$50 for 2008 challenge

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by DrFabulous

God I love friendly competition. I'll throw in $25.


Maybe have a Moderator make a paypal so everyone can send their money in, and then the winner can get the money from the Mod? Make sure no fools back out!

That's actually a great idea. I would prefer it if the admin setup a lil side paypal account or uses his own and doesn't touch it until it happens.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by timberwoof

Quick question Spy... Is this with full interior or without? I know you are doing it with full, but what about the rest?

Interesting that you should so ask such a question. Looks like we'll have to add one more small detail to the rules and regs.

By many sanctioning bodies we are technically allowed to race in NHRA Sport Compact, and that it would be a major feat to get into the 12's all motor. We're going to institute some NHRA Sport FWD rules to clarify things on gutting the **** out of the car.

Minimum Weights
FWD 4-cylinder (1 power adder): 2,400 pounds
FWD 4-cylinder (2 power adders): 2,500 pounds
FWD 5-, 6-cylinder (1 power adder): 2,500 pounds
FWD 5-, 6-cylinder (2 power adders): 2,600 pounds

INTERIOR:
Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc.
mandatory. Rear seat may be removed. Two matching front seats
mandatory. Aftermarket seats permitted, but must be fully
upholstered. All factory controls must be retained and operative;
i.e., lights, signals, horn, windows, and wipers.

EXHAUST:
All exhaust must flow through functioning muffler(s); must exit
behind rear tires. Any vehicle that did not come equipped with a
muffler(s) from the factory permitted, provided complete,
unmodified (except for header) OEM exhaust system is utilized.

NITROUS OXIDE:
Commercially available nitrous oxide permitted, including for
supercharged and turbocharged engines. Nitrous bottle(s) in driver
compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and vented
outside of driver’s compartment. Bottle(s) must be stamped with a
DOT-1800-pound rating and permanently mounted (no hose
clamps or tie wraps). Hoses from bottle(s) to solenoid must be
high-pressure steel-braided or NHRA-accepted hoses.
Commercially available, thermostatically controlled, blanket-type
warmer accepted. Any other external heating of bottle(s)
prohibited. See General Regulations 1:9.
SUPERCHARGER, TURBOCHARGER:
Permitted. Restricted to a single turbocharger. Turbocharger must
utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a
T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller but may
never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction. Limited to a
maximum 72mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing
inducer diameter is 72.78mm, measured at the point where the
leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. K Series
engines limited to a maximum 66mm turbo, where the maximum
compressor inducer diameter is 67.37mm, measured at the point
where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the
housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this
value, and contours of wheel must not be “stepped, notched, or
clipped”; e.g., the contours must be continuous features from the
inducer to the wheel exducer. Exotic material wheels prohibited.

TIRES:
DOT or racing slicks permitted with a maximum width of 9.0 inches
and maximum height of 25.0 inches. Racing slicks must be NHRAaccepted
and appear on the following list. Retreads, space-saver
spares, or any other non-DOT-approved tire prohibited.

FIREWALL:
Complete OEM firewall mandatory. Mini-tubbing prohibited. See
General Regulations 6:1, 7:4.
FLOOR:
OEM floorpan, front to rear, mandatory.
STREET EQUIPMENT:
Windshield wipers mandatory. Complete headlight and taillight
assemblies (all) mandatory; must be operative.
WINDSHIELD/WINDOWS:
Complete OEM windshield and windows mandatory. Windows must
be operative per factory specifications.

Okay guys, those are some of the NHRA Sport FWD rules. For sake of being clear and making it easy should we add some of these? or just say if you're trying to win our cash follow the NHRA Sport FWD rules?? Input kids.

[DrFabulous]

I'd say follow the NHRA rules, makes it clear to everyone.

[bszopi]

Ok, here you go guys...

EDIT - see down 3 posts for the website, with a DONATE link to the PayPal Account

It is a dedicated PayPal account for this. It is NOT verified, therefore it is NOT tied to my bank account at all. When all is said and done, I may have to verify to in order to send the money. I am also willing to set up a website for this, basically to lay out all the rules and whatever else. Or, we can just keep it in this thread. Doesn't matter to me. But that option is out there if you guys want it. I'm not saying it will be anything fancy. Hell, it might just be a single page stating what the challenge is about, the rules for the challenge and the current money in the pot.

[DrFabulous]

^^ That sounds like a good plan, just a simple single page with the rules and the current pot, along with the e-mail for donations.

