about the stock gear or people start having failures... the need to change the gear is completely up to the judgement of the end user. It's not absolutely required as Mark seems to think.

[Sprucegagt]

Jared, If your going to run a 1615 regrind then I wouldn't worry about the oil pump gear. Just change the "O" ring on it and call it a day. That's all I plan to do with my 1280 regrind.

[silvergtjrad]

Originally Posted by Sprucegagt

Jared, If your going to run a 1615 regrind then I wouldn't worry about the oil pump gear. Just change the "O" ring on it and call it a day. That's all I plan to do with my 1280 regrind.

Thats all im planning on doing anyway

500th post BTW

[silvergtjrad]

Parts are starting to come in. Anyone else have any suggestions?

[MilzyZ34]

That is true Aaron, we haven't had one single failure.

[silvergtjrad]

Wellllll..... everything came in today and now ive got to decide on what im going to do as far as install. Reground cam in the 1615 grind, comp cams 26986 springs, comp cams locks and retainers, and custom length pushrods. Yum



Im not sure how much further im going to take the car after this. Its definitely going to stay N/A with some spray for the occasional race or for the track. Id like to upgrade to some ported 3500 heads, but I just swapped them not even 3k ago. Id also like to get some higher compression pistons to bring it up in the neighborhood of 11.5:1.

Any other offers or suggestions for an installer?

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by silvergtjrad

Wellllll..... everything came in today and now ive got to decide on what im going to do as far as install. Reground cam in the 1615 grind, comp cams 26986 springs, comp cams locks and retainers, and custom length pushrods. Yum



Im not sure how much further im going to take the car after this. Its definitely going to stay N/A with some spray for the occasional race or for the track. Id like to upgrade to some ported 3500 heads, but I just swapped them not even 3k ago. Id also like to get some higher compression pistons to bring it up in the neighborhood of 11.5:1.

Any other offers or suggestions for an installer?

if you don't mind traveling to Dayton, I've installed a few cams in my day

[silvergtjrad]

What do you charge? That would be quite a trip.

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by silvergtjrad

What do you charge? That would be quite a trip.

prices can be found on the services page of my website ...

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/Installation.htm

[Vegeta]

You sure you can do it this time without calling me or claiming the cam won't work?

[silvergtjrad]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

You sure you can do it this time without calling me or claiming the cam won't work?

Im not driving all the way out there anyways. Its 5+ hours. Hey ben would you be up for an install?

[Vegeta]

Sorry, I don't have anywhere to do that kind of work.

[silvergtjrad]

No problem, just asking.

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

You sure you can do it this time without calling me or claiming the cam won't work?

You sold a .530" lift cam to a customer who's heads are clearanced for .500" lift. Then my customer told me he talked to you and said that you told him to just use shorter pushrods, and everything would be fine. Go figure, I called to verify if you said that or not.

[silvergtjrad]

Am I going to have clearance issues? Ive got stock 3500 heads right now and Ive got the 1615 grind cam.

[Vegeta]

You won't have any problem with those springs and that cam.

Mike, you didn't ask me if I told him to use shorter pushrods. In fact, that wasn't even what I said. I told him that with the hydraulic lifters we have, you aren't going to get the full lift out of the cam anyway. If you did, we would be setting lash with the rocker arms that would be adjustable for such a setup.

You also told the customer that a 94-99 cam won't work in a 2000 and newer motor. So tell me, how is that working out for you. You sell cams, so are they all different sensor triggers based on year now?

You can call those heads clearanced for .500 lift all you want. There are at least a dozen LS6 spring setups with unmodified spring pockets running over .500 lift.

[MilzyZ34]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

You won't have any problem with those springs and that cam.

Mike, you didn't ask me if I told him to use shorter pushrods. In fact, that wasn't even what I said. I told him that with the hydraulic lifters we have, you aren't going to get the full lift out of the cam anyway. If you did, we would be setting lash with the rocker arms that would be adjustable for such a setup.

You also told the customer that a 94-99 cam won't work in a 2000 and newer motor. So tell me, how is that working out for you. You sell cams, so are they all different sensor triggers based on year now?

You can call those heads clearanced for .500 lift all you want. There are at least a dozen LS6 spring setups with unmodified spring pockets running over .500 lift.

I understand how hydraulic lifters work. I just prefer to allow a certain amount of clearance to avoid piston-valve contact. If someone prefers to have a tighter clearance, that's up to them.

I'm pretty sure I said that I hadn't used a 94-99 reluctor in an 03 car, so I didn't know if it would work properly without switching cam sensors. Then I explained that I used a 03+ reluctor on mine, and that worked great b/c I could use an 03+ sensor on an 03+ car, a 00-02 sensor on a 00-02 car, and then the only ones I had to change was to use a 00-02 sensor on a 94-99 car. So I cut his wiring harness and spliced in a 94-99 cam sensor connector.

[Vegeta]

Originally Posted by MilzyZ34

I understand how hydraulic lifters work. I just prefer to allow a certain amount of clearance to avoid piston-valve contact. If someone prefers to have a tighter clearance, that's up to them.

I wish I knew what the hell you were talking about right there. Clearance? piston to valve contact? None of that makes a bit of sense to me when talking about hydraulic lifters.