$50 for 2008 challenge

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

Your assumptions are making me lose interest. I don't even know why we are bothering with this democracy ****. Spy, make the rules. No questions asked. I don't care what they are (i would prefer less cause I am not reading the list we have now).

Now that we are finished bitching about rules...how about some of you get more companies involved. Who makes 4 cylinder parts? You have a couple of months to make this a success. Right now its a good start but nothing too exciting.

Personally I say just go with NHRA sport compact Sport FWD rules. they're not exotic or anything they just keep things honest. My car fits in their rules EASILY! and then some. It's only a 12.9, let people run whatever turbo or supercharger or nitrous setup they want, and then just simply follow the rest of the rules. What i posted was basically cutting and pasting the most relevant of the rules. It's quite basic.

[Vegeta]

Sounds good. When they repeat, can a 12.9 be repeated by a 13.1 or do both have to be within .2 in the 12s?

[silvergtjrad]

Is this contest already going, or is there a start time for it. Not all of us can make it to the track over the winter months. There is roughly a month left when tracks are still open and then everything is closed until at least march.

[Rich]

starts january 1st, 2008. ends december 31st, 2008.

youll have time.

[tejohnson]

My point is, I don't care about the rules. If Milzy steps up and wins it by by shipping his car to where he can race in January, fine. Folks in the Grand Prix community are getting into the 9's and the Grand Am community may never make it there due to the lack of competition. Oh, and I did put money up, and I may likely put more in.

Honestly, I do intend to win, but all the last second rules seems as if I will have to spend a decent amount of cash to change things. Regardless, I will be in the 12's this upcoming year. If I don't with this due to a technicality, then "oh well".

[bszopi]

When we were putting something together a few years ago for the 60V6 community (which died after a few months), the main stipulation was weight. Honestly, I could care less what the car looks like inside and out. You can strip it all you like, but you are still required to meet a minimum weight. And I'm not sure taking the weight limits from the NHRA rule book is the place to start. Take the currently fastest car here (Spy), subtract 100lbs and start from there. He has 1 power adder (I think), so the baseline would be Spy's weight minus 200lbs. That should level the playing field pretty easily.

As far as some of the other rules... I just don't see the exhaust rules really being required. Who cares where the exhaust exits the car, or if the person is running a cutout or not. Same goes with the body panels and such. If you set a weight limit, there really isn't much that is going to be able to be accomplished at still meet the minimum weight. If someone decided to gut the car completely, and then ballast around the front wheels for traction, then so be it. That person is thinking "outside the box" and therefore has a competitive advantage. Also, the majority of the people who will be competing in this competition aren't going to convert their car into a full-out race car. Mike is a possible exception, since he is already going that route.

I'll see if I can't find some time to read through some of the rules posts and throw something together for people to ponder.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by bszopi

I'll see if I can't find some time to read through some of the rules posts and throw something together for people to ponder.

Please do.

If you guys are all agreeing about the exhaust should be anything goes, than so be it. The NHRA weight rules, are pretty fair, I'm not even making minimum weight for that.

To the people that are interior gut happy, how about we do it this way. Anything frome the B-pillar back can be torn the **** out?

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

the plethora of rules are for a fully legit street class. why is everybody crying about not being able to turn their cars into gutted ****boxes? street legal is a term that can be seen very differently depending on the part of the country you're talking about.

street legal in the bible belt can mean no cats, no exhaust, whereas everywhere else in civilization designates street legal as cats and mufflers..

whereas in the rules all I'm asking for is a muffler.

A fully legit street car is also a term that can be seen in many ways. Some people don't mind driving around with roll cages but I wouldn't call that a pure street car. A lot of people are removing the A/C too, but IMO you are removing factory equipment that is meant for a true "street car" purely for the purposes of making it faster (ie racing), and therefore shifting the focus from street driving. Removing A/C, or interior parts, or a whole bunch of tricks, are part of that ingenuity you mentioned that makes it possible to go faster. If all you are looking for is to hit a time, you should be allowed to do anything to your car that you are comfortable with.

As Todd put it, the people in the GP community are running 9's, while we are still much slower. I'd like to point out of course that those 9 sec cars are full race cars and not street-able or street legal. The GP's that are true street cars and not undependable and quirky as hell are running a full 2-3 seconds slower. Personally I like to keep my car well rounded. If I do that and never run a 12 sec ET, I don't really care. If someone wants to run a 12 that bad though and decides to take an extreme or unorthodox method to do it, they shouldn't be disqualified from your little competition because they decided to do it a different way than you. As you said it's time for people to step up their game, so let them do whatever they want I say!

[silvergtjrad]

Another stipulation, if it hasnt been mentioned already. In order to win the prize you must put a minimum of $50 into the pot.

[Vegeta]

I don't like that idea.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by silvergtjrad

Another stipulation, if it hasnt been mentioned already. In order to win the prize you must put a minimum of $50 into the pot.

here's the thing.. originally I put up the initial $50 to whoever can hit 12's... so it doesn't matter if you put in cash or if you don't... if you do put in cash, you're just putting your money where your mouf is.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

A fully legit street car is also a term that can be seen in many ways. Some people don't mind driving around with roll cages but I wouldn't call that a pure street car. A lot of people are removing the A/C too, but IMO you are removing factory equipment that is meant for a true "street car" purely for the purposes of making it faster (ie racing), and therefore shifting the focus from street driving. Removing A/C, or interior parts, or a whole bunch of tricks, are part of that ingenuity you mentioned that makes it possible to go faster. If all you are looking for is to hit a time, you should be allowed to do anything to your car that you are comfortable with.

As Todd put it, the people in the GP community are running 9's, while we are still much slower. I'd like to point out of course that those 9 sec cars are full race cars and not street-able or street legal. The GP's that are true street cars and not undependable and quirky as hell are running a full 2-3 seconds slower. Personally I like to keep my car well rounded. If I do that and never run a 12 sec ET, I don't really care. If someone wants to run a 12 that bad though and decides to take an extreme or unorthodox method to do it, they shouldn't be disqualified from your little competition because they decided to do it a different way than you. As you said it's time for people to step up their game, so let them do whatever they want I say!

you forget it IS my game. everybody else agreed it was a good idea. you are not competing. the rules I set forth are not impossible or even extraordinary. they're quite basic and most every single rule can be followed without bitching and complaining.

i guess it just means in the grand am community the there's no replacement for displacement chit chat is b/s. when you see cobalts in street trim running mid 10's, fully battle clad driven 500+ miles civic hatches and coupes running anywhere from 9's to low 11's with blown motors under 2.4L's, 3000+lb all modifications involved ONLY involving engine EVOs and scoobies running 10's... and all this talk of the 3.4 being big dog status (but nobody really going balls out) ..........and dont' give me this **** about, oh those motors have so much backing. the guys that take it to the next level, tend to use one off ****, not off the shelf ****. building a stout high power motor is building a stout high power motor.


dude *smallest fiddle ever*.................................



ANYBODY ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING THE CASH AND THE GLORY GET TO WORK, THOSE OF YOU WHO BITCH AND WHINE AND DON'T INTEND TO COMPETE AND INSTEAD WANT A "WELL ROUNDED CARPET QUEEN", AS YOU WERE.

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by SpyhunteR

when you see cobalts in street trim running mid 10's, fully battle clad driven 500+ miles civic hatches and coupes running anywhere from 9's to low 11's with blown motors under 2.4L's, 3000+lb all modifications involved ONLY involving engine EVOs and scoobies running 10's...

Apples to oranges dude. Comparing them is stupid... you aren't really that stupid are you? And actually, a lot of evo's and subaru's can run tens with off the shelf parts, not custom. I do read up on other cars. You can't compare what someone else is doing though with a totally different drive train, chassis, and engine design.

ANYBODY ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING THE CASH AND THE GLORY GET TO WORK, THOSE OF YOU WHO BITCH AND WHINE AND DON'T INTEND TO COMPETE AND INSTEAD WANT A "WELL ROUNDED CARPET QUEEN", AS YOU WERE.

Eat my balls **** face. My car has never been a carpet queen. It's a street car period, and is better than your car in every aspect except a straight line. Take your all go no corner big turbo four banger to a road track or autocross course some day and then come talk to me about well rounded carpet queens.

[alerohack]

Not to be a **** or anything Aaron, but this is a competition for those in the quarter mile. This isn't AutoX. This is for making a GA/Alero fast, not for taking a 90* turn at over 40 mph.

[BlackJack]

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

Hopefully someone will step up. Won't be me though.

Originally Posted by AaronGTR

I'm not competing for this so I don't really care.

jeez....if you're putting up money, or competing for the prize, by all means, put in your two cents, if not, then let the big boys hash this out and stfu.

Originally Posted by alerohack

Not to be a **** or anything Aaron, but this is a competition for those in the quarter mile. This isn't AutoX. This is for making a GA/Alero fast, not for taking a 90* turn at over 40 mph.

by all means, be a ****, I think it's warranted at this point.

For the rest of you, best of luck, and if we get more people into the 12's as a result, I call that a win for the whole community.

[tejohnson]

Originally Posted by BlackJack

For the rest of you, best of luck, and if we get more people into the 12's as a result, I call that a win for the whole community.

You need to get your **** together and running already. You ever going to send me your calibration info or what?!?

[BlackJack]

Originally Posted by tejohnson

You need to get your **** together and running already. You ever going to send me your calibration info or what?!?

yeah, but you gotta remind me what calibration info I'm sending you. My memory span on my "things to do" list is about 30 minutes max

[AaronGTR]

Originally Posted by BlackJack

jeez....if you're putting up money, or competing for the prize, by all means, put in your two cents, if not, then let the big boys hash this out and stfu.



by all means, be a ****, I think it's warranted at this point.

For the rest of you, best of luck, and if we get more people into the 12's as a result, I call that a win for the whole community.

Ya know that's a good idea. I think I will put money up. My problem with this whole thing is after a lot of people other than spy started putting money up for grabs (including our sponsors) this stopped being just Spy's little competition as he put it. Yet he seems to think he's the only one with anything to say about it. You haven't been around here long enough to know, but spy likes to talk a lot of **** about v6's and it irritates some people. So here's what I'll do. I'll throw $50 into the pot for the first new person to run a 12 sec ET in a 99+ n-body. I don't care how you do it as long as you can prove it.... but it's gotta be a V6! Just to shut spy up. And if you can beat spy's best time and take over top dog spot on this site... I'll throw in another $50. How's that.

[BlackJack]

I know how spy is about V6's. even though I may not have spoken up in this particular forum all that often, I do read it a little bit here and there...... and I find his **** talking to be nothing more than 2 things:

1) a friendly challenge to get the V6's to compete with him since he's currently fastest
2) inspire others with the 4-bangers not to feel that their cars can't be powerful.

I just wanna say thanks to you and everyone else that put into the pot. I dont necessarily expect to win it, I still have alot of work to do on a limited budget. But it is definitely inspiring to get people off their asses and make some progress.

[SpyhunteR]

Originally Posted by BlackJack

I know how spy is about V6's. even though I may not have spoken up in this particular forum all that often, I do read it a little bit here and there...... and I find his **** talking to be nothing more than 2 things:

1) a friendly challenge to get the V6's to compete with him since he's currently fastest
2) inspire others with the 4-bangers not to feel that their cars can't be powerful.

I just wanna say thanks to you and everyone else that put into the pot. I dont necessarily expect to win it, I still have alot of work to do on a limited budget. But it is definitely inspiring to get people off their asses and make some progress.

*hugs*