[Vegeta]

This is open to the 2.2 and 2.4 owners as well so hopefully the 60degreev6.com portion doesn't confuse people. I will go ahead and send my $50 to that account though and you can deal with it from there:P

[bszopi]

http://www.2008challenge.info

If anyone wants to throw together a design, let me know and I can get it up. Just leave me a place to insert the Paypal donation button.

[Rosado]

Spy I know you said it on the first page but make it VERY clear..

I would say to your rules. PICTURES ARE A MUST OF THE FOLLOWING AND VIDEO

Tires ( DOT or NHRA approved)
Times slips
Motor comparment ( To make sure everything is where its suppose to be)
inside the car
AND A MUST::: A FULL VEDIO CLIP FROM THE BURN OUT TO THE END OF THE 1/4MILE WITH THE TIME SHOWN ON THE BOARD

Just like you vid spy

Oh and must wave the middle finger as he goes by LOL << That would be funny hahahah


ALSO UPDATE THE FIRST PAGE WITH ALL THE RULES OR A LINK TO THE RULES. NO CONFUSION AT ALL. Some peple are lazy to read.

[DrFabulous]

Money sent. Who is taking ownership of this in case there is a dispute? No offence Spy, but since you're in the running, it should be someone else.

[bszopi]

Seeing as I am the one receiving the money, AND I can't compete in the competition (since I own a Beretta... although we do own a 2.2L Alero... hmmm), I would say I am taking ownership of it. I think enough people around here know me that it shouldn't be an issue.

[bszopi]

Ok, I just looked at the PayPal account since Ben and Matt mentioned they had sent money. Since I signed up for a Premier account (in case anyone decided to pay with a CC), I get charged a slight fee for every transaction. So the grand total in the end will reflect that. I will keep the website updated (once it gets designed) with the ACTUAL total in the account, so everyone knows the prize amount.

Just for informational purposes, the fees are as follows:

$25 yields a $1.03 fee, therefore final donation is $23.97
$50 yields a $1.75 fee, therefore final donation is $48.25

So, as it stands right now, we are at $72.22 in the pot.

[Ajaxus]

my money is in the pot

[Rosado]

00 GT transmisson

Tranny upgrade can be done without downtime.

[Vegeta]

Trans upgrade? I don't see that one helping anyone run 12s.

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by bszopi

......So, as it stands right now, we are at $72.22 in the pot.

Donation sent....

[SikMindz]

Originally Posted by bszopi

http://www.2008challenge.info

If anyone wants to throw together a design, let me know and I can get it up. Just leave me a place to insert the Paypal donation button.

I'll take a stab at it when I get a chance.

Originally Posted by bszopi

Ok, I just looked at the PayPal account since Ben and Matt mentioned they had sent money. Since I signed up for a Premier account (in case anyone decided to pay with a CC), I get charged a slight fee for every transaction. So the grand total in the end will reflect that. I will keep the website updated (once it gets designed) with the ACTUAL total in the account, so everyone knows the prize amount.

Just for informational purposes, the fees are as follows:

$25 yields a $1.03 fee, therefore final donation is $23.97
$50 yields a $1.75 fee, therefore final donation is $48.25

So, as it stands right now, we are at $72.22 in the pot.

Originally Posted by AleroB888

Donation sent....

Ditto. Pot at $130.47

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

Trans upgrade? I don't see that one helping anyone run 12s.

surely you cant run 12's on a stock transmission.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by Rich

surely you cant run 12's on a stock transmission.

been there done that.

[SpyhunteR]

money has been paypallllllllld...

I'll make up the list for the rules.................


I'll make a new post in a few minutes with what it seems like to be the general consensus. If there any disputes of the rules after I post them, we'll work it out. be back in 45min.

[SpyhunteR]

Here's what I got so far, check it over, most all the rules are from the SPORT FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CLASS with some additions regarding specifics to us. If I miss anything or if there are questions, revisions needed please make a reply quoting the section of the rules I rough drafted together.

The following rules below loosely follow the NHRA Sport Compact SPORT

FRONT WHEEL DRIVE requirements..

(sport front wheel drive rules slightly modified for pizazz)

The Grand Am GT DOT COM 2008 Challenge CLASS REQUIREMENTS!

Designed for grandamgt.com forum members who have been apart of the

community since at least 2007.

This is for 1996+ N-body chassis, full-bodied, "street legal cars, valid

DOT registration and license plates mandatory.

MINIMUMM WEIGHTS

FWD 4-cylinder (1 power adder): 2,400 pounds
FWD 4-cylinder (2 power adders): 2,500 pounds
FWD 5-, 6-cylinder (1 power adder): 2,500 pounds
FWD 5-, 6-cylinder (2 power adders): 2,600 pounds
All weights include driver,

ENGINE:
Engine swaps permitted, however, OEM engine mounting points must be

utilized. Engine hybrids allowed i.e. 2.4L LD9 block w/ 2.3 quad 4 head.

MUST UTILIZE ENGINE BLOCK available in a 1996+ n-body!!!! No exceptions.
Maximum two power adders. Redundant power adders such as duel stage

nitrous system, counted as one power adder. Dry sump or external oil pumps

prohibited unless OEM equipped and engine is using complete OEM oiling.

(do you guys really want this? Exhaust rule?)
EXHAUST:
All exhaust must flow through FUNCTIONING MUFFLER(S) must exit behind rear

tires.

FUEL:
NHRA-accepted race gasoline permitted.

FUEL SYSTEM:
Fuel cell prohibited. OEM fuel tank mandatory.

NITROUS: GO GO GO!

SUPERCHARGER/TURBOCHARGER:
Permitted

If intercooler is cooled with nitrous or CO2, it will be counted as second

power adder and cannot be used in engine. Juice or cool your choice but it

is a power adder.

In NHRA Sport FWD racing type screw superchargers are prohibited, up to you

guys, keep it prohibited? or go go go?

BRAKES: no carbon fiber rotors

STEERING: OEM steering

SUSPENSION:
FRONT: traction bars ok, must be bolt on only, not welded to frame.
REAR: 1inch shock travel MINIMUM! Wheelie bars not allowed.

BALLAST: If you're underweight and need it, get it.

CHASSIS: Anybody who so happens to run 11.49, you better have NHRA approved

roll bar, or you're not winning ****. (i guess that's for me and schweppe

if he decides to join the fray)

TIRES: DOT or racing slicks are allowed with a maximum width of 9.0inches

and a maximum height of 25.0 inches.

Wheels: minimum 15inch, spindle mount go to hell!

INTERIOR: Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner,

etc.
mandatory. Rear seat may be removed. Two matching front seats
mandatory. Aftermarket seats permitted, but must be fully
upholstered. All factory controls must be retained and operative;
i.e., lights, signals, horn, windows, and wipers.

BODY: Mild customizing and body kits permitted, but must retain fullbodied
appearance, with minimum two functional doors. Chopped
roofs prohibited. Hood scoops or openings permitted. Doors must open and

close from
inside and outside. Windshield and all windows must retain OEM
safety glass.
Lightweight body panels limited to hood, fenders, and deck lid.
Aftermarket body kits permitted, but full street-legal appearance
must be maintained. One-piece aftermarket front end prohibited.

FIREWALL:
Complete OEM firewall mandatory. Mini-tubbing prohibited. See
General Regulations 6:1, 7:4.
FLOOR:
OEM floorpan, front to rear, mandatory.
STREET EQUIPMENT:
Windshield wipers mandatory. Complete headlight and taillight
assemblies (all) mandatory; must be operative.
WINDSHIELD/WINDOWS:
Complete OEM windshield and windows mandatory. Windows must
be operative per factory specifications

Batteries must be securely mounted; may not be located in driver
compartment unless sealed off per General Regulations. OEM 12-
volt system mandatory. 16-volt batteries/electrical system
prohibited. See General Regulations 8:1.
IGNITION:
Two steps, rev limiters, etc. permitted. See General Regulations



THIS FINAL PART ARE FOR YOUR CONTINGENCY, REWARD FOR HITTING 12'S THE

FOLLOWING IS THE REQUIREMENTS TO CLAIM YOUR PRIZE.

one video from burnout to the end of the track with time showing on the

board that your car ran 12's. accompanied with video you must as driver

show your slip with your car saying something about GrandAmGT.com

two scanned slips showing your vid ran time, and your back up time for

consistancy

picture OR video of car, showing the wheels you used, the tires, the engine

bay, interior, etc, so that we all can see that you followed the rules.

remember can be either via photos or video your choice.

FINALLY remember the rules on your car are based off of NHRA Sport Compact

series SPORT FWD CLASS. Check 'em out it's very easy to follow. NOT COMPLEX

AT ALL, if you have questions please ask the people that race on the

forums, and in the 2008 Challenge post.

BRING IT BOYS